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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 09:16 PM » |
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Just used them for some new jambs in my house on the recommendation of a GC friend of mine. Worked great and allowed me a bit of extra adjustment in an old house that's not exactly plumb in the spots it should be.
The holes are a bit bigger than a 15g nail, but nothing terrible.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 09:17 PM » |
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used the cabinet screws, number 8. snapped a bunch.
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Tim Morris
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 09:18 PM » |
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They rock. I carry about 6 sizes on the trailer. Use them almost daily. They will hold or pull joint together far better that a nail. Just be sure to not oversize your pre-drilled hole or you loose the little advantage there is in the size of the head of the screw.
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RonMiller
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 10:17 PM » |
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I've just used them for the first time on a medium sized commercial job and really loved them. The only bad part was my local supplier didn't have enough of the ideal size.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 10:50 PM » |
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Thanks, I think I'll give them a try.
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Chris Hughes
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 11:15 PM » |
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I have used the GRK lineup for ten years now. They are by far the best screws in my arsenal, I would go as far as to say that any contractor I have worked for has at least included some GRK in their screw collection after I introduced them.
I have seen guys not know which screw to use and end up either breaking tips or screws. It is also advised to use a predrill in hardwood and I always clamp my styles when hanging cabinetry.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2011, 01:09 PM » |
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I've used thousands of GRK cabinet screws, and snapping one is just about as rare as a full moon. You should have a pilot hole in everything harder that alder, and to be fair to GRK every single time I've snapped one I knew it was going to happen and tried it anyway, lol. Maple and hickory cabinets work best when you screw on your slowest speed. The trim screws can be handy, and if you pre-drill they countersink themselves very nicely because the head is barely bigger than the pilot-hole. About the only thing I've used the trim screws for is when you need to "reach" for a stud at the end of a cabinet run (and the head is going to show). When I've used them in door jambs I still felt that the hole is just too big, but if you make sure that they will be behind the stops they work fine.
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Bill Hendrix
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2011, 03:50 PM » |
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Will you GRK experts please list which GRK screws you use and in what applications? Pics would be awesome, too. Thanks!!
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2011, 04:16 PM » |
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Will you GRK experts please list which GRK screws you use and in what applications? Pics would be awesome, too. Thanks!!
I use ...... R4s for all general purpose woodworking and fastening. Pan heads for pocket holes. Cabinet screws for hanging cabinets, attaching table tops built in sideboard tops etc, and adjustable drawer fronts. I put them through Domino slots for adjustment and/or wood movement allowance. I have some trim heads but have not had the occasion to use them yet. Seth |
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Bill Hendrix
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2011, 04:40 PM » |
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Thanks, Seth!! Cabinet screws through a domino slot is brilliant!!
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2011, 05:54 PM » |
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I ordered a quarter keg of grk trim head screws. Hope they are awesome.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2011, 06:02 PM » |
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Do most of you order them off the internet?
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mishle
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 06:19 PM » |
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I ordered mine from Fastenal
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2011, 07:19 PM » |
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I ordered mine from Fastenal
I tried to order R4s through Fastenal, only to find that the price doubled over the published GRK price list. Cancelled that order, then ordered R4s through Rockler. I really like Seth's idea of using cabinet screws through Domino slots. I've been using the cabinet screws for about a year, and have never snapped one, unlike the cheap junk screws made in China. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2011, 07:26 PM » |
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I noticed the local Lee Valley started stocking GRK in the store. I haven't seen them on the web site yet. I will be picking some the next trip... I'll have to try Seth's domino trick too!
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2011, 09:53 PM » |
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Do most of you order them off the internet?
A store near me has a few. But I mostly get them on the internet. I have had trouble finding a place that has the full line in stock (not just listed for sale) this place has had the most , and possibly has the full line. Last time I ordered everything came, no back orders. http://www.buygrkfasteners.com/Seth |
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2011, 10:16 PM » |
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All of my local lumber yards carry a large selection of GRK, though I have ordered big boxes through Fasteners Inc. I carry three sizes of cabinet head screws, 1 1/4, 1 3/4, and 2 3/4, three sizes of trim head 1 1/2, 2 1/2, and 3, I also keep a stock of their all purpose sizes for general use.
