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Offline sucker 4 tools

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Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in the uk i need 18mm thick 1200 x 2400mm pref s/bb grade has anyone got any ideas ? its not your usual builders merchant product !
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Offline Wuffles

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 01:53 PM »
Where in the UK are you based?
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Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 05:01 PM »
I buy my birch ply from Hanson Plywood, who are just a few miles from me.

They don't do S/BB, but they do stock B/BB, which is a slightly higher grade.
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Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 06:20 PM »
i am in north devon

and i am getting mixed messages on the quality i was under the impression s grade is the best SUPERIOR ! then B then BB i need one face with no imperfections as they will be kitchen cab doors any recomendations for a durable clear finish product would be good also, do we get any pre finished products in the uk like they do in the states ?

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 06:26 PM »
i am in north devon

and i am getting mixed messages on the quality i was under the impression s grade is the best SUPERIOR ! then B then BB i need one face with no imperfections as they will be kitchen cab doors any recomendations for a durable clear finish product would be good also, do we get any pre finished products in the uk like they do in the states ?

There's a good place in Taunton recommended from another board, http://www.somersetpanels.co.uk/services/boards-and-veneers.htm - not used them, only found them recently.
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Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 02:19 AM »
Grades are as follows:

A - near perfect, but not commercially available

B - Generally, the best grade available for clear finishing. Good clean appearance, only minor, natural features, i.e. small pin knots permitted on the ‘B’ Face. ‘B’ grade is normally only available with ‘BB’ Grade reverse

S - similar to Grade B, but allows more natural defects and the odd well-made patch – Generally good enough quality face for clear finishing or painting. S+/BB has a better face with no plugs. The reverse is a standard BB Grade.

BB - The main commercial or utility grade - both faces are Grade BB – which allows patches and other knots/ imperfections. Suitable for