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Offline ear3

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Festool surfix application question
« on: September 20, 2017, 10:11 AM »
I've started using Surfix for finishing, and have been pleased so far with the results.  Previously I was using the heavy oil, but when I had to reup on my bottles the other day, I ended up getting the One-Step instead, since that was the only one my dealer had in stock at the moment.

The basic application instructions for the one-step appear to be identical to the heavy oil, but because the one step has wax added in, the 320 grit abrasive I use to sand in between coats loads up almost immediately (unlike the heavy oil, where a single sheet will usually do the trick).  I'm struggling to see how it could be otherwise, since wax will always wreak havoc on abrasives, and I'm wondering if you're just supposed to dispense with the intermediate sanding stage when using the one step oil.
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Re: Festool surfix application question
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 10:18 AM »
I am going to move this into the Ask Festool area.  I know that they have application specialists who have been trained on the finishing systems.

@TylerC , just moved this thread.

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Re: Festool surfix application question
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2017, 11:13 AM »
The application and procedure are the same because the wax in the One-Step might take longer to dry. Letting the oil dry for a longer period will ensure that it is fully dry and ready for sanding. Also, the environment will be a factor due to possible humidity.

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Re: Festool surfix application question
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2017, 12:35 PM »
Edward, I’ve used a lot of the outdoor oil in the past and always followed the instructions, however, I’m now finishing some maple drawers for a maple cabinet I’m making and I decided to use 1-step oil instead.
I allowed the first application to dry outdoors for 24+ hours and when I tried to sand it, I also had the sandpaper clogging issue. Consequently, I lightly wiped the surface with the white pad just to provide a smoother surface and remove any nibs. I then gave it a second coat.
This morning I checked the drawers and everything looks good. I placed some water in the corner of the drawer and it beaded up nicely.
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Offline ear3

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Re: Festool surfix application question
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2017, 02:41 PM »
Thanks @Cheese That's what I ended up doing as well, as the sanding was hopeless.  It seems like this would call for a modification of Festool's application instructions for one-step.

Edward, I’ve used a lot of the outdoor oil in the past and always followed the instructions, however, I’m now finishing some maple drawers for a maple cabinet I’m making and I decided to use 1-step oil instead.
I allowed the first application to dry outdoors for 24+ hours and when I tried to sand it, I also had the sandpaper clogging issue. Consequently, I lightly wiped the surface with the white pad just to provide a smoother surface and remove any nibs. I then gave it a second coat.
This morning I checked the drawers and everything looks good. I placed some water in the corner of the drawer and it beaded up nicely.
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Festool surfix application question
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2017, 03:40 PM »
The basic application instructions for the one-step appear to be identical to the heavy oil, but because the one step has wax added in, the 320 grit abrasive I use to sand in between coats loads up almost immediately (unlike the heavy oil, where a single sheet will usually do the trick).
I must honestly say that I forgot from time to time to do the sanding pass before adding another layer, but massaging in the new layer with the green pad from the surfix kit seemed to have disturbed the existing already dried oil enough so the fresh oil from the new pass could bond with it. At least I didn't notice any difference in optics or durability, yet, to pieces that I did where I didn't accidently skip a part of the manual...

Now that I know that I have forgotten something (on one or two pieces) I've put 'make some side-by-side comparison pieces (as instructed with sanding inbetween coats, and without)' onto my todo-list.