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Offline Drich

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Blum Hinge install
« on: May 15, 2016, 07:16 PM »
Hello all

I'm new to the LR-32 system and watched Eric's videos on the Poplar Shop channel and used his measurements for the hinges. I thought all Euro hinges were the same but they are not. I have made 2 cabinets so I will need to get his hinges so that they will work with my holes.

 I bought some Blum hinges off eBay but no instructions were sent. I can't seem to find the information on where to drill the holes for them. They have a number on them 70T559. When I google that number I can find them but no instructions. Has anyone used these before? Thanks

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Offline Brandon

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2016, 07:31 PM »
I typically bore mine 21mm to the center of the 35mm cup hole, 12.5mm deep. Here's a link though. Download the brochure, it will tell you everything you want to know

http://www.blum.com/us/en/01/20/30/
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 07:42 PM by Brandon »

Offline Brandon

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2016, 07:37 PM »
I was assuming you were talking about boring the doors also. The hinge plates on the cabinets to be set back 37mm from the front edge, give or take a mm or so

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2016, 07:57 PM »
70T559   or71T559 ?  I couldn't find a hinge with that number with 70 in the catalog.

In short the mounting plate height and the desired overlay will change the bore distance for the hinge. The mounting plate hole locations should be the same 37mm from the front edge of the cabinet with 32mm spacing.


Seth

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2016, 08:04 PM »
Here is the chart for the 71T559.



H column is the mounting plate height. Cross with overlay and get bore distance at bottom.

Although info can be found online, I find that having the hard copy Blum hinge catalog very handy.

Seth

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2016, 08:15 PM »
It is a 70T559 hinge. I did put the hole in the cabinet at 37mm from the edge. I think it needs to go back a little more to work. Going to order some others to work with the holes I already have drilled. Just trying to copy the ones Eric made in the LR 32 series of videos. Thanks

Offline polarsea1

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2016, 02:08 AM »
If you are seeing a gap between the door and the cabinet don't try to move the mounting plate back, that gap is always there with Euro hinges if you have much overlay. The hinge body protrudes a certain amount, put a bumper on the handle side. If you get the door too close to the cabinet on the hinge side it won't close all the way.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2016, 08:40 AM »
The hinge is adjustable. The screw farthest from the cup will move the door in or out depending on the direction you turn it.

You do need door bumpers, I prefer stem bumpers over stick ons.

Tom

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2016, 09:04 PM »
I did stop by Woodcraft today and got some help on picking up some full overlay hinges that mount 37mm from the cabinet edge. I Lined up the news ones nexted to the old ones which seem to have a 7-8 mm deeper mounting set back. I might send Blum a email to find out what do I have here.

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2016, 09:35 PM »
You have 2 different versions of clip top hinges .One screws onto the door and has a plate for #6 wood screws. The other is "inserta" which locks into predrilled holes on door using no other fasteners. That was has a screw-on plate that takes #7 screws or 5mm euro screws. (Without seeing the hinge,)  you could say they both accomplish the exact same thing

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2016, 09:43 PM »
Another point...the number on the hinge cup is only that...it is not necessarily the number of the hinge, just the cup. Different hinges use some of the same cups. (Always confusing)

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2016, 09:51 PM »
Ok thanks for that info. I will have to play around with some scraps to find how far back from the edge to drill the holes in the cabinet.

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2016, 10:37 PM »
Edge of 35 mm hole is frequently 3mm, sometimes 4mm or more.

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2016, 10:40 PM »
Another thing..don't drill 8mm holes if you plan on screwing on the hinge (unless you also plan on using plastic dowels. 8mm holes work with inserta style hinges.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2016, 01:09 AM »
You do need door bumpers, I prefer stem bumpers over stick ons.

Tom
Tom, do you have a link for the stem bumpers you like to use? A part number I can transfer would be just as appreciated. Thanks!

