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Offline bobfog

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ETS EC 125/150?
« on: May 30, 2016, 04:41 PM »
Does the ETS EC 150 take the 125mm pads as well?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 04:42 PM »
Does the ETS EC 150 take the 125mm pads as well?

.....nope.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 04:48 PM »
That would be the Mirka!
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 05:20 PM »
That would be the Mirka!

Yup! Guess that's where my money will go.

Shame really, things like this make it difficult not to feel disgruntled at Festool. It's a blatant case of daylight robbery, as if spending nearly £400 on a sander isn't enough, you can't even put a smaller pad on it. Instead Festool think it's reasonable to make you spend ~£750+ on two sanders instead of making a universal pad fitting. I mean why make your customers able to put a£20 pad on the sander when they can instead make them but another sander.

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 05:59 PM »
@bobfog I think it is only the 230v model. I think it is the 5650.(the one I got)

Offline leakyroof

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 07:32 PM »
The pad brake does not line up between the two different sized sanders, in case you're wondering.
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Offline AndyUK

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2016, 02:31 AM »
It is a shame that Festool haven't included the ability to change from 125 to 150 on their sanders as other manufacturers have done.
Would also like to see the ability to change from 3mm to 5mm orbit also on the ETS EC.
Others can do this and I can't see why it's not offered by Festool?
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2016, 02:35 AM »
@bobfog I think it is only the 230v model. I think it is the 5650.(the one I got)

Thanks @Holmz

I assume you're happy with yours and would recommend it?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 02:37 AM »
It is a shame that Festool haven't included the ability to change from 125 to 150 on their sanders as other manufacturers have done.
Would also like to see the ability to change from 3mm to 5mm orbit also on the ETS.
Others can do this and I can't see why it's not offered by Festool?

The Mirka is braked by the motor, so pad changes may be easier if the issue preventing it is the braking.

Unless one has stacks of 125-mm papers, or has a compelling need to change sizes, I am not sure it is all that important to change pads?

Then if the different orbit sizes cause a huge jump in cost, it might make more sense to have separate /3 and a /5 sanders ?
(They already cost a fair bit of coin)

@bobfog I think it is only the 230v model. I think it is the 5650.(the one I got)

Thanks @Holmz

I assume you're happy with yours and would recommend it?

Yes I like it. It is faster than the 1/2 sheet, but I like the 1/2 sheet (uva115e). I think the 1/2 sheet is better all around, unless one is dead set on a round RO sander. You at least find the pieces flat with a 1/2 sheet, so I often use that first to get it level.

I personally like the Mirka paddle, but some do not.
The Mirka screens are good, but those fit on a FT, Bosch, or B&D...
The 5650 is a 5-mm, which pairs well with the 1/2 sheet's 2.2-mm stroke.
If I was using it in 110v I am not sure, but the 5650 is 230v only.

But yeah I like it, and I only use it for 1/2 hour at the most, so a switch is not important, and the paddle works.
And the handling and weight are a thing of joy.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 02:48 AM by Holmz »

Offline AndyUK

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2016, 02:41 AM »
It is a shame that Festool haven't included the ability to change from 125 to 150 on their sanders as other manufacturers have done.
Would also like to see the ability to change from 3mm to 5mm orbit also on the ETS.
Others can do this and I can't see why it's not offered by Festool?

The Mirka is braked by the motor, so pad changes may be easier if the issue preventing it is the braking.

Unless one has stacks of 125-mm papers, or has a compelling need to change sizes, I am not sure it is all that important to change pads?

Then if the different orbit sizes cause a huge jump in cost, it might make more sense to have separate /3 and a /5 sanders ?
(They already cost a fair bit of coin)

I'm not sure if the cost would increase greatly as Metabo 450 sx has this facility (variable orbit) and I believe there's a Bosch sander also.
Both of those sanders are well south of the Festool price.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 02:51 AM »
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I'm not sure if the cost would increase greatly as Metabo 450 sx has this facility (variable orbit) and I believe there's a Bosch sander also.
Both of those sanders are well south of the Festool price.

The FT would not go down in price...

There are a lot of good sanders these days. I have not looked at those two, but it seems worth consideration, and I assume that they also fit on any vacuum...

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2016, 11:10 AM »
I wouldn't mind if a sander could change between a 3 and 5 mm orbit, but the added mechanism would make the sander heavier, noisier and more costly. I think I could do without that.

