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Offline Mark Enomoto

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Carvex for resawing?
« on: September 07, 2013, 05:05 PM »
Any chance we will see an attempt to resaw using a Carvex? Not talking about a log, but raw lumber. Would speak to the ability of the Carvex to cut vertically.

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Offline windmill man

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2013, 05:30 PM »
Who uses a jigsaw for re sawing [doh]

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2013, 05:50 PM »
Well if you need to resaw and you don't have a bandsaw.  Actually I did it with a TS55 once. It was a one time thing and needed a special set up of course.


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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2013, 06:11 PM »
I resaw with the TS at least once a week. Longest one was about 11', you do need some tapered shims to keep the clamps from closing the kerf when you helicopter the board.

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2013, 06:19 PM »
Have used the TS55 and 75 many times for re sawing ,you do have to be a bit careful with the 75 and use the right blade .

Offline Upscale

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2013, 08:06 PM »
Who uses a jigsaw for re sawing [doh]

Yeah, it does sound really out there doesn't it? But, you work with what you've got and if a jigsaw is it, done properly it might be possible.

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2013, 08:17 PM »
I resaw with the TS at least once a week. Longest one was about 11', you do need some tapered shims to keep the clamps from closing the kerf when you helicopter the board.

Tom


Yup . that is basically how I did it. But since that saw can plunge cut ( I used the anti- kick back stop) I simply left the board longer than needed, started and ended  with a plunge / unplunge. Leaving the ends uncut. That way the clamps can't close up on the kerf.

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2013, 09:45 PM »
Not sure this is a suitable application for a jigsaw personally.  [unsure]

Offline elimelech12

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2013, 09:56 PM »


I could see it as a possibility if the Carvex were mounted upside down under a table. Then you could attach a fence to the table as well. It seems very possible depending on the width of stock.
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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2013, 10:47 PM »
I could see it as a possibility if the Carvex were mounted upside down under a table. Then you could attach a fence to the table as well. It seems very possible depending on the width of stock.

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2013, 12:34 AM »
I could see it as a possibility if the Carvex were mounted upside down under a table. Then you could attach a fence to the table as well. It seems very possible depending on the width of stock.

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Offline Upscale

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2013, 03:01 AM »
Not sure this is a suitable application for a jigsaw personally.  [unsure]
There's a number of jigsaw tables out there so it's not as off the wall as one might think. In the end, I'd think it would come down to the accuracy of the jigsaw when deciding if it's a viable idea.


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Offline elimelech12

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2013, 03:02 AM »
Check this out...jigsaw table

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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2013, 03:25 AM »
Check this out...jigsaw table



They should really learn how to market their product better and it might not do to bad at selling!
  The box looks like its from Toys R us

Not seeing it up close so can't truelly comment! But from the video it seems like a handy little thing to have!

I like how small and light it looks and simply clamp it to your bench setup on site. 

I actually had to scribe 40mm of some architrave and skirting to fallow contour of the floor (normally use my planer for the skirting but forgot my planer) yesterday I used my carvex with angle base cutting upside down. 

This little thing could be handy scribing narrow pieces like architrave. 

How much is it? If its cheap might just get it to try out like!
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Offline Alex

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2013, 03:29 AM »
These tables are very common here in Europe. But I don't think the manufacturer of the jigsaw table above went through the trouble of getting it approved by UL in the States. They'll be in trouble if some American decides to cut himself and sue.

How much is it? If its cheap might just get it to try out like!

http://www.neutechnik-toolshop.com/

The problem is these things are made to look real handy when they demostrate them in videos. When you use them in person you very soon find out they're utter crap. Flimsy and inaccurate.
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Offline Alexander Webb

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2013, 03:42 AM »
€59 for basic and €139 for set €8 postage to usa. Made in Germany to boot.
http://www.neutechnik-toolshop.com/products/jigsaw-table-accessories/jigsaw-table-super-set/#cc-m-product-518644706459
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Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2013, 03:49 AM »
These tables are very common here in Europe. But I don't think the manufacturer of the jigsaw table above went through the trouble of getting it approved by UL in the States. They'll be in trouble if some American decides to cut himself and sue.

How much is it? If its cheap might just get it to try out like!

http://www.neutechnik-toolshop.com/

The problem is these things are made to look real handy when they demostrate them in videos. When you use them in person you very soon find out they're utter crap. Flimsy and inaccurate.


Yeah that's what I'm thinking it will be like!  

Because looks like its tottally made out of plastic which will have alot of deflection! Sayin that!!

I'm wouldn't be using it for precise work!

The benefits I see are-   Its cheap so good for site

I can fix my milwuakee cordless jigsaw to it and leave it attached 90% time the jigsaw will be just left at a slight bevel/angle for scribing.    Then just get out of the van clamp it to a bench or something and scribe away! It doesn't need to be accurate for scribing its as accurate as the user surely.  I'm the one fallowing the line.   All I want is something to hold my jig saw because scribing something 2metres long about 70mm wide or narrower is just a pain.

The festool cms module is expensive and its to much setup to get basic table and module to just do couple scribes.  This little toy thing seems ideal to just throw out onto site in seconds.   No?
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Offline Deansocial

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2013, 04:12 AM »
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

Offline Alex

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2013, 04:53 AM »
Its cheap so good for site

I can fix my milwuakee cordless jigsaw to it and leave it attached 90% time the jigsaw will be just left at a slight bevel/angle for scribing.    Then just get out of the van clamp it to a bench or something and scribe away! It doesn't need to be accurate for scribing its as accurate as the user surely.  I'm the one fallowing the line.   All I want is something to hold my jig saw because scribing something 2metres long about 70mm wide or narrower is just a pain.

