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Offline gknutson

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glue applicator
« on: November 03, 2009, 12:02 AM »
Anyone found a good glue applicator for putting glue in the mortises for dominoes?  Lamello has their Minicol glue applicator with a tip that applies glue to both sides of the slot cut for biscuits.  I'm hoping to find something similar for dominoes.

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Offline MarkF

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 09:55 AM »
I give a good squirt with a Glubot and use an acid brush to get it evenly applied.  I'm sure those enterprizing folks at Fastcap will come up with something if there's a need in the market.
http://www.fastcap.com/glubot.aspx

Offline Steve-CO

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 10:28 AM »
I give a good squirt with a Glubot and use an acid brush to get it evenly applied.  I'm sure those enterprizing folks at Fastcap will come up with something if there's a need in the market.
http://www.fastcap.com/glubot.aspx

Looks like their blade tip might work well.  Maybe epoxy over the hole in the bottom and poke a hole in the sides.

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 10:38 AM »
A link on another forum suggested this product.  I have not tried them.
Might want to look at this

Peter
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Offline gknutson

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 11:38 AM »
Both good ideas.  I love my GluBots for standard applications.  Plugging the bottom and drilling holes through the sides could work for the 4 and 5 mm sizes.  I'm thinking that for the different size dominoes (4, 5, 6, 8, and 10mm) a different size tip would give the ideal result.  Too small of a tip and the glue doesn't actually "stick" to the sides of the mortise, it just sort of plops in there.  If you've ever used a Minicol applicator from Lamello for biscuits, that works fast and effectively.  That's what I'm looking for.  It's for when you have quite a few dominoes to install at once.  Going back to every mortise with a brush would take up valuable time while the glue is setting up. I found this bottle with a tip for doing dowels that might work for a couple of the larger sizes.  I wonder if I can buy threaded brass tubing that could be modified to work for other diameters?  Just bouncing ideas around.
Knute

Offline gknutson

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 11:40 AM »
Ooops.  I forgot to attach the link to that bottle I was referring to.  Here it is   http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000340/3339/Glue-Bottle-Complete-Set.aspx

Offline Neill

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 11:42 AM »
A link on another forum suggested this product.  I have not tried them.
Might want to look at this

Peter


Peter,

It seems like that glue injector shown at the bottom of the page would be great for getting glue neatly and efficiently into the mortises.

By the way, what's wrong with just using the tip of the bottle the glue comes in?  I think that almost everyone uses one of the Titebond / Franklin glues.  The tip of their bottle fits nicely into biscuit slots as well as Domino mortises.

I have tried the Glue Bots and even that rubber bulb with the assorted tips.  I think they are all a waste of money.  Why not just use a turkey baster?

Neill
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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 11:50 AM »
Neil,

I haven't an issue using a regular bottle to work and then using acid brushes.  I thought that I had seen a specialty applicator so a Google search turned up the link I posted in case someone might find it easier to use based on their particular situation / style of work.

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Offline Neill

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 11:51 AM »
Ooops.  I forgot to attach the link to that bottle I was referring to.  Here it is   http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000340/3339/Glue-Bottle-Complete-Set.aspx

Gknutson,

As I noted in another post, I have tried this.  It works well until it comes to clean up.  The glue tends to cling to the inside of the bulb and to clog the tips.  So there you are taking 5 minutes to do the glue up and 20 minutes with hot soapy water rinsing out the bulb, scrubbing the threads with a brush, and clearing the tips with toothpicks or whatever.

Also because the bulb does not seal up airtight, glue tends to gum up or dryout inside the bulb between uses.

Neill
« Last Edit: November 03, 2009, 12:02 PM by Neill »
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Offline Neill

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 12:01 PM »
Neil,

I haven't an issue using a regular bottle to work and then using acid brushes.  I thought that I had seen a specialty applicator so a Google search turned up the link I posted in case someone might find it easier to use based on their particular situation / style of work.

Peter

Peter,

I am sure than many people will appreciate your efforts in finding this information.  I know I did.  I guess I am somewhat frustrated because I too like finding a better way of doing things.  The thing is sometimes the old way is the best way.

I also agree with you that we all like to do things our own way.  We are all a product of our experiences.