But there is really no logical excuse to not offer switchable pads. I want 125 & 150 mm pads on a single eccentric sander, and DTS and RTS pads on one sander as well.

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Offline ear3

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2016, 03:26 PM »

 and DTS and RTS pads on one sander as well.

This would be particularly welcome, and I imagine would be a relatively trivial engineering feat to accomplish.
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Offline bobfog

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2016, 03:27 AM »
Spoke with someone regarding the pad issue and they said that they own an ETS EC 125mm and this accepts the 150mm pads with no issues. Anyone able to comment on this?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2016, 10:36 AM »
Little bump, now the forum is back in full swing after its outage.

Offline Cheese

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2016, 12:52 PM »
Spoke with someone regarding the pad issue and they said that they own an ETS EC 125mm and this accepts the 150mm pads with no issues. Anyone able to comment on this?


I think I remember reading that a 150 pad would fit but that the pad brake would not operate.

Offline jwaite550

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2016, 04:35 PM »
Spoke with someone regarding the pad issue and they said that they own an ETS EC 125mm and this accepts the 150mm pads with no issues. Anyone able to comment on this?
I was at a dealer and he put a 6" pad on the ETS EC 3.  He took the pad off and it was stamped ETS EC 150 on the part the pad goes on.  Oddly the ETS EC 125 5 will not accept the 6" pad. 

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2016, 05:06 PM »
So the 3mm stroke version will accept the 150mm pad but not the 5mm? This is interesting!

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2016, 06:25 PM »
So the 3mm stroke version will accept the 150mm pad but not the 5mm? This is interesting!

There isn't a 5mm version of the ETS EC 125 sander. The 125 only comes in 3mm.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2016, 10:27 PM »
So...the confusion continues. Where's @TylerC ?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2016, 03:08 PM »
So...the confusion continues. Where's @TylerC ?

The ETS EC 150 will not accept the 125 mm pad. The sanders have different shafts.  The 150 sanders have a keyed shaft with wings, whereas the 125 has flats but not wings.  I can send pics if needed. The soft pad for the 150 sanders is thinner than the 125 mm pad and therefore does not engage the pad brake. Also, the balance between the 5 mm stroke 150 and the 3 mm stroke 150 are not the same.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2016, 03:22 PM »
So...the confusion continues. Where's @TylerC ?

The ETS EC 150 will not accept the 125 mm pad. The sanders have different shafts.  The 150 sanders have a keyed shaft with wings, whereas the 125 has flats but not wings.  I can send pics if needed. The soft pad for the 150 sanders is thinner than the 125 mm pad and therefore does not engage the pad brake. Also, the balance between the 5 mm stroke 150 and the 3 mm stroke 150 are not the same.

So is what you're effectively saying, that the 125mm pads absolutely won't fit the 150mm ETS EC? However, the 150mm pad will physically fit the 125mm machine and spin, but the pad brake won't engage and the performance will be sub-optimal due to balance issues?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2016, 03:34 PM »
So is what you're effectively saying, that the 125mm pads absolutely won't fit the 150mm ETS EC? However, the 150mm pad will physically fit the 125mm machine and spin, but the pad brake won't engage and the performance will be sub-optimal due to balance issues?

Yes, that's the case. Obviously, we can't guarantee the performance if you do that.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2016, 06:45 PM »
By the time you get the second pad, the cost may be the same as the Mirka which comes with 2 pads.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2016, 03:49 PM »
Ok, so I went to my local Festool dealer today and looked at the situation for myself.

Observations:

1) The pad for the 150 does indeed fit the 125.

2) The pad brake works perfectly, whilst the pads are "keyed differently" (looks like a purposely engineered flaw/point of difference IMO to stop people putting the 125 pad on the 150) the 150 pad sits on the 125 just fine. Though as previously stated the addition keying prevents it working the other way (125>150)

3) The pad felt absolutely perfectly balanced both when spinning freely in the air and when on the work doing its thing.



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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2016, 04:07 PM »
Ok, so I went to my local Festool dealer today and looked at the situation for myself.

Observations:

1) The pad for the 150 does indeed fit the 125.

2) The pad brake works perfectly, whilst the pads are "keyed differently" (looks like a purposely engineered flaw/point of difference IMO to stop people putting the 125 pad on the 150) the 150 pad sits on the 125 just fine. Though as previously stated the addition keying prevents it working the other way (125>150)

3) The pad felt absolutely perfectly balanced both when spinning freely in the air and when on the work doing its thing.

