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Offline Nick2cd

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Any plans for wider dominos?
« on: January 28, 2012, 10:05 PM »
Regarding the 500....it has the capability to cut "exact size", +6 and +10mm mortises.  I would love to see Festool offer dominos that would fit these wider mortises.  are there any plans for this to happen?

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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 10:27 PM »
Hi Nick,

Welcome to the FOG!  [smile]

I don't think it is likely, but you never know.  You can make your own to fit though.


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Offline Kev

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 02:10 AM »
Wouldn't it be cool if Festool brought out a mini thicknesser that could also make exact domino profiles. They could call it ... wait for it ... the DOMINATOR  [big grin]

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 02:15 AM »
Wouldn't it be cool if Festool brought out a mini thicknesser that could also make exact domino profiles. They could call it ... wait for it ... the DOMINATOR  [big grin]

Funny I was thinking of that term in relation to a different Domino concept yesterday.   [smile]



I like your idea.

If it was built into a Systainer that had drop shoots in the bottom, it could refill the tenon Systainer while latched on top  ::)  [big grin]

Seth

Offline Deansocial

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 04:10 AM »
or a press to make your own and put glue grooves in

Offline Nick2cd

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 07:08 AM »
i like the way you guys think!

Offline woodguy7

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 07:56 AM »
Has anyone come up with a way to put grooves into home made Doms !
If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too

Offline dbworkshop

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 12:02 PM »
It's called a Nicholson rasp...

Offline Guy Ashley

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 12:27 PM »
I am going to do a thread later on making a set of large oak gates using the Domino XL and shop made oak tenons but I will put a few pics up to show how I make them. It works for me.

I plane up lengths of oak 1m long to the dimensions of the domino width required, in this case 70mm and with the domino cutter 14mm I thickness the domino tenon to 13.5m.

Then on the router table use an ovolo bit to round over the edges. This puts a slight groove on either shoulder.

Then using a V groove cutter in the router table I put a number of V grooves the full length (how many depends on the width of the tenon) to allow glue/air to flow.

Hope these pics help

47044-0

47046-1

47048-2

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« Last Edit: January 29, 2012, 12:30 PM by Guy Ashley »
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Offline Festoolfootstool

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 12:52 PM »
Mac oops  [embarassed] guy

I wonder what it would cost to have a cutter made which could put on the correct radius with the small grooves?

would be easier if you had a spindle moulder
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Offline Guy Ashley

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 01:09 PM »



Mac

I wonder what it would cost to have a cutter made which could put on the correct radius with the small grooves?

would be easier if you had a spindle moulder

Mac!! [eek] [eek]

 ;D ;D i have a toothed cutter for glue joints on the spindle moulder but I would be a bit cautious about putting small sections next to that big cutter head going at 8,000 rpm!!

The router table option is safest to me, the grooves are a bit bigger than a standard domino.

With the XL being such an amazing machine you can make any size tenons up and groove them as many times as you want.

New territory at the moment but perhaps some more ideas will come from this discussion.
 
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Offline woodguy7

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 01:19 PM »
Guy, like the stealth gloat showing off the router table  [tongue]
If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too

Offline Guy Ashley

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 01:26 PM »
Guy, like the stealth gloat showing off the router table  [tongue]

That was for Windmill John's benefit, you know he can resist anything but temptation!!! [drooling] [drooling]

Mmm, I have a sense of "Incoming flak" [scared] [scared]
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 01:37 PM »
Mmm, I have a sense of "Incoming flak" [scared] [scared]

No good deed goes unpunished... [big grin]

Offline windmill man

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 02:20 PM »
I am on the edge of my seat waiting for Guy`s up coming oak gates.

[popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

John

We wont discuss temptation OK?

Offline Rembo

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 02:28 PM »
Here is my method of manufacture. makes no sense to plow, the more it is oak.

Offline RL

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 05:09 PM »
Just curious, why the need to groove home-made dominoes? I know it's to help glue squeeze-out, but does anyone groove regular tenons?

Seems unnecessary to me.

(Now I'll go and put my flak jacket on.)

Offline woodguy7

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 06:32 PM »
Good point Richard.  For me when I make a mortise & tennon joint it has just enough slack to allow the tennon to push through with glue applied without leaving all the glue at the start of the mortise.

I think with Domino's they are so tight they have to have the grooves or the joint would be starved of glue.

Just my opinion & am also ready for the onslaught  ;D
If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 06:36 PM »
No flak.  I believe that the grooves are there to allow the domino to push all the way down into the mortise.  Like a relief valve.  It does help spread glue upwards thru the insertion action.

Peter

Offline Rembo

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 11:44 PM »
spike must be a member of the hand with a slight interference fit - this rule.
I catch just a tightness and not consider it necessary to make the groove.
is my opinion.

Offline Upscale

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 12:05 AM »
Has anyone come up with a way to put grooves into home made Doms !

Perhaps something along the lines of a dowel fluter device.
http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/229/drilling-jigs


Offline Guy Ashley

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 03:52 AM »
My rule of thumb has always been that if you can push fit tenon & mortice joints together by hand then there will be enough "wiggle room" to allow air to escape and for the glue to form a good thorough bond.

With the domino cutter being as precise and accurate as it is then the joint can be so tight that if you try and put the domino in without grooves then the air/glue cannot rise and it wont seat properly. Trying to get hand cut joints this tight is virtually impossible.

So with shop made Domino's I make them 0.5mm thinner and groove them. Some may disagree and will have other methods.

Its a fine call, you need to have a good firm fit but if you over do it then the joint will be as slack as a wizards sleeve and liable to failure especially with outdoor joinery subjected to all the seasonal changes and the associated stresses.

Like I said before this is early days and experimentation is on going and others may have better ideas.
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 05:15 PM »
"...joint will be as slack as a wizards sleeve..."

LOL, I can still hear "Borat" say that every time I read/hear that line.
My son used to walk around the house saying that line mimicking his accent...my wife was not impressed.
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Offline Steve R

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Re: Any plans for wider dominos?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 09:03 PM »
I should take more time reading the subject lines. 

I read "Wilder Dominos" and my mind raced to many things.... Dominos...on choppers, intimidating small towns.

Cheers,
Steve
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