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Offline alice

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Festool cyclone
« on: December 30, 2018, 08:09 AM »
I am interested in buying the the Festool cyclone but I’m seeing it’s not recommend for the ct sys  or mini.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2018, 08:13 AM by alice »

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Offline alice

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 08:23 AM »
The Festool web site states its compatible with all ct vacuums but a dealer in Ontario Canada atlas tools machinery says otherwise.

Online Roachmill

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2018, 09:18 AM »
There's a thread on here somewhere with info on the VA and CT SYS. It does work and a helpful dealer got a response from Festool that the SYS and MINI haven't been fully tested and that's why they're not supported. So it may have a detrimental effect on those... but my SYS is still going strong after ~6 months of DIY usage (it's approaching time to change the first bag).

Offline harry_

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2018, 11:52 AM »
I am sure that it will work on either.

The cyclone will induce some suction loss.
Both of those units have lower suction levels that the full size CT's. Add that to the induced loss of suction from the cycloneand your results may be sub par.

as an aside, won't putting a cyclone on the CT SYS totally defeat it's portability?
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Offline alice

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 12:00 PM »
I just saw a review of the ct sys with the cyclone by Peter of new Brit workshop and it actually had a little more suction than the ct 26 hookup.

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Re: Festool cyclone
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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2018, 01:43 PM »
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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 02:16 PM »
We only recommend using the CT Cyclone with the CT 26, CT 36, CT 36 AC, and CT 48. Users can share their experiences using it with other CTs, but those are the only ones that we recommend.

Offline Ordewin

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2018, 04:35 PM »
I use the cyclone with my Midi and Ct says and have no issues with either of them, Imwas told and one of the tool shows by a Festool rep that the issue with the Midi is that with the cyclone it makes it top heavy.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2018, 05:25 PM »
I use the cyclone with my Midi and Ct says and have no issues with either of them, Imwas told and one of the tool shows by a Festool rep that the issue with the Midi is that with the cyclone it makes it top heavy.
Ronin

I'm Festool could offer the "CT-BP-5"   a 5kg ballast plate for the bottom of the Midi to resolve that.  Even offer them for 10% off when you mail Festool your old ballast (rock, random chunk of metal, etc) back too them.

Offline Ordewin

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2018, 03:12 AM »


I'm Festool could offer the "CT-BP-5"   a 5kg ballast plate for the bottom of the Midi to resolve that.  Even offer them for 10% off when you mail Festool your old ballast (rock, random chunk of metal, etc) back too them.
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There really is no issue in real life as far as the cyclone being top heavy as you have the midi in a static position when using the router, domino, kapex CMS etc. On the sys vac there is no issue apart from the fact that it does not have the same power as the CTs, it still does the job though. Peter Parfitt has done a test and there is not a massive loss in performance.
This is just another example of Festool covering themselves as the midi has smaller wheels and footprint, if you were moving it around it would be less stable but in my experience you push it with your hand on top of the cyclone anyway so have full control anyway

Offline Gregor

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2018, 04:46 AM »
you push it with your hand on top of the cyclone anyway so have full control anyway
As the Festool pre-separator has no solid connection between the bottom (which can be locked onto the MIDI) and the bin... I can't really agree with that diagnosis.

It works reasonably well enough on flat surfaces though, for stationary use it's better to set it next to the MIDI instead ontop.

Offline Ordewin

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2018, 06:34 AM »
the bin sits quite firmly to the base housing, so pushing it around is no issue. in fact it is no different to having it on a CT26 or 36, my point was about stability having it on the midi. If there is an issue in what you state then it would be a design flaw for the whole range of CTs

Offline Gregor

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2018, 09:20 AM »
No, it's IMHO a design flaw in the pre-separator as with it on the top you can't one-hand maneuver the CT over obstacles like you can with some systainers ontop of it - you'll just pull the bin out of the CT-VA base. YMMV.

Offline harry_

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2018, 10:18 AM »
Personally I would be more concerned as to how stable the unit is overall once you start bringing the hose up off the floor due to reach (the length of a board). As I share my CT across 3 location in my (field) setup (KAPEX, table saw, and MFT) it needs to stay where I put it, since I put it 'there' for a reason.

I would be concerned with a midi or mini tipping over given the lesser ballast as compared to full sized CTs. An issue I have not run into with my CT36AC.
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool cyclone
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2018, 02:05 PM »
No, it's IMHO a design flaw in the pre-separator as with it on the top you can't one-hand maneuver the CT over obstacles like you can with some systainers ontop of it - you'll just pull the bin out of the CT-VA base. YMMV.

Correct,  smooth clean floor you are ok, but soon as it hits your power cable with the wheels or similar, the base stops, the top keeps moving.

The issue for Festool saying its a stability concern is that they have built their vacuums to have stuff latched on top,  so even without the cyclone, someone could attach a large amount of systainers on top of the vacuum, this would cause stability concerns too.

For sure the cyclone does make for an awkward tower, but people could be doing the same without it.

I think the idea they just didn't test is/focused it more on the bigger vacuums is more the case, but obviously no one would believe that no on in Festool ever took the cyclone over to the sys-vac and tried it out.