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Offline Df1k1

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Tape over hole on TS55
« on: December 03, 2015, 01:12 PM »
I saw on a recent video that some one placed blue painters tape over the hole on the side of the TS55 to improve dust collection.  I thought it was a great idea and then thought why wouldn't Festool place a clear plastic door, for lack of a better term, to remove when it was time to change the blade?  Does tape over the hole improve the dust collection?

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Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 01:22 PM »
Yep, it does improve dust collection. Even better is using the parallel guide accessory : )
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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 01:49 PM »
Yes the tape does make a difference.
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Offline Df1k1

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 02:14 PM »
thanks guys!

Offline joiner1970

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 02:19 PM »
That's funny I had the same thought only today. Might give it a try.

I've been cutting up 9 sheets of 18mm MDF today and for some reason the extraction doesn't seem as good as usual. I'm going through the stack sliding bearers under each sheet as I go. The dust is spraying out from under the sheet. I'm sure cutting on an insulation sheet would trap the dust and collect it better , but as I'm working through a stack of sheets that wouldn't be easy.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 02:29 PM »
Does the cover plate Festool sells improve dust collection?
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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2015, 03:53 PM »
Adjusting down your window should help to maximize dust extraction. Also, a 36mm hose will help as well.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 04:26 PM »
Does the cover plate Festool sells improve dust collection?
Yes it does. It does the same thing as the tape...Engineering left out a piece of plastic when they designed the saw.

The greatest issue with dust collection is when just nipping the edge off a board. That is where you need something that drops to blade height. At some point I will make a magnetic attachment for my Festool side cover plate to further improve dust collection.




Offline Df1k1

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 05:55 PM »
Adjusting down your window should help to maximize dust extraction. Also, a 36mm hose will help as well.

Sorry tyler I'm not sure I get the "adjusting down your window" part.  As for a 36mm hose, does it fit the MidI?  I've seen a lot of chatter about the 36 especially when routing but hadn't given it much thought.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2015, 06:35 PM »
Adjusting down your window should help to maximize dust extraction. Also, a 36mm hose will help as well.

Sorry tyler I'm not sure I get the "adjusting down your window" part.  As for a 36mm hose, does it fit the MidI?  I've seen a lot of chatter about the 36 especially when routing but hadn't given it much thought.

The current version of the (TS 55R) has a removable green splinterguard.  It can be replaced with a clear plastic "window".  Pushing this window all the down helps contain dust.

The D36 hose does fit the CT Mini/Midi vacs.  However, I find dust collection with the TS55 to only be marginally improved with the D36 hose.  With a router or planer it is almost a must have. 
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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 06:37 PM »
Adjusting down your window should help to maximize dust extraction. Also, a 36mm hose will help as well.

Sorry tyler I'm not sure I get the "adjusting down your window" part.  As for a 36mm hose, does it fit the MidI?  I've seen a lot of chatter about the 36 especially when routing but hadn't given it much thought.

 A 36mm hose will fit straight into the top of a Midi no problem.

Offline Df1k1

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2015, 07:06 PM »
Thanks.  That clears it up. I have an older TS 55 and I'm not sure that "window" is available.  Anyway, slapped some painters tape over it and it definitely helps

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2015, 07:23 PM »
Adjusting down your window should help to maximize dust extraction. Also, a 36mm hose will help as well.

Sorry tyler I'm not sure I get the "adjusting down your window" part.  As for a 36mm hose, does it fit the MidI?  I've seen a lot of chatter about the 36 especially when routing but hadn't given it much thought.

Sorry, I was trying to respond from the middle of a trade show. Focus and clarity were not my friend.

I've attached an image of what I mean. If it's pressed against the wood, this should minimize the spread of dust and maximize extraction.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2015, 07:55 PM »
Adjusting down your window should help to maximize dust extraction. Also, a 36mm hose will help as well.
@TylerC I do both of those and the TS55 is still the worst of my owned Festools for dust collection. I am looking for a way to improve that as all the other tools I get great dust collection. I've always used a 36mm hose with the saw and it is better than the 27mm but not really all that great.
Randy

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2015, 08:05 PM »
Does the cover plate Festool sells improve dust collection?
Yes it does. It does the same thing as the tape...Engineering left out a piece of plastic when they designed the saw.

