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Online Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2016, 05:22 PM »
@bobfog
Funny that you asked, I'm gutting this bathroom and today it was all about ripping out the old ply underlayment. I was going to sand down the subfloor with the Rotex 125 but then my eye caught the ES 125 with the 150 pad on it. So I slapped some 80 grit on it and I was amazed how fast the job went. That larger surface makes such a big difference as far as time spent. This sander is brilliant, it almost makes me want to try a ES 150/5. No problems...no issues, it works great.

I just wish this interchange thing would work on the 150 sanders, instead of just the 125. It'd be so slick to purchase a 150/3 & a 150/5 and then a couple of 125 pads.


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Offline bobfog

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2016, 06:01 PM »
@bobfog
Funny that you asked, I'm gutting this bathroom and today it was all about ripping out the old ply underlayment. I was going to sand down the subfloor with the Rotex 125 but then my eye caught the ES 125 with the 150 pad on it. So I slapped some 80 grit on it and I was amazed how fast the job went. That larger surface makes such a big difference as far as time spent. This sander is brilliant, it almost makes me want to try a ES 150/5. No problems...no issues, it works great.

I just wish this interchange thing would work on the 150 sanders, instead of just the 125. It'd be so slick to purchase a 150/3 & a 150/5 and then a couple of 125 pads.

Great stuff!

When I was in my local Axminster I was looking at the Ekat with the knowledgable on Festool staff member, and came to the conclusion that technically it should be possible to change the part that has the spindle from the 125 on to the 150's to achieve what you want, but will obviously void the warranty.

Online Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2016, 07:31 PM »
You're right, there are only 2 sub-assemblies that are different between the two. The "3" button is a different color  [eek] and the bearing assembly which uses a different shaft. That's it, I'm just really impressed with how well that mod works.  [cool]

Offline plgard

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Re: ETS EC 125/150? - Cheese's Third Image
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2016, 02:00 PM »
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125…

Sorry if this has been asked and answered,

Can anyone tell me why the sander in Cheese's third image has a metal plate stamped "150/3" and a product sticker under the handle assembly that says "125/3"?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150? - Cheese's Third Image
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2016, 02:09 PM »
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125…

Sorry if this has been asked and answered,

Can anyone tell me why the sander in Cheese's third image has a metal plate stamped "150/3" and a product sticker under the handle assembly that says "125/3"?

In case some are scrolling back to those images here are the areas mentioned:



My guess is that many manufacturers Festool is designing around already produced parts where applicable?

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Online Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2016, 02:09 PM »
@plgard ,
I just thought it was interesting that when I pulled the pad off of my ETS EC 125, that some parts on the inside were stamped 150/3.

So, the ETS EC 125 is really an ETS EC 150/3 with a different style pad mount and a different color on/off button...those are the only differences.

There had been some discussion on differences in the pad brakes, but that is not the case.

Offline plgard

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2016, 03:38 PM »
@Peter Halle,

Yeah, one part, many applications -I get it! ; )

@Cheese,

One assembly, more than one application!

I'm just echoing what's already been said here…

SEEMS like Festool could have offered a line of sanders with some inherent interchangeability- you know, like a "SYSTEM"

Offline plgard

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2016, 05:42 PM »
anyone have any hands-on experience changing between the 125 & 150 pad on the North American version of the Deros?

Like others here, I'm on the fence between the ETS EC and the Deros.  I didn't even realize the Ceros had been recalled and perhaps superseded by the Deros.

When I decided a current project had enough sanding to warrant replacing my (old) top-heavy ETS 150, I thought I'd consider the Ceros because aside from being more like the old pneumatic DA's, I had remembered reading or seeing a video (YouTube) where the 5" & 6" pads were interchangeable.

When I went looking for the Ceros at (the usual) online retailers and found only the Deros I assumed it too would accommodate either size pad.

I guess the whole pad swap thing isn't THAT important, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult either...

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2016, 01:16 AM »
anyone have any hands-on experience changing between the 125 & 150 pad on the North American version of the Deros?

Like others here, I'm on the fence between the ETS EC and the Deros.  I didn't even realize the Ceros had been recalled and perhaps superseded by the Deros.

When I decided a current project had enough sanding to warrant replacing my (old) top-heavy ETS 150, I thought I'd consider the Ceros because aside from being more like the old pneumatic DA's, I had remembered reading or seeing a video (YouTube) where the 5" & 6" pads were interchangeable.

When I went looking for the Ceros at (the usual) online retailers and found only the Deros I assumed it too would accommodate either size pad.

