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Im thinking of using some Rafix connectors on the carcases that I build rather than screws or cam and dowel fittings that I usually use. Anyone here that regularly uses Rafix who can advise on which ones are better to use the single hole ones or the double hole.   |
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 07:30 PM » |
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Without a line boring /drilling insertion machine or CNC the single hole Rafix are easier to use and install using a hand held jig or drill press.
If I am using chipboard melamine I still like to use the double hole Rafix fittings because the corners of the hole in chip board can blow out and if so you still have the back part of the rafix as insurance.
The double hole Rafix can be a pain (getting the two holes to line up) to fit if you don't use a good jig where the single Rafix are easier to drill with a drill press or even a hand held jig.
Hope that helps.
Tim
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 10:47 PM » |
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Thanks for the link to that magazine. Some interesting projects there. Tim |
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2012, 03:23 AM » |
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I've been playing with the numbers at the end of that URL. I think it's time to improve my German ... but they're great little magazines! THANKS!!! |
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 03:58 AM » |
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It was the Guido henn videos that got me thinking of using rafiix .
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2012, 06:24 AM » |
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This seems like a really great publication! Any chance there is an English translation or similar publication for us non-German speaking folks? John
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 06:58 AM » |
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Since my German doesn't go past schnitzel and strudel. I have had some success translating the docs using http://www.onlinedoctranslator.com/translator.htmlI believe it uses google translate but does large files unlike a lot of other online translating services (and it's free).. though as it is translated by machine not a human there is the odd untranslatable word and you need to decypher the literal tranlation into something akin to standard english.. but I can do that last part a lot easier than translating german  cheers Andrew |
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 07:40 AM » |
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Im thinking of using some Rafix connectors on the carcases that I build rather than screws or cam and dowel fittings that I usually use. Anyone here that regularly uses Rafix who can advise on which ones are better to use the single hole ones or the double hole. I used the double hole ones, made a jig out of mdf very easily. Fist thing I did was drill through a sheet of MDF and get the hole spacing exact (big hole and smaller top hole). Just comes down to good marking out, use a small brad to make a starting mark. Once I had the holes drilled, I glued a bit on the underside of the jig, which butts up to the bottom edge of the fixing. Use a fast setting glue, its to get the positioning spot on, once dried screwed it in place. Then I drilled through the big hole again, this time its goes through the bit you glued on also. It depends on the wood, for MDF or Ply I would use the double hole fixers, since the bottom hole cuts through the edge of the material, if tgere is going to be some force on it, it will help prevent it tearing out. Here is what I used them for (to attached the top half)  |
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 01:30 PM » |
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Cheers Matt that's exactly what I would do, similar to the jig in the Guido Henn videos or I might make it in Phenolic plastic if I have any offcuts left. I realized that the same jig can be used to drill the 5mm hole in the connecting panel (side) too as the position is exactly the same as the 20mm hole you just change the cutter to 5mm, if you haven't got an LR32 set
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 04:26 PM » |
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anyone know of a source for these connecters in the uk?(a source that does not require trade quanties to be bought),
ironmongerydirect.com sell them but do not seem to stock the double ended bolts,only the single ended ones.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 05:55 PM » |
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Skinee there's a few but www.daro.com is one , I've not used them but they look good. Hafele do them as well |
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 09:21 PM » |
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Here is what I used them for (to attached the top half)
Looks good. Curious why you needed to have knockdown fixtures on that cabinet top? Are you moving it around a lot? Tim |
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 03:18 AM » |
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anyone know of a source for these connecters in the uk?(a source that does not require trade quanties to be bought),
ironmongerydirect.com sell them but do not seem to stock the double ended bolts,only the single ended ones.
There are quite a few haffele associated retail outlets who sell them one at a time, Like http://www.tandsarchitectural.co.uk/productDetail.asp?PID=44424&categoryID=5797&feedID=1 |
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 03:44 AM » |
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Hi Skinee,
Give Slingers a ring , ask for Chris and they will get you them .
John
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2012, 04:07 AM » |
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Here is what I used them for (to attached the top half)
Looks good. Curious why you needed to have knockdown fixtures on that cabinet top? Are you moving it around a lot? Tim Its kids sized, the two white portions were sprayed MDF, so didn't want to mask, so had to fix the two halves together anyway, wanted to try some new fixings! |
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2012, 07:35 PM » |
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Cool. In case you didn't know, they do make those fittings in white. The body is plastic but the cam fitting is and bolts are metal.
