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Offline glass1

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Impact and PDC update ?
« on: July 15, 2017, 08:55 AM »
When are we getting the 18 volt quiet impact and an update to the pdc?

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 09:38 AM »
We don't have anything to announce about either of those yet. I wouldn't anticipate any announcements in the next 12 months.

Offline mrB

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 10:55 AM »
I know I know. . It's the oldest grumble on the FOG and I rarely use an impact driver. . . But where on earth is Festool's new Impact Driver?? It's genuinely astonishing that they are continuing to omit such a staple of any cordless range, and it must have a significant effect on the general adoption rate of the Festool 18v range.

I'm not hear to rant at Festool, I just can't believe it's been this long and there is still no whisper of a new 18 impact driver. Honestly what are those fools in Germany playing at  [smile]
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 03:59 PM »
I just can't believe it's been this long and there is still no whisper of a new 18 impact driver...

There are definitely whispers...  [wink]

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Offline antss

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2017, 10:01 PM »
While I applaud Mr. Broud for his attitude, was there really a cry from the faithful for a new planex or smaller kapex ?

Really ? 

Where are all these guys hiding out ?

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2017, 10:21 PM »
While I applaud Mr. Broud for his attitude, was there really a cry from the faithful for a new planex or smaller kapex ?

Really ? 

Where are all these guys hiding out ?

I can't speak to the KAPEX, but there's definitely been a desire for a new PLANEX, especially one  that's easier to assemble, lighter, and at a lower price point.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2017, 10:29 PM »
I'd guess lower price is on the wish list of every current and potential customer for every tool you offer    ;D

I frequent one of largest drywall suppliers in the southeast who is also a Festool dealer and they say they don't even sell many planexes.  So I ask again, where are you finding all these folks ?

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2017, 10:36 PM »
@antss The dealer you mentioned might not sell many PLANEXes (PLANI???), but others certainly are.

Offline glass1

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2017, 11:33 PM »
I never met a carpenter who owns a planet. I never met a carpenter who does not own an impact driver. In fact most own more than one. Just sayin

Offline mrB

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 10:27 AM »
There are definitely whispers...  [wink]

Thanks Gary 😊
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Offline antss

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 01:05 PM »
@antss The dealer you mentioned might not sell many PLANEXes (PLANI???), but others certainly are.

Can you tell us what part of the country is using these?   This dealer is all over the southeast.

 I don't see planex or any of the other brands (even the $200-300 knockoffs) on sites around here.  Somebody is clearly buying and using them, I just curious what parts of the country have embraced this ?   FWIW - I was told that hospital contractors are their biggest buyer.

Offline Laminator

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 03:30 PM »
I  have a few impacts and even though that is more than enough, I would like to have a festool one.

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 04:54 PM »
When are we getting the 18 volt quiet impact and an update to the pdc?

Hi
 Basically as Tyler said.....nothing to report. As I am sure you are aware a lot of rumours go around as to what we will be releasing but it is policy not to add to this.
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 05:00 PM »
Unfortunately in these circumstances the minions that end users have contact with, even if they wanted to share, have no information. Any new products are under embargo, and unless you're in senior management at HQ or are directly involved in the production or direct support of the launch, you will likely only hear about new products a few days before the general public.

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 05:01 PM »
@antss The dealer you mentioned might not sell many PLANEXes (PLANI???), but others certainly are.

Can you tell us what part of the country is using these?   This dealer is all over the southeast.

 I don't see planex or any of the other brands (even the $200-300 knockoffs) on sites around here.  Somebody is clearly buying and using them, I just curious what parts of the country have embraced this ?   FWIW - I was told that hospital contractors are their biggest buyer.

Hi
 Festool look at global markets. When the Planex was launched the need for top end extraction was paramount and over the years the market has changed and competitors catch up....hence the reason why the Easy was launched - quick, easy, simple.....and slightly cheaper but the focus is on 1.6m length as this fits most markets
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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 05:06 PM »
While I applaud Mr. Broud for his attitude, was there really a cry from the faithful for a new planex or smaller kapex ?

Really ? 

Where are all these guys hiding out ?

Smaller Kapex seemed like a great idea to me, even the 88 is a fairly big numb machine to cart into a building and up a few flights of stairs everyday so the 60 is a good idea for many tradesmen. Need to cut something wider than the Kapex 60 can manage? Use a HKC.

I don't know about the US but in the UK big sites are starting to crack down on tools that produce loads of dust, sanding drywall produces loads of dust and although its not rated as bad as hardwood or MDF dust its still not good for you so you can bet that there will be more and more drywall done with dust extraction.

I was over in France not so long ago and saw quite a few Giraffe drywall sanders in the hire shop I visited so its obviously something thats becoming far more of a concern there also.

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 05:10 PM »
While I applaud Mr. Broud for his attitude, was there really a cry from the faithful for a new planex or smaller kapex ?

Really ? 

Where are all these guys hiding out ?

Smaller Kapex seemed like a great idea to me, even the 88 is a fairly big numb machine to cart into a building and up a few flights of stairs everyday so the 60 is a good idea for many tradesmen. Need to cut something wider than the Kapex 60 can manage? Use a HKC.

I don't know about the US but in the UK big sites are starting to crack down on tools that produce loads of dust, sanding drywall produces loads of dust and although its not rated as bad as hardwood or MDF dust its still not good for you so you can bet that there will be more and more drywall done with dust extraction.

I was over in France not so long ago and saw quite a few Giraffe drywall sanders in the hire shop I visited so its obviously something thats becoming far more of a concern there also.

......and there you have the reason why the Planex Easy was launched - the market shifted and this was the answer with some key advantages.
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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 05:12 PM »
Unfortunately in these circumstances the minions that end users have contact with, even if they wanted to share, have no information. Any new products are under embargo, and unless you're in senior management at HQ or are directly involved in the production or direct support of the launch, you will likely only hear about new products a few days before the general public.

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 05:13 PM »
No offence, the world is a bottom heavy place, us minions make it go round.

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2017, 05:17 PM »
No offence, the world is a bottom heavy place, us minions make it go round.

...no offence taken at all, it raised a smile and overall I like being a Minion  [wink]
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Offline antss

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2017, 08:32 PM »
..............so this supports Mr. Broud's posting and HQ's decesion.  But, Southern England and France are a long way form the U.S.

Hopefully TylerC can weigh in on the popularity (or not) of these in the USA.


Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: Impact and PDC update ?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 09:21 AM »
I think we sometimes forget that all the Festool markets receive what HQ in Germany decide they are going to release next.
As Phil and others pointed out, that is often dictated by EU law changes or the EU market, not the global market.

For markets outside of Germany, you can either sell these new tools and like any other brand release new tools more frequently even though they don't appeal to everyone.
Or you don't and then there is the perception that you are standing still and falling behind.

Maybe Festool are adapting to the times and trying to appeal to the broader market place instead of releasing TS55s, Domino 500/700, Rotex and Kapex120s?

They released the HK series, updated the ETS 150s and made them brushless, updated the ETS, RTS, DTS sander.
Released the KS60 mitre saw. Bosch, Makita and Metabo all have saws with similar cut capacities.
Now they've announced the cordless sanders.

IMO these latest releases or updates are very "general" market tools
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