The festool cms module is expensive and its to much setup to get basic table and module to just do couple scribes.  This little toy thing seems ideal to just throw out onto site in seconds.   No?

It's cheapness is exactly why it is not good for site. In the video they show how it works by using a small 2x2 one foot long and that works. But if you slap a 2 meter long piece on it, that plastic plate will break in two very soon.

I agree something like this is a lot easier and quicker to set up than a CMS. The problem is that despite what the manufacturer claims, in reality they are nowhere near the sturdiness a professional requires and will break very quickly.

At least the Wolfrcraft version is made out of metal. Amazon link It will stand up to a lot more abuse and you can use heavier pieces on it. I actually owned it and it survived a good 10 years. It lacks a blade guide though, so deflection was a concern.

I am not trying to discourage you from trying this thing out yourself JMB, just sharing my experiences. As I bought a couple of them myself in the past, I can see how they can come in handy with certain tasks. The problem is just that the build quality, especially with the plastic ones, is generally abominable. But as I haven't seen this one before, maybe it's better.

Offline Upscale

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2013, 07:03 AM »
It's cheapness is exactly why it is not good for site. In the video they show how it works by using a small 2x2 one foot long and that works. But if you slap a 2 meter long piece on it, that plastic plate will break in two very soon.

The point is there are jigsaw tables out there, some metal too. Obviously, anyone looking for great precision or the ability to cut long sheets of wood on a regular basis is going to look for a different, more capable solution.

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2013, 09:26 AM »
I was not even aware the "jigsaw tables" were available. I have been planning to make one and this prompted me to search online, turns out there are a lot of different, mostly cheap looking, versions available. Rockwell also has a complete saw, does not require using your own jigsaw:



I have not had any experience with Rockwell tools, although the few I have picked up and played with at my local Lowes seemed to be pretty well made. Online reviews of this saw are totally mixed, from 0 to 5 stars and back.

For $179 I may try it out.

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2013, 10:13 AM »
I keep my old Bosch 1582 going largely because I have the portable clamp-on table Bosch made for it. (Metabo had a very similar table for their saws back then)

The table is strong, cast aluminum, holds the saw securely via a quick acting thumb screw secured clamp. There are tabs that fit into the saw shoe. I keep the saw, table, Collins coping foot, circle cutting arm, and a large quantity of blades in a Sys 2. It takes less than a minute to open the Sys and start sawing as long as there is a sturdy table with an overhang to clamp the little jigsaw table to. If not, it can clamp onto a scrap secured to the MFT.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2013, 10:50 AM »
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

I'd like to know too. Which version are you two using?

I bought the M12. I have a lot of other M12 stuff and found it for a good price but like Dean I find the blade deflection terrible. Not only is there no blade support system like on the Trion or the newest Bosch but it seems like the plunger supports are missing or never adjusted. I can wiggle the plunger (that the blade is attached to) back and forth. Running the blade full speed in air looks ridiculous. At least the trigger is VS and allows the cut to be started at slow speed but once you get going who knows what angle the cut will be? The plunger has nearly 5 degrees of lateral play...

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2013, 12:04 PM »
I recently made a router/jigsaw table top out of plywood for site use, it is just a piece of ply with maple edge band that clamps to a bench. I made the mounting for the tools like Timtool did in his systainer top box.

I use an old Bosch jigsaw and router that live in my trailer. I have only used it to test it out and am hoping it will work out well for the occasional use.

If anyone is interested i can dig it out and post some photos.

Offline Nikko

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2013, 01:25 PM »
I'd be interested in having a look at the photos Keith

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2013, 01:32 PM »
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

Yip it is utter crap!  You can't run it along a straight edge because the blade isn't dead inline with the jigsaw.  I had mine replaced because pendulum didnt work and both the blades where not inline with the base so I just assumed that's how they make them!

So you need to have the jig saw on an angle for it to go straight. Like Tokyo drift!  Heehee

The blade does wander easy and the base hasn't got a very positive 90° lock.  

I don't rate the jigsaw at all its pretty crap!  Hence why I thought I could leave it in this toy of a jig permantly cus I never use the jigsaw.  Just gathers dust.

I wouldn't recommend it.  

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Offline elimelech12

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2013, 04:02 PM »
You can also do a search for the MFTB that timtool built. He put a carvex in a homemade Systainer and it is awesome!

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2013, 04:55 PM »
I'd be interested in having a look at the photos Keith

I have to empty out my trailer in the morning so i can get to it and i will get some pics and try to post them later tomorrow.

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2013, 05:28 PM »
I'd be interested in having a look at the photos Keith

I have to empty out my trailer in the morning so i can get to it and i will get some pics and try to post them later tomorrow.


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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Carvex for resawing?
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2013, 08:49 PM »
Jmb, how you finding the Milwaukee cordless jigsaw? I used 1 the other day and it was utter crap. To cut straight you had to hold it at an angle, to follow a curve it was all o er the place and blade defection was huge

Yip it is utter crap!  You can't run it along a straight edge because the blade isn't dead inline with the jigsaw.  I had mine replaced because pendulum didnt work and both the blades where not inline with the base so I just assumed that's how they make them!

So you need to have the jig saw on an angle for it to go straight. Like Tokyo drift!  Heehee

The blade does wander easy and the base hasn't got a very positive 90° lock.  

I don't rate the jigsaw at all its pretty crap!  Hence why I thought I could leave it in this toy of a jig permantly cus I never use the jigsaw.  Just gathers dust.

I wouldn't recommend it.  

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The M18 jigsaw seems to be identical to the M12, just different battery packs.
Pity they didn't make them better.

Cordless isn't the issue. My old 18v Makita jigsaw is just as good as my corded Bosch. The cordless just doesn't last as long. It's at least twice as heavy and bulky as the M12 though. That's why I took a chance on the M12.