Neill

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Offline Steve-CO

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 12:34 PM »
Both good ideas.  I love my GluBots for standard applications.  Plugging the bottom and drilling holes through the sides could work for the 4 and 5 mm sizes.  I'm thinking that for the different size dominoes (4, 5, 6, 8, and 10mm) a different size tip would give the ideal result.  Too small of a tip and the glue doesn't actually "stick" to the sides of the mortise, it just sort of plops in there.  If you've ever used a Minicol applicator from Lamello for biscuits, that works fast and effectively.  That's what I'm looking for.  It's for when you have quite a few dominoes to install at once.  Going back to every mortise with a brush would take up valuable time while the glue is setting up. I found this bottle with a tip for doing dowels that might work for a couple of the larger sizes.  I wonder if I can buy threaded brass tubing that could be modified to work for other diameters?  Just bouncing ideas around.
Knute

Not as quick, but for the larger sizes you could have 1 hole on 1 side of the tip, coat one side and then turn it around 180 degrees to coat the other side.

Offline rwdawson

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 01:13 PM »
Ooops.  I forgot to attach the link to that bottle I was referring to.  Here it is   http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000340/3339/Glue-Bottle-Complete-Set.aspx

Gknutson,

As I noted in another post, I have tried this.  It works well until it comes to clean up.  The glue tends to cling to the inside of the bulb and to clog the tips.  So there you are taking 5 minutes to do the glue up and 20 minutes with hot soapy water rinsing out the bulb, scrubbing the threads with a brush, and clearing the tips with toothpicks or whatever.

Also because the bulb does not seal up airtight, glue tends to gum up or dryout inside the bulb between uses.

Neill

Neill, I think the real problem with clean up isn't "clean up" but the fact that you get cleaned out when you pay $44.99 glue bottle set.  There's an old joke that starts something like this... "When you bought the [whatever] did you get kissed?"

Just a thought,

Richard

Offline Neill

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 02:39 PM »



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Neill, I think the real problem with clean up isn't "clean up" but the fact that you get cleaned out when you pay $44.99 glue bottle set.  There's an old joke that starts something like this... "When you bought the [whatever] did you get kissed?"

Just a thought,

Richard
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Richard,

Not as many times as you got kissed when you were doing "Family Feud".   [wink]

(Bet you never heard that one before).

Neill
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Offline PeterK

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 02:51 PM »
Another that purchased the bulb glue bottle gizmo with the threaded tips. Does work well for some applications BUT the clean-up is a huge pain.
Guess I am just a sucker for a gizmo.   [embarassed] [sad]

Offline rwdawson

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 03:35 PM »




Neill, I think the real problem with clean up isn't "clean up" but the fact that you get cleaned out when you pay $44.99 glue bottle set.  There's an old joke that starts something like this... "When you bought the [whatever] did you get kissed?"

Just a thought,

Richard
[/quote]

Richard,

Not as many times as you got kissed when you were doing "Family Feud".   [wink]

(Bet you never heard that one before).

Neill
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Neill,

Nor as in the context of the joke.   [unsure]

Richard

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Offline Neill

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 03:45 PM »
Richard,

I am glad you were not in Evergreen last week.  They really got dumped on, snow that is.  I want to say something like 48" over a 36 hour period.  Set all kinds of records for October snowfall.  In typical Colorado fashion, we have had a warm-up since then.  It is about 65 today where I am and supposed to be 70 or more by week's end.

Neill
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Offline rwdawson

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 05:53 PM »
The snow is actually part of the fond memories.  Stock up on beer and dog food (not for me), and watch Hogan's Heroes reruns.

The subsequent warming trend was great. Drive around on clean highways through fields of snow.  Nice.

Offline joez71

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2009, 12:53 AM »

I just squirt in some glue use the square end of a medium sized cable tie as a spreader, it fits into a 4/5mm hole easily.

Just jiggle it around for even coverage and i throw it away when the glue ups finished, $20 and you'd have enough for a life times worth of glue ups and no cleanups to worry about.

joez

Offline John Stevens

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2009, 07:33 AM »
A link on another forum suggested this product.  I have not tried them.
Might want to look at this

Yes, that's what I use.  Pour some glue in a dish or store it in a short, wide-mouthed jar, and you can dip 'n' spread quickly.  Also works well for spreading the glue on the dominos themselves, although when I get to that stage I'm usually holding a small foam brush in my hand (the best tool for spreading a thin, uniform film of glue on edges) so I usually use the foam brush for the domino tenons, and that works just as well.

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Offline Neill

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2009, 10:02 AM »
A link on another forum suggested this product.  I have not tried them.
Might want to look at this

Yes, that's what I use.  Pour some glue in a dish or store it in a short, wide-mouthed jar, and you can dip 'n' spread quickly.  Also works well for spreading the glue on the dominos themselves, although when I get to that stage I'm usually holding a small foam brush in my hand (the best tool for spreading a thin, uniform film of glue on edges) so I usually use the foam brush for the domino tenons, and that works just as well.