When I was considering the ETS EC 150/3, this concept might have tempted me.  However I have since decided for my second Festool sander, I will go with the ETS EC 150/5, as a better compliment to my RS 2 E. 

Since it appears to work for you, you should pull the trigger, use it for a few months, and then post a review.   If, after a period of time I decide I don't like the 150/5, or want to expand to the 125/3, I might consider it myself, if for no other reason so I can use the same 150 consumables on both sanders.
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Re: Turning an ETS EC 125 into a 150?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2016, 12:45 PM »
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125. Sure enough, as @bobfog stated, the pad does fit and performs the very same as the stock 125 pad.

Balance with the 150 pad is not an issue and that makes sense because the pad is injection molded, which means it was designed for symmetry from the get go.

The pad brake works fine and has nothing to do with the pad itself. In the photo below, the brake assembly is behind the magnesium housing and does not interact with the pad at any time.

The pad brake stops both of the pads in the same amount of time, switching back & forth between pads, I was unable to tell any difference.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2016, 01:35 PM by Cheese »

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Re: Turning an ETS EC 125 into a 150?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2016, 02:39 PM »
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125. Sure enough, as @bobfog stated, the pad does fit and performs the very same as the stock 125 pad.

Balance with the 150 pad is not an issue and that makes sense because the pad is injection molded, which means it was designed for symmetry from the get go.

The pad brake works fine and has nothing to do with the pad itself. In the photo below, the brake assembly is behind the magnesium housing and does not interact with the pad at any time.

The pad brake stops both of the pads in the same amount of time, switching back & forth between pads, I was unable to tell any difference.

Good to see we got to the bottom of this!

The project I was buying this for (lots of vertical sanding) has been put back a few months, so I'm yet to pull the trigger myself and put the money into a new router table for a more pressing project. I'll have to remember to PM you later in the summer to ask your long term opinion.


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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2016, 04:24 PM »
@Cheese

Looks like I might need the sander sooner than I expected, have you done much with the 150mm pad in the last week and if so any issues?

Cheers

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2016, 05:22 PM »
@bobfog
Funny that you asked, I'm gutting this bathroom and today it was all about ripping out the old ply underlayment. I was going to sand down the subfloor with the Rotex 125 but then my eye caught the ES 125 with the 150 pad on it. So I slapped some 80 grit on it and I was amazed how fast the job went. That larger surface makes such a big difference as far as time spent. This sander is brilliant, it almost makes me want to try a ES 150/5. No problems...no issues, it works great.

I just wish this interchange thing would work on the 150 sanders, instead of just the 125. It'd be so slick to purchase a 150/3 & a 150/5 and then a couple of 125 pads.


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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2016, 06:01 PM »
@bobfog
Funny that you asked, I'm gutting this bathroom and today it was all about ripping out the old ply underlayment. I was going to sand down the subfloor with the Rotex 125 but then my eye caught the ES 125 with the 150 pad on it. So I slapped some 80 grit on it and I was amazed how fast the job went. That larger surface makes such a big difference as far as time spent. This sander is brilliant, it almost makes me want to try a ES 150/5. No problems...no issues, it works great.

I just wish this interchange thing would work on the 150 sanders, instead of just the 125. It'd be so slick to purchase a 150/3 & a 150/5 and then a couple of 125 pads.

Great stuff!

When I was in my local Axminster I was looking at the Ekat with the knowledgable on Festool staff member, and came to the conclusion that technically it should be possible to change the part that has the spindle from the 125 on to the 150's to achieve what you want, but will obviously void the warranty.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2016, 07:31 PM »
You're right, there are only 2 sub-assemblies that are different between the two. The "3" button is a different color  [eek] and the bearing assembly which uses a different shaft. That's it, I'm just really impressed with how well that mod works.  [cool]

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Re: ETS EC 125/150? - Cheese's Third Image
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2016, 02:00 PM »
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125…

Sorry if this has been asked and answered,

Can anyone tell me why the sander in Cheese's third image has a metal plate stamped "150/3" and a product sticker under the handle assembly that says "125/3"?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150? - Cheese's Third Image
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2016, 02:09 PM »
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125…

Sorry if this has been asked and answered,

Can anyone tell me why the sander in Cheese's third image has a metal plate stamped "150/3" and a product sticker under the handle assembly that says "125/3"?

In case some are scrolling back to those images here are the areas mentioned:



My guess is that many manufacturers Festool is designing around already produced parts where applicable?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2016, 02:09 PM »
@plgard ,
I just thought it was interesting that when I pulled the pad off of my ETS EC 125, that some parts on the inside were stamped 150/3.