I guess the whole pad swap thing isn't THAT important, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult either...

I think it is only the 5650 model which has both and that is a 230v unit... You either need the transformer or a 220-US to 230v •-Eu plug.
It was easy for me as Au has 230v and the Mirka was cheaper imported than the other option.
In the US it makes sense to consider the ETS EC dies to pricing and voltage... Or of you really like 'the paddle'.

Offline bobfog

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2016, 12:17 PM »
I too was considering the Mirka Deros, the 125mm and 150mm pads are compatible and interchangable with any Deros sander according to the UK technical support team, no underhand trying con your customers into buying two sanders malarkey, saying the sander will be out of balance, etc. The Deros 5650 comes bundled with both pads in a Systainer at a reasonable price of about £370.

But as I wanted the 2.5 not 5mm orbit version, there was no bundled set so I would have had to buy the sander itself in cardboard box,the Systainer and the 125mm pad and it worked out at about £480 all in. So I went for the ETS EC 125 and a 150mm pad for £410.

« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 12:28 PM by bobfog »

Offline cpap

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2016, 10:20 PM »
Thanks for all the info. I based my purchase on this and picked up the ecs ec 125/3 and a 150 pad ....and saved $50! Works perfectly!

Offline OrangeCrush

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2016, 07:59 PM »
I am new to festool and replacing my old Dewalt 5" so I am already more comfortable with the 125.  I am very interested in the fact I can get the 125 and upgrade to a 6" pad if I desire to do so later.  After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly.  It seams to me that that would be an important difference???
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Offline OrangeCrush

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2016, 08:01 PM »
oops - I meant reply #33
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Online Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2016, 11:54 AM »
After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly.  It seams to me that that would be an important difference???

First off... [welcome] to the FOG.

Now to your question, the ETS EC 125 & 150 use different pad mounting geometries, thus the 125 assembly is different than the 150 assembly only because of the different mounting shaft styles, that's the only difference. Check out the photos below and it becomes more obvious.

Offline bobfog

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2016, 01:04 PM »
Just to add/clarify @Cheese reply. I think the inference was the bearing assembly  on the 125 is somehow different and maybe weaker than the 150. This isn't the case it's simply the "keyed" shape at the end of the shaft that interfaces with the bearing is different, not the assembly as a whole.

Offline OrangeCrush

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2016, 07:31 PM »
Thanks Cheese and Bobfog for the clarification.  I see now that the key is part of the bearing shaft.

I purchased a new 125/3 yesterday and just took the pad off to take a look.  It is identical to your pictures with the same 150/3 markings on what look like some balance weights.  I will probably go get a 6" pad tomorrow and try it out.

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Online Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2016, 11:51 PM »
I will probably go get a 6" pad tomorrow.

Swap pads and just enjoy the sander...it's phenomenal, the pad brake is my favorite feature. 

It's a real shame that Festool didn't incorporate quick-change pads with this sander so that it could be quickly converted from 125mm to 150mm.  That was a real bone-head marketing decision.
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Offline OrangeCrush

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2016, 06:04 PM »
Got the 6" pad on my ETS EC 125 now and it works great.  Seams to start and stop just fine.  I feel so dirty but I will get over it.  Thanks again for the tip.
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
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Offline Pizza Steve

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2017, 07:53 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2017, 07:56 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2017, 08:15 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
.

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
. I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .
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Offline Pizza Steve

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2017, 08:23 PM »
Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

Offline leakyroof

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2017, 08:49 PM »
Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?
. Have no idea...I'm still waiting for my Pro5 to show up.... [doh]
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Online Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2017, 09:42 PM »
I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .

I can't for the life of me believe that an additional 50 watts of power makes that much difference in the performance of the sander...but something really works well here. My Pro 5 is a lot better in removing previously applied finishes.


Offline JD2720

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2017, 09:46 PM »
Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

Maybe if you can find a 150 pad that will fit it. Festool does not have a 150 pad that will fit the Pro 5

Offline ben_r_

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2017, 09:56 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
.

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
. I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .
It has a 2mm stroke.
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2017, 02:50 AM »
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads?  Lol  [crying] [unsure]

Offline ben_r_

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2017, 12:22 PM »
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads?  Lol  [crying] [unsure]
You could easily sell those two and buy the ETS EC 125/3.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2017, 04:41 PM »
There is a lot to be said for a 5-mm stroke.
The difference between 2 and 3-mm stroke and 50 extra watts, is eclipsed by a 5-mm stroke and an EC motor.

But if one wants a 5-mm stroke in 125-mm diameter, then it requires the Mirka... or some other brand.