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Offline cfullen

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best wood species for interior doors
« on: May 25, 2015, 07:26 PM »
Hey guys.

I've been asked to build a set of bi-fold french doors with glass "lites".  Normally I would use poplar laminated to 1 3/4" thick, but I am concerned that any warping will make these doors look horrible.  What is the most stable wood for interior doors?  We are painting them, so apearance is not a concern. 

Thanks in advance!

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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2015, 07:43 PM »
QSWO or mahogany.

Tom

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2015, 07:48 PM »
QSWO or mahogany.

Tom

To paint?  Granted I paint a lot of mahogany screen doors.

Soft maple would be my choice.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2015, 07:58 PM »
QSWO or mahogany.

Tom

To paint?  Granted I paint a lot of mahogany screen doors.

Soft maple would be my choice.

That would work also.

Tom

Offline cfullen

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2015, 08:05 PM »
Soft maple?  I guess I have never thought about this as a product used for large projects.  I actually was thinking about using Mahogany. 

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2015, 08:07 PM »
Soft maple?  I guess I have never thought about this as a product used for large projects.  I actually was thinking about using Mahogany.

Tool it before you cut it to size. Give it a week or so after tooling.

Tom

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2015, 08:16 PM »
I have painted hard maple as well.

As tom said, mill it just over sized and let it sit for a week stickered.

Doors require well dressed and prepared stock.

Offline cfullen

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2015, 08:27 PM »
Isnt there a user on here that makes some awesome doors?  I think I have come across his projects in the past, but have not had luck finding him.


Offline JimD

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 08:42 PM »
Letting the wood settle after milling to rough dimensions makes sense.  Wood commonly moves as material is removed.  Laminating would help since each layer is unlikely to want to move the same way.  Getting quarter sawn material would also help.  You can recognize it by looking at the end grain.  Quarter sawn material will have growth rings that go almost straight across the end grain.  If the board is flat, the grain rings would go top to bottom.  Flatsawn material will have quarter sawn material, or nearly so, in the center board. 

If you need to use material that is not quarter sawn, looking for a ratio of tangential to radial shrinkage nearly one will minimize movement.  Sassafras, Hickory and Walnut are all around 1.5.  Most woods are nearly 2.  Poplar is not bad at 8.2 Tangential and 4.6 Radial or a little over 1.5.  Poplar also paints and machines well.  It would be my first choice. 

Movement from moisture doesn't happen, of course, unless moisture level changes.  Finishing all the surfaces can minimize moisture changes in the wood.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2015, 08:57 PM »
I make a lot of doors.

The link is mahogany, the photo is QSWO.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tbadernwi/CSAP?noredirect=1

Tom

Offline cfullen

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 09:05 PM »
Tom, that is some beautiful work!  Thank you for sharing with me. 

I lived in Indiana for a long time.  Miss that place sometimes. 

Offline Billedis

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 09:09 PM »
If I am going to paint the doors, I would not want to use QSWO, mahogany, or walnut as why would you want to cover up that beautiful wood.  I would use doug fir as it is less expensive, and what I have encountered, pretty stable.  Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.  Bill

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 09:16 PM »
I can get QSWO easier than VGDF. I get mine directly from the mill at a really good price.

Tom

Offline w802h

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2015, 09:41 PM »
Different woods paint differently.  Maple or Poplar tend to paint smoother than coarser grains like Doug Fir - not that one is more correct - just different looks.  If you aren't adverse to laminating, could you veneer hardwood onto an LSL or LVL core?

Offline cfullen

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2015, 10:04 PM »
I certainly could veneer hardwood onto a lvl core, but I would rather avoid that if I can.  I would rather use 8/4 lumber that does not require laminations if I can. 

The more reading I do, I am leaning towards QSWO.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2015, 10:47 PM »
I certainly could veneer hardwood onto a lvl core, but I would rather avoid that if I can.  I would rather use 8/4 lumber that does not require laminations if I can. 

The more reading I do, I am leaning towards QSWO.

Not sure where you moved to but this is the go to for QSWO (Union City, Indiana);

http://www.frankmiller.com

Tom

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2015, 10:48 PM »
I have 3- 2.25" QSWO french doors waiting for glass. The material cam from FML.

Tom

Offline cfullen

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2015, 10:55 PM »
I moved way far away from there.  Unfortunately too far to make the drive make sense.  If this project hit me a month ago, and we had this talk.  I would have made a trip for the 500 and some wood!

Offline Cheese

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2015, 12:01 PM »
I make a lot of doors.

The link is mahogany, the photo is QSWO.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tbadernwi/CSAP?noredirect=1

Tom

The mahogany door is stunning.

Is there a reason you miterd the rail & stile rather than straight cut them? I assume it's to pick up the angles of the floating panel.

Did you do anything additional to prevent the mitres from opening?