So, the ETS EC 125 is really an ETS EC 150/3 with a different style pad mount and a different color on/off button...those are the only differences.

There had been some discussion on differences in the pad brakes, but that is not the case.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2016, 03:38 PM »
@Peter Halle,

Yeah, one part, many applications -I get it! ; )

@Cheese,

One assembly, more than one application!

I'm just echoing what's already been said here…

SEEMS like Festool could have offered a line of sanders with some inherent interchangeability- you know, like a "SYSTEM"

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2016, 05:42 PM »
anyone have any hands-on experience changing between the 125 & 150 pad on the North American version of the Deros?

Like others here, I'm on the fence between the ETS EC and the Deros.  I didn't even realize the Ceros had been recalled and perhaps superseded by the Deros.

When I decided a current project had enough sanding to warrant replacing my (old) top-heavy ETS 150, I thought I'd consider the Ceros because aside from being more like the old pneumatic DA's, I had remembered reading or seeing a video (YouTube) where the 5" & 6" pads were interchangeable.

When I went looking for the Ceros at (the usual) online retailers and found only the Deros I assumed it too would accommodate either size pad.

I guess the whole pad swap thing isn't THAT important, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult either...

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2016, 01:16 AM »
anyone have any hands-on experience changing between the 125 & 150 pad on the North American version of the Deros?

Like others here, I'm on the fence between the ETS EC and the Deros.  I didn't even realize the Ceros had been recalled and perhaps superseded by the Deros.

When I decided a current project had enough sanding to warrant replacing my (old) top-heavy ETS 150, I thought I'd consider the Ceros because aside from being more like the old pneumatic DA's, I had remembered reading or seeing a video (YouTube) where the 5" & 6" pads were interchangeable.

When I went looking for the Ceros at (the usual) online retailers and found only the Deros I assumed it too would accommodate either size pad.

I guess the whole pad swap thing isn't THAT important, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult either...

I think it is only the 5650 model which has both and that is a 230v unit... You either need the transformer or a 220-US to 230v •-Eu plug.
It was easy for me as Au has 230v and the Mirka was cheaper imported than the other option.
In the US it makes sense to consider the ETS EC dies to pricing and voltage... Or of you really like 'the paddle'.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2016, 12:17 PM »
I too was considering the Mirka Deros, the 125mm and 150mm pads are compatible and interchangable with any Deros sander according to the UK technical support team, no underhand trying con your customers into buying two sanders malarkey, saying the sander will be out of balance, etc. The Deros 5650 comes bundled with both pads in a Systainer at a reasonable price of about £370.

But as I wanted the 2.5 not 5mm orbit version, there was no bundled set so I would have had to buy the sander itself in cardboard box,the Systainer and the 125mm pad and it worked out at about £480 all in. So I went for the ETS EC 125 and a 150mm pad for £410.

« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 12:28 PM by bobfog »

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2016, 10:20 PM »
Thanks for all the info. I based my purchase on this and picked up the ecs ec 125/3 and a 150 pad ....and saved $50! Works perfectly!

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2016, 07:59 PM »
I am new to festool and replacing my old Dewalt 5" so I am already more comfortable with the 125.  I am very interested in the fact I can get the 125 and upgrade to a 6" pad if I desire to do so later.  After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly.  It seams to me that that would be an important difference???
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2016, 08:01 PM »
oops - I meant reply #33
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2016, 11:54 AM »
After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly.  It seams to me that that would be an important difference???

First off... [welcome] to the FOG.

Now to your question, the ETS EC 125 & 150 use different pad mounting geometries, thus the 125 assembly is different than the 150 assembly only because of the different mounting shaft styles, that's the only difference. Check out the photos below and it becomes more obvious.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2016, 01:04 PM »
Just to add/clarify @Cheese reply. I think the inference was the bearing assembly  on the 125 is somehow different and maybe weaker than the 150. This isn't the case it's simply the "keyed" shape at the end of the shaft that interfaces with the bearing is different, not the assembly as a whole.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2016, 07:31 PM »
Thanks Cheese and Bobfog for the clarification.  I see now that the key is part of the bearing shaft.

I purchased a new 125/3 yesterday and just took the pad off to take a look.  It is identical to your pictures with the same 150/3 markings on what look like some balance weights.  I will probably go get a 6" pad tomorrow and try it out.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2016, 11:51 PM »
I will probably go get a 6" pad tomorrow.