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2011, 10:36 PM » |
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All of my local lumber yards carry a large selection of GRK, though I have ordered big boxes through Fasteners Inc. I carry three sizes of cabinet head screws, 1 1/4, 1 3/4, and 2 3/4, three sizes of trim head 1 1/2, 2 1/2, and 3, I also keep a stock of their all purpose sizes for general use.
I am lucky too, my lumber yard (one block away) carry's the full line. I use the trim screws for everything. Just used a bunch yesterday wrapping a box beam with Miratec on a front porch. I have put up many beam wraps on cathedral ceilings with the trim screws. I don't trust 15ga nails to hold up 13"W x 30' long maple wraps, no way. I also like how you can tweak the material in and out a little because of the reverse threads right before the head of the screw. I bet I carry 300.00 worth of GRK's in my SYS box. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 08:40 AM » |
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All of my local lumber yards carry a large selection of GRK,
I wish that was the case here. Only a couple seem to carry any, and the selections are very limited, at best. To make it worse, some countermen don't check carefully, and when I get there to pick up what was said to be in stock, I find that they didn't ever have what I wanted. Another wasted trip and an hour (or more) lost.  |
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2011, 10:13 AM » |
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All of my local lumber yards carry a large selection of GRK,
I wish that was the case here. Only a couple seem to carry any, and the selections are very limited, at best. To make it worse, some countermen don't check carefully, and when I get there to pick up what was said to be in stock, I find that they didn't ever have what I wanted. Another wasted trip and an hour (or more) lost. try emailing GRK and complaining about your local yards selection. I did that a couple times and now they have everything. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 10:27 AM » |
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I wish that was the case here. Only a couple seem to carry any, and the selections are very limited, at best. To make it worse, some countermen don't check carefully, and when I get there to pick up what was said to be in stock, I find that they didn't ever have what I wanted. Another wasted trip and an hour (or more) lost. Not sure where you are in NOVA. When I was in Smoot Lumber last month, they now had a good selection of GRK. Didn't use to carry them that I recall. There was some small place waaaaay down Rt 1 that did, but I'm not sure if they do anymore (or are around) Here's their retail list for VAHere's their retail list for VA |
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2011, 11:46 AM » |
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I wish that was the case here. Only a couple seem to carry any, and the selections are very limited, at best. To make it worse, some countermen don't check carefully, and when I get there to pick up what was said to be in stock, I find that they didn't ever have what I wanted. Another wasted trip and an hour (or more) lost. Not sure where you are in NOVA. When I was in Smoot Lumber last month, they now had a good selection of GRK. Didn't use to carry them that I recall. There was some small place waaaaay down Rt 1 that did, but I'm not sure if they do anymore (or are around) Here's their retail list for VAHere's their retail list for VALast time I was at Smoot's they didn't, but that was several years ago, so it's good to know that they're a potential supplier. Thanks for that info. Tart is my closest supplier, and generally a good one, and usually has what I need - except the GRKs. TW Perry in Leesburg said they had the R4s and didn't. For other things, they're pretty good if Tart or Sheets in Sterling don't have what I need. Woodcraft in Leesburg or Springfield are decent, but don't carry GRKs. They have a bunch of crappy, Chinese-made screws that snap off easily. Darcy, I'll give your suggestion a whack. Maybe Tart can be persuaded to carry a better selection. Thanks for that. And thanks to Seth for the link. They're a good alternative in any case.  |
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2011, 01:00 PM » |
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Last time I was at Smoot's they didn't, but that was several years ago, so it's good to know that they're a potential supplier. Thanks for that info. Tart is my closest supplier, and generally a good one, and usually has what I need - except the GRKs. TW Perry in Leesburg said they had the R4s and didn't. For other things, they're pretty good if Tart or Sheets in Sterling don't have what I need. Woodcraft in Leesburg or Springfield are decent, but don't carry GRKs. They have a bunch of crappy, Chinese-made screws that snap off easily. I don't remember Smoot carrying them before. Which was how I wound up trekking down Rt 1. I think they must be carrying some new gear lately. Seemed to be an improved hardware/tool section from what they used to have. You might also try these guys in Frederick. If you are out in Leesburg, they might be the closest to you. https://www.carlsonsystems.com/ |
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2011, 05:58 AM » |
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I always use the Heco screws, I still think they are the best, never snapped a single one! But GRK looks like they make decent suff though. René |
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