Offline Billedis

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 02:22 PM »
I can get QSWO easier than VGDF. I get mine directly from the mill at a really good price.

Tom

I sure wish Indiana was closer to me as I love QSWO.  Thanks Tom.  Bill

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2015, 03:09 PM »
I make a lot of doors.

The link is mahogany, the photo is QSWO.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tbadernwi/CSAP?noredirect=1

Tom

The mahogany door is stunning.

Is there a reason you miterd the rail & stile rather than straight cut them? I assume it's to pick up the angles of the floating panel.

Did you do anything additional to prevent the mitres from opening?

Here is a link to the entire build and install. The first frame is the drawing I received, the architect drew it with mitered corners. That was not the biggest issue, it was labeled as 26" instead of 2/6-------oooooopppppppppsssssssssssss.

There is a picture of the 10x50 Dominos that were used in the corners to keep them joined. If the job would have moved forward with the original design the mitered corners added $17.14 to the cost of each panel.

I did not find out about the dimension error until the evening before I was to install the prototypes----in Cleveland. There are pics of how I solved the problem.

Due to budget, we did the job using flush off the shelf luan doors. Brought the job down from 500K to 150K.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tbadernwi/ClevelandRocks

Tom

Offline Cheese

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2015, 06:18 PM »

Here is a link to the entire build and install. The first frame is the drawing I received, the architect drew it with mitered corners. That was not the biggest issue, it was labeled as 26" instead of 2/6-------oooooopppppppppsssssssssssss.

There is a picture of the 10x50 Dominos that were used in the corners to keep them joined. If the job would have moved forward with the original design the mitered corners added $17.14 to the cost of each panel.

I did not find out about the dimension error until the evening before I was to install the prototypes----in Cleveland. There are pics of how I solved the problem.

Due to budget, we did the job using flush off the shelf luan doors. Brought the job down from 500K to 150K.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tbadernwi/ClevelandRocks

Tom

Good save with the end spacers... [not worthy]
Hey, 26" or 2' 6" what's a few inches between friends? You're just too picky [poke]
Loose Dominos, [eek] you said you never use loose Dominos, tight & tight if I remember correctly.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2015, 06:29 PM »

Here is a link to the entire build and install. The first frame is the drawing I received, the architect drew it with mitered corners. That was not the biggest issue, it was labeled as 26" instead of 2/6-------oooooopppppppppsssssssssssss.

There is a picture of the 10x50 Dominos that were used in the corners to keep them joined. If the job would have moved forward with the original design the mitered corners added $17.14 to the cost of each panel.

I did not find out about the dimension error until the evening before I was to install the prototypes----in Cleveland. There are pics of how I solved the problem.

Due to budget, we did the job using flush off the shelf luan doors. Brought the job down from 500K to 150K.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tbadernwi/ClevelandRocks

Tom

Good save with the end spacers... [not worthy]
Hey, 26" or 2' 6" what's a few inches between friends? You're just too picky [poke]
Loose Dominos, [eek] you said you never use loose Dominos, tight & tight if I remember correctly.

Thank you, good thing they had extra wall covering.

The picture is captioned "Domino loose tenon joints". The type of joinery the Domino creates is loose tenon joinery. That a look at the picture, you can see all 4 mortices were cut on the tight setting. On 45º corners getting tight Dominos to come together is a lot of fun, done it many many times.

Tom

Offline Cheese

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2015, 06:35 PM »

Thank you, good thing they had extra wall covering.

The picture is captioned "Domino loose tenon joints". The type of joinery the Domino creates is loose tenon joinery. That a look at the picture, you can see all 4 mortices were cut on the tight setting. On 45º corners getting tight Dominos to come together is a lot of fun, done it many many times.

Tom

Gotcha, forgot about the Festool semantics.

So, you're a man of your word...tight & tight, and I am impressed with using it on the 45's. [not worthy]

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2015, 06:39 PM »
Not bad on that door due to length and width, on an 8' tall 4"x4" post it can be challenging to pop in the last joint.

Tom

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2015, 10:49 AM »
Ditto on the Fir for painted interior doors
Loving the Calif sun....

Offline jaguar36

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2015, 01:46 PM »
Those doors look awesome.  Did you have any issues getting even clamping pressure?  Looks like made a massive caul type thing.
Due to budget, we did the job using flush off the shelf luan doors. Brought the job down from 500K to 150K.
How many doors is that for?

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: best wood species for interior doors
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2015, 02:00 PM »
Those doors look awesome.  Did you have any issues getting even clamping pressure?  Looks like made a massive caul type thing.
Due to budget, we did the job using flush off the shelf luan doors. Brought the job down from 500K to 150K.
How many doors is that for?

Thank you.

No problem with the clamping pressure.

230 rooms, 460 bi-pass door panels.

Tom