Swap pads and just enjoy the sander...it's phenomenal, the pad brake is my favorite feature. 

It's a real shame that Festool didn't incorporate quick-change pads with this sander so that it could be quickly converted from 125mm to 150mm.  That was a real bone-head marketing decision.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2016, 06:04 PM »
Got the 6" pad on my ETS EC 125 now and it works great.  Seams to start and stop just fine.  I feel so dirty but I will get over it.  Thanks again for the tip.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2017, 07:53 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2017, 07:56 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2017, 08:15 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
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File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
. I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2017, 08:23 PM »
Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2017, 08:49 PM »
Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?
. Have no idea...I'm still waiting for my Pro5 to show up.... [doh]
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2017, 09:42 PM »
I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .

I can't for the life of me believe that an additional 50 watts of power makes that much difference in the performance of the sander...but something really works well here. My Pro 5 is a lot better in removing previously applied finishes.


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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2017, 09:46 PM »
Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

Maybe if you can find a 150 pad that will fit it. Festool does not have a 150 pad that will fit the Pro 5

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2017, 09:56 PM »
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
.

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company!  That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
. I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .
It has a 2mm stroke.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2017, 02:50 AM »
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads?  Lol  [crying] [unsure]

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2017, 12:22 PM »
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads?  Lol  [crying] [unsure]
You could easily sell those two and buy the ETS EC 125/3.
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2017, 04:41 PM »
There is a lot to be said for a 5-mm stroke.
The difference between 2 and 3-mm stroke and 50 extra watts, is eclipsed by a 5-mm stroke and an EC motor.

But if one wants a 5-mm stroke in 125-mm diameter, then it requires the Mirka... or some other brand.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2017, 10:33 AM »
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads?  Lol  [crying] [unsure]
You could easily sell those two and buy the ETS EC 125/3.
  True, esp. since the Pro5 is so hard to get still with Festool trying to catch up to the initial order.  [scratch chin]
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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2017, 06:01 PM »
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads?  Lol  [crying] [unsure]

This makes no sense to me.
If the ETS ETC 150 is 5-mm stroke, and the pro-5 is 2 or 3, do you really believe that you are going to want to switch out the base between course and fine sanding? That will get older than switching out router bits.

The 5-mm is not bad for finish sanding, and the smaller strokes are not good for taking material off quickly.

The only people what want one that does it all are those who do not want to spend the money for more sanders, but you are already invested

Or am I missing a key factor?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2017, 03:42 PM »
After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly.  It seams to me that that would be an important difference???

First off... [welcome] to the FOG.

Now to your question, the ETS EC 125 & 150 use different pad mounting geometries, thus the 125 assembly is different than the 150 assembly only because of the different mounting shaft styles, that's the only difference. Check out the photos below and it becomes more obvious.

Hi

I have started a new tread about almost the same subject as here. But i think my question belong here instead. I have an old RO150E which has the shaft style without the wings. I can fit the wings-style pad on the RO150E, but the sealing lip ( or is that the brake ? ) is not touching the pad. What will that mean ? Bad dustcollection or ?

I cannot find the old style pads anywhere, and I have two 150 mm sanders and a lot of sandpaper :-/

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2017, 03:55 PM »
Avo, go and have a look on your thread you started. I have put a link up that you may find useful.

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2017, 08:29 AM »
Hello all of you,
first of all, i am new here and from the Netherlands, so please don't mind my language. I try to be as clear as i can be.

For this topic: when i look at the pictures at Reply #43 and compare the 2 discs (125 and 150 mm) I see that the only difference is/are the 2 cutouts on the 150 disc. Since I want to use the ets ec 150/5 with an 125 mm disc i am wondering if it is possible to cut out these 2 little cutouts of a 125 mm disc myself. Because in that case I will end up with an ets ec 150/5 with 125 and 150 mm pad. And I know that would be the same set up as the Mirka Deros, but to me it looks like the Festool is more dureable than the Mirka Deros.   

Anyone have experience with adjusting the 125 mm pad?

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Re: ETS EC 125/150?
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2017, 06:25 PM »
The Festool 150 pad fits on the 125, but not the other way around.
No one has posted such a modification so have at it. Seems conceptually easy enough.

Since you are in Europe and have 230v the DEROS seems to be a good choice.
If you really like the Festool switch over the DEROS paddle then that would make sense too.

Mirka have been making sanders for many decades, so they could be more durable than they "look".