The greatest issue with dust collection is when just nipping the edge off a board. That is where you need something that drops to blade height. At some point I will make a magnetic attachment for my Festool side cover plate to further improve dust collection.
@Peter_C Most of my sawdust seems to escape to the front of the saw (back on the MFT) when cutting, regardless of whether it is just a trim cut or not. Do you think the cover plate will help eliminate some of that? I assume that the cover plate fits low on the saw based on the picture.
Randy

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2015, 08:58 PM »
Anytime you increase suction you will improve dust control. My saw kicks dust forward too. I don't expect 100% collection, but a few design changes would increase it further from what it is now.

Why is it so many tools need modifications or add on parts that they should have come with them?  [unsure]

The first photo shows the clear dust control window mounted to the saw. It also shows how the saw angles up away from the blade to clear for 45* cuts.

Second photo shows the saw with the side doohickey attached. You can see how it closes most of the side of the saw off. For cutting right at the edge of the board a piece of something, mounted where the brown phenolic surface is mounted, that slides down to the saw blade cut depth would greatly enhance dust collection. Seems to me having the phenolic piece slide down wouldn't be that hard, and pretty safe as the blade would just cut it. Kinda like the clear plastic piece at the front of the blade. The saw systainers supplies a relief to drop that part of the saw into so it doesn't retract every time you set it down flat. (The side plate could be used as an edge guide, but I never have. Only time I seem to want to cut like that is for window replacement and I have an old junky saw I use for cutting missed nails.)

Offline grbmds

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2015, 09:58 PM »
Anytime you increase suction you will improve dust control. My saw kicks dust forward too. I don't expect 100% collection, but a few design changes would increase it further from what it is now.

Why is it so many tools need modifications or add on parts that they should have come with them?  [unsure]

The first photo shows the clear dust control window mounted to the saw. It also shows how the saw angles up away from the blade to clear for 45* cuts.

Second photo shows the saw with the side doohickey attached. You can see how it closes most of the side of the saw off. For cutting right at the edge of the board a piece of something, mounted where the brown phenolic surface is mounted, that slides down to the saw blade cut depth would greatly enhance dust collection. Seems to me having the phenolic piece slide down wouldn't be that hard, and pretty safe as the blade would just cut it. Kinda like the clear plastic piece at the front of the blade. The saw systainers supplies a relief to drop that part of the saw into so it doesn't retract every time you set it down flat. (The side plate could be used as an edge guide, but I never have. Only time I seem to want to cut like that is for window replacement and I have an old junky saw I use for cutting missed nails.)

Seems like it obstructs the view of the blade and where you're cutting. That was kind of why I haven't tried it yet and chose to live with the extra sawdust. Does it obstruct the view of anything that would be important when using the saw?
Randy

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2015, 10:53 PM »
Most of the time my cuts are from the beginning of the wood to end of wood, so I do not need to see the cut. In fact I prefer to have the blade covered for safety. When I do need to see the blade it comes off in less than 5 seconds.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2015, 02:57 AM »
Maybe this is a job for someone with a 3d printer ? To make a clip in cover for that hole that can easily be removed for blade changes

Offline Woodwork Wizard

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2015, 03:41 AM »
There is someone selling 3-D printed snap-in covers on eBay for the 55 and 75 saw for about £10. I think their name is Butterfield.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2015, 06:13 AM »
There is someone selling 3-D printed snap-in covers on eBay for the 55 and 75 saw for about £10. I think their name is Butterfield.

Link?
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline jmac80

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2015, 08:21 AM »
There is someone selling 3-D printed snap-in covers on eBay for the 55 and 75 saw for about £10. I think their name is Butterfield.

I got one and it's a bad fit unfortunately.
Seller is very helpful though and is sending me another.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2015, 01:38 PM by jmac80 »
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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2015, 11:32 AM »
Retro fit cover

Did this, this morning. 3/16 thick plexi. And used one of the small Festool knobs which have a longer screw than the original knob.

1st cut 2 piece of plexi one for the face, and one to fit the hole in the saw.

2nd Glue two pieces together. I used CA glue. not super pretty.  will probably paint the whole thing black.

3rd, make and drill holes for knob slot.

4th clean up with Dremel.

5th Original knob not long enough to fit. smaller knob long enough, just sand end to ensure it does not hit the blade on the inside of the saw.

6 Attach to saw



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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2015, 12:05 PM »
Picked up some Krylon fusion black paint (plastic paint). Looks better.