Regards,

John

John,

We buy those powdered drink mixes (like Crystal Lite) that come in the cans with 5 or so individual plastic containers that make 2 quarts of drink each.  I just put my glue in those, as needed, and use with a brush.  Then I just trash them when I am done.  A side benefit is that your glue smells like cherries or whatever.   [wink]

I have also used the top of plastic margarine containers.  Then you just have to flex them a bit when the glue has dried and it all peels off.  They are especially useful for mixing small amounts of epoxy.  The bottom of the container is useful as well for all kinds of things such as small parts and to hold finishes (depending on the finish) you are using.  Obviously the lidded tubs are useful for storage of small parts and small amounts of liquids.

Neill
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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 10:44 AM »
Neil,

I haven't an issue using a regular bottle to work and then using acid brushes.  I thought that I had seen a specialty applicator so a Google search turned up the link I posted in case someone might find it easier to use based on their particular situation / style of work.

Peter

How to more quickly and effectively apply glue to the inside surfaces of small Domino mortices is of interest to me -- my current techniques take too much time, and caused problems when trying to assemble my Entertainment Center due to the need to apply glue to a large number of Domino tenons for some of the assembly steps, particularly when using original Titebond glue with its short open time.

Peter's technique works great for 6 mm,  8mm and 10 mm Domino tenons, but is a bit problematic with 5 mm and likely more so with 4 mm Dominos (which I have not yet used -- just ordered the cutter and some tenons yesterday).   The problem arises due to the 5 mm dimension and that of the acid flux brush.  It is difficult to insert the brush into the Domino mortices without causing some of the bristles to catch on entry and thus flare outward thereby causing glue to be spread where you may not want it.  I have trimmed some of the bristles from some acid flux brushes to reduce this tendency.  That helped me apply the glue within the mortices and minimize glue on the adjacent surfaces, but not entirely.

The use of the square looped end of a plastic wire tie is another good idea!  I haven't tried that, but I have used small dowels, and nails to spread the glue within the Domino mortices.

A small porous foam brush can also be used, and can be cut with scissors or a knife to fit the mortice.  At least one of the vendors of car care supplies (Griott's Garage) offers foam-tipped swabs which also might be effective in spreading glue within mortices.
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Offline CECabs

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2009, 11:50 AM »
I have one of these...
https://shop.felder-gruppe.at/felder/ext/f2007_shop.php?page=shop_node&node=2011
and I just love it! The tank is completely sealed. You tip it and pour your glue in to fill the tank, then it gravity feeds into the basin like a dog waterer. The blue cap seals out air when you are not using it and its shaped that way so you can keep your brush in there also, which I do. You never have to clean it up and there is nothing to clog. There is also a built in scraper for wiping excess glue off your brush when you use it. It holds a quart of glue so it last awhile before refilling.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 11:54 AM by CECabs »

Offline EcoFurniture

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2009, 11:54 AM »
I have one of these...
https://shop.felder-gruppe.at/felder/shop_category.php?region=us-us&real_shop_cuid=237
and I just love it! The tank is completely sealed. You tip it and pour your glue in to fill the tank, then it gravity feeds into the basin like a dog waterer. The blue cap seals out air when you are not using it and its shaped that way so you can keep your brush in there also, which I do. You never have to clean it up and there is nothing to clog. There is also a built in scraper for wiping excess glue off your brush when you use it. It holds a quart of glue so it last awhile before refilling.

Agreed! I have two of them and love them!!!

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2009, 02:00 PM »

The problem arises due to the 5 mm dimension and that of the acid flux brush.  It is difficult to insert the brush into the Domino mortices without causing some of the bristles to catch on entry and thus flare outward thereby causing glue to be spread where you may not want it.  I have trimmed some of the bristles from some acid flux brushes to reduce this tendency.  

Dave R.


I think this problem is known as acid re-flux disease.  [poke]
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Offline MarkF

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2009, 10:33 PM »

The problem arises due to the 5 mm dimension and that of the acid flux brush.  It is difficult to insert the brush into the Domino mortices without causing some of the bristles to catch on entry and thus flare outward thereby causing glue to be spread where you may not want it.  I have trimmed some of the bristles from some acid flux brushes to reduce this tendency.  

Dave R.
I stole an idea from David Marks and wrap a short piece of blue masking tape around the base of the bristles leaving ~3/4" to work the glue.  The tape holds the loose bristles.


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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2009, 10:51 PM »
I enjoy the no sugar frozen pops. The wooden sticks go to the glue drawer and work very well to spread the glue about as it come from the 1 pint bottle. I use the small bottle rather than gallon jugs just because of the red spreader top...It is more expensive per ounce but I think more economical considering all the times I use to throw out larger jugs.
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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: glue applicator
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2009, 01:41 PM »
John,

What a great and enjoyable way to "make" glue spreaders!!

Dave R.
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