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2016, 11:11 AM »
Thanks again for the info. Now I just need to find the set back for the cabinet panel for the mounting plate

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2016, 11:42 AM »
Thanks again for the info. Now I just need to find the set back for the cabinet panel for the mounting plate

Can you take a picture and post it of the issue you're trying to resolve? If not explain the issue you're trying to resolve? All of the Blum back plates I haver installed are set back 37 mm from the front edge of the panel face. I have a Blum field jig that catches the front edge of the panel with pilot holes at 37 mm.

Tom

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2016, 11:50 AM »
You do need door bumpers, I prefer stem bumpers over stick ons.

Tom
Tom, do you have a link for the stem bumpers you like to use? A part number I can transfer would be just as appreciated. Thanks!

@Peter_C

I use the clear ones, order them by the 1000 quantity.

http://woodworker.com/clear-5mm-stem-bumper-mssu-118-220.asp

Tom

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2016, 12:19 PM »

I use the clear ones, order them by the 1000 quantity.


Thanks for the post Tom, I've always used the stick-on variety and they sooner or later, always fall off.

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2016, 01:18 PM »
My problem is the door sticks out to far due to the hinge plate that I mounted 37mm from the edge. As you can see in the picture I line up the cups and the one hinge is longer which pushes out the door. I'm thinking it needs like a 46 mm set back.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2016, 02:09 PM »
My problem is the door sticks out to far due to the hinge plate that I mounted 37mm from the edge. As you can see in the picture I line up the cups and the one hinge is longer which pushes out the door. I'm thinking it needs like a 46 mm set back.

I see no picture of the hinge mount/door mounted on the case.

Tom

Offline Brandon

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2016, 02:10 PM »
The only hinge plates I've had to put on setback further than 37mm are for using angled door hinges

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2016, 02:16 PM »
My problem is the door sticks out to far due to the hinge plate that I mounted 37mm from the edge. As you can see in the picture I line up the cups and the one hinge is longer which pushes out the door. I'm thinking it needs like a 46 mm set back.

@Drich

Question---please don't be insulted, it is something I would question of myself if I was having problems.

Are you sure the holes are at 37 mm not 27 mm?

Tom

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2016, 03:09 PM »
You are assuming one has the plate holes mounted further back because you are lining up the front flanges of the cups of 2 different hinges. Disregard that. It is 37mm setback for a large majority of blum hinges

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2016, 03:18 PM »
Of the hinges that you have paired together, the one one the left is a 110 or 120 °, (can't see back), and the one on right is a 110°+ or 120°+
hinge. There is a difference in the way they swing and they can't be used together. The pc of hardware on the far right is the back of the right hand 0mm plate which has been unnecessarily removed.

Offline morts10n

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2016, 03:27 PM »
The difference between 71t559 and 70t559 is that one is free swinging and one is self closing.
Hope we are being helpful! !

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2016, 04:13 PM »
You do need door bumpers, I prefer stem bumpers over stick ons.

Tom
Tom, do you have a link for the stem bumpers you like to use? A part number I can transfer would be just as appreciated. Thanks!

@Peter_C

I use the clear ones, order them by the 1000 quantity.

http://woodworker.com/clear-5mm-stem-bumper-mssu-118-220.asp

Tom
Thank you Tom, that is very much appreciated :)

I didn't even know there was an alternative to the stick on, fall off, variety.

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2016, 08:02 PM »
I do have it at 37mm. I put the other blum hinges I picked up and they fit fine. Going to try a 46 mm set back on a scape piece and see how that turns out. Thanks everyone.

Offline Drich

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2016, 06:52 PM »
Just a update on the mystery hinges. I did send Blum a email and they got back to right away. I sent them a picture of it and the set back is 43 mm on this hinge. It has a 15 mm overlay. thanks to all.

Offline Jhallawayco

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2017, 09:00 PM »
Always make a mock up. IMO

Offline bryan1982

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Re: Blum Hinge install
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2017, 03:41 AM »
Always make a mock up. IMO

I think this blum hinge is an ikea blum hinge they are a different drilling to the normal blum ones

Cheers

Bryan

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