Knob used: Festool 436195 Knob
« Last Edit: December 04, 2015, 12:19 PM by anthonyz »

Offline joiner1970

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2015, 05:46 PM »
There is someone selling 3-D printed snap-in covers on eBay for the 55 and 75 saw for about £10. I think their name is Butterfield.
Yeah I know the guy, keeps coming out with different ideas. Clever guy.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
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Offline worldburger

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2017, 09:52 AM »
Anytime you increase suction you will improve dust control. My saw kicks dust forward too. I don't expect 100% collection, but a few design changes would increase it further from what it is now.

Why is it so many tools need modifications or add on parts that they should have come with them?  [unsure]

The first photo shows the clear dust control window mounted to the saw. It also shows how the saw angles up away from the blade to clear for 45* cuts.

Second photo shows the saw with the side doohickey attached. You can see how it closes most of the side of the saw off. For cutting right at the edge of the board a piece of something, mounted where the brown phenolic surface is mounted, that slides down to the saw blade cut depth would greatly enhance dust collection. Seems to me having the phenolic piece slide down wouldn't be that hard, and pretty safe as the blade would just cut it. Kinda like the clear plastic piece at the front of the blade. The saw systainers supplies a relief to drop that part of the saw into so it doesn't retract every time you set it down flat. (The side plate could be used as an edge guide, but I never have. Only time I seem to want to cut like that is for window replacement and I have an old junky saw I use for cutting missed nails.)

What blade is in your saw in that photo?

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2017, 10:48 AM »
I have a combination of Svar's and Anthonyz's.  I used .080 and .125 black ABS to close up the hole.  Two layers, the .125 one friction fits the hole and the .080 is marginally larger to keep the plug from falling thru.  I have a strip of National Guard Products 1" brush weatherstrip to close the gap along the blade opening and it is fastened at either end using small 8/32 locking knobs.  I've done this to my 55 and 75.  I actually cut much more plastics (acrylic, polycarbonate, ABS, phenolics) than wood and with the above mods, I have minimal kickout of dust.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2017, 11:22 AM »
I got a 3D printed slot cover off the bay (UK) for £8.50 which works great and has been taken off and on many times. Hope posting a link to it is OK (I'm not the seller just a happy bunny who bought one) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fits-Festool-Ts55-Saw-Insert-Increase-Vacuum-Power-Made-By-Feskit-co-uk-/322433978722

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2017, 11:45 AM »
I have a combination of Svar's and Anthonyz's.  I used .080 and .125 black ABS to close up the hole.  Two layers, the .125 one friction fits the hole and the .080 is marginally larger to keep the plug from falling thru.  I have a strip of National Guard Products 1" brush weatherstrip to close the gap along the blade opening and it is fastened at either end using small 8/32 locking knobs.  I've done this to my 55 and 75.  I actually cut much more plastics (acrylic, polycarbonate, ABS, phenolics) than wood and with the above mods, I have minimal kickout of dust.
@rst Any pictures?  Oh, and where did you get the brush weatherstrip?

Thanks, Mike A.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2017, 11:52 AM by mike_aa »

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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2017, 03:25 PM »
What blade is in your saw in that photo?
Oslun blade. They work pretty darn good and at the price point they are at, it is not worth sharpening them.
https://www.amazon.com/Oshlun-SBFT-160048-Crosscut-Festool-SP6000K/dp/B0030GGFRS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489004411&sr=8-1&keywords=oshlun+festool

I have a combination of Svar's and Anthonyz's.  I used .080 and .125 black ABS to close up the hole.  Two layers, the .125 one friction fits the hole and the .080 is marginally larger to keep the plug from falling thru.  I have a strip of National Guard Products 1" brush weatherstrip to close the gap along the blade opening and it is fastened at either end using small 8/32 locking knobs.  I've done this to my 55 and 75.  I actually cut much more plastics (acrylic, polycarbonate, ABS, phenolics) than wood and with the above mods, I have minimal kickout of dust.
I would like to see pics too please.

Any pictures?  Oh, and where did you get the brush weatherstrip?

Thanks, Mike A.
The brush weatherstrip can be had from Fastcap, and Amazon, along with other places I am sure.

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Re: Tape over hole on TS55
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2017, 04:18 PM »
I'm having issues attaching pictures, something to do with how they are saved.   this is not the NGP one that I used but is similar.  Amazon Pemko Door Bottom Sweep, Clear Anodized Aluminum with 1" Gray Nylon Brush insert, 0.25"W x 1.875" H x 48" L
this is not the NGP one that I used but is similar.