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I want to run post formed 40mm laminate worktop along a 5 metre straight wall. The worktop will be in 3 equal pieces, the centre piece is 700mm wide and the pieces either side will be 600mm. I want to joint the worktop in such a way that the post-formed edge runs along the entire front edge INCLUDING the two 100mm side returns. I've seen that the way to do this is on each of the 100mm side returns of the centre worktop is to let-in a small piece (just over 100mm) length of worktop (with the post-formed edge). Once this is done you can then joint the three main pieces by cutting a standard joint (female on the centre, male on the outer pieces).
Has anyone done this on-site before? I know the principle involved to let-in the two small return pieces but it's the actual setting up of the jig to cut it precisely. I'd be using a Trend 600 series jig. I've plenty experience in cutting worktop joints, but I've not done this 'joint' before.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 03:53 AM » |
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It may be the wine - it's a lovely Sunday afternoon here - but I'm having trouble visualising this ... Is the problem joining one top to another? I don't quite get it!
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 04:15 AM » |
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Kev
If you joint (so the back edges are flush) post-formed worktops of unequal width (as in this case) then where the wider width worktop sticks forward you end up with a side return edge of the core showing. To over come this you would normal have to apply some stick-on laminate edging. However, the downside of that is that it would not be a post-formed edge. It's possible to joint a small piece of worktop, with a post=formed edge, onto the side return. That method allows the post-formed edge to run along the whole of the front edge of the worktop INCLUDING the side return.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 04:39 AM » |
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I would just use a solid surface work top. Laminate does not warrant that sort of attention IMHO. or there is a company that's does this on a CNC machine but the name escapes me Found it http://www.cotops.ltd.uk/postform.html |
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 04:54 AM » |
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I get it now!
I'm with Dean, but you can't dictate customer preference.
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Distinctive Interiors
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 05:22 AM » |
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Hi Troll, I know exactly what you are trying to achieve. I have done this on a few occasions in the past, including my own Kitchen worktops. It is known in the trade as a "Breakfront", with "Inset Postforming". It can be done with the Trend worktop jig, but as others here have said, it is quite difficult. A solid surface top would make it a lot easier to achieve the shape you are looking for. The procedure for cutting and machining the laminate tops and sections of Inset postformed laminate, are not something that can easily be described here.  Have you already chosen the worktops? Who are you buying them from? If so, have you taken delivery of them yet? The reason I ask is, there are a number of companies in the UK that offer this type of machining service in addition to supplying the worktop. It may be a better option for you. Distinctive Interiors (TIM) |
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2012, 07:17 AM » |
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Thanks for your reply and correct terminology. I've the worktops on-site already from Magnet. I've seen this joint before and it looks really tidy. What I wanted to know is is it a joint that can be cut on-site or is it only something that can really be done in a machine shop set-up. With regard to solid-surface worktop, it's a question of budget, £300 of laminate versus of £3,000 worth of Corian. I've emailed Trend to see if they can help.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2012, 07:32 AM » |
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Troll look into mistral as it is solid all the way through and cost about £400 for 3m. I know the look your trying to achieve but at the end of the day you can't polish a turd and I certainly wouldn't do it with cheap tops from magnets
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Greg Lock
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 04:57 PM » |
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Hi
You could achieve this with the Encore range from Bushboard. 5
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Greg Lock
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 05:00 PM » |
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Ooops, posted before finishing!
5mm solid top on chipboard core but this means you can sand/polish the join and as Deansocial implies Laminate joins on a breakfront are not a good idea. Not a crazy price either for solid surface.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 05:09 PM » |
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Ooops, posted before finishing!
5mm solid top on chipboard core but this means you can sand/polish the join and as Deansocial implies Laminate joins on a breakfront are not a good idea. Not a crazy price either for solid surface.
G.R.L
This is why I said mistral as it is 25mm solid surface no chip board. Just cut it and rout And you are done. Also will look better with an undermount bowl |
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2012, 05:11 PM » |
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Greg, It would be a doddle to do it in Encore mate! Unfortunately, he,s already brought the laminate worktops. It is possible to do what he wants to do, successfully! It,s just that inset postforming is very time consuming when doing it "on-site". Using a standard worktop jig, it is possible to cut the sections of PF laminate required. A good quality waterproof adhesive and a lot of patience, and the result would be fine. I have some photos of some I,ve done myself, but I cant work out how to post them on here!   Distinctive Interiors (Tim) |
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 06:21 PM » |
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I mis read the post on already having the tops.  An undermount can also be fitted to Encore. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 07:54 PM » |
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Greg, It would be a doddle to do it in Encore mate! Unfortunately, he,s already brought the laminate worktops. It is possible to do what he wants to do, successfully! It,s just that inset postforming is very time consuming when doing it "on-site". Using a standard worktop jig, it is possible to cut the sections of PF laminate required. A good quality waterproof adhesive and a lot of patience, and the result would be fine. I have some photos of some I,ve done myself, but I cant work out how to post them on here! Distinctive Interiors (Tim) Not to sidetrack the thread, but Tim: check out this thread on how to post images: 2 minutes to posting imagesPeter |
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2012, 02:38 AM » |
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Hi Peter, thanks for that.
I saw your video on how to post photos. I watched it, but still found it would,nt allow me to post the photo,s that I wanted to.
I,ll try again later when I get back from site.
Regards, Tim
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