Tim
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 11:25 AM » |
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Well,
I like the double hole because they are self aligning (we have CNC technology so the holes are perfect). We use them all the time.
Ted
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 04:07 PM » |
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Matt, could you please upload the pics of your jig made with MDF.
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 08:59 AM » |
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Matt, could you please upload the pics of your jig made with MDF.
so I can't get to the jig right now but this is basic design.. sorry for the crappy picture, drew it quickly in Microsoft word  |
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Hi all, I have now completed 4 Sysports and 21 foot of clostets with the Hettich VB connectors and I must say it is very efficient and easy, even if you own a Domino, since there's no gluing and clamping involved. The best and easiest way to drill those holes (except for CNC) is this Hettich DrillJig VB and your Festool hand drill: http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166I tried two different jigs, but in the end I would really recommend the Hettich and the 150 EUR are well invested, especially if you have to drill 12 holes per closet body. I have not once made an error on the above projects. The connector I would recommend is the nickel plated VB 36MD/19 for 19 mm thickness (or the 16 for 16mm). The M version is the one with mounting aid that puts the screw in dowel in the centre: http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166 |
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2012, 09:54 AM » |
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Could you post some pictures of completed projects. I ordered the jig and it should be tomorrow. thanks
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2012, 12:18 PM » |
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Hi all, I have now completed 4 Sysports and 21 foot of clostets with the Hettich VB connectors and I must say it is very efficient and easy, even if you own a Domino, since there's no gluing and clamping involved. The best and easiest way to drill those holes (except for CNC) is this Hettich DrillJig VB and your Festool hand drill: http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166I tried two different jigs, but in the end I would really recommend the Hettich and the 150 EUR are well invested, especially if you have to drill 12 holes per closet body. I have not once made an error on the above projects. The connector I would recommend is the nickel plated VB 36MD/19 for 19 mm thickness (or the 16 for 16mm). The M version is the one with mounting aid that puts the screw in dowel in the centre: http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166is there a easy to follow guide to usin g these type of conectors. does that jig also drill the hole in the side piece or do you need anouther jig. i have a job coming up that would suite this jig anda few syports to try it out on first |
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2012, 12:23 PM » |
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Matt, could you please upload the pics of your jig made with MDF.
so I can't get to the jig right now but this is basic design.. sorry for the crappy picture, drew it quickly in Microsoft word That is the exact jig I would have built. I have jig like that for drilling holes for euro hinges, works like a charm. |
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Alan: it will take you five minutes to setup and the instructions are really just one page: http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/addon/montage/20444_Drill_Jig_VB.pdf;jsessionid=BCC87FBCD09C1DFF7AACFE3511302DBCThe only thing you have to adjust is the drill depth (depending on the 16 or 19 mm connector) and the drill distance from the edge. The jig has a red bolt on both sides that can be lifted for reference from the edge, which is the easiest way to use it. You get two parts if you order the jig, the black plastic jig on the left is for drilling the screw in dowel or if you have the LR 32 it can be set to fit the connector. I usually adjust the hole drilling to the connectors. |
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 03:22 PM » |
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Do you have pictures of the closet and sysports you can post for reference?
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2012, 07:06 PM » |
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thanks festooler.
looks like a great jig to have . i like the homemade jigs but they take a lot of setting up of routers and swaping machines in your hands and a lot slower to just drill a fogoten hole
i am not a fan of the furniture you usually see made with these type of knock down systems. what is you opinion on the strength of the joint.
i think i would domino the joint as well to support everything.
looking at the black plastic part i presum you cant use it in the middle of a panel for a shelf etc
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ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130
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of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2012, 03:05 AM » |
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thanks festooler.
looks like a great jig to have . i like the homemade jigs but they take a lot of setting up of routers and swaping machines in your hands and a lot slower to just drill a fogoten hole
i am not a fan of the furniture you usually see made with these type of knock down systems. what is you opinion on the strength of the joint.
i think i would domino the joint as well to support everything.
looking at the black plastic part i presum you cant use it in the middle of a panel for a shelf etc
I hesitated when building the Sysports (a little over 3 feet high) with 19 mm particle board and thought about Dominos too, but even with just the top and bottom jointed with the VB 36 it is a very strong joint! And as much as I love the Domino, these joints are just so fast and easy to use. The biggest advantage is of course design and build in the shop and than quickly assemble at site, as well as for narrow build ins. Yes you can't use it for the middle panel, but since the Drilljig is set to 37 mm (from the edge) it will fit the 32 mm hole drilling system. Here's the Sketchup model of the Sysport, I'll post some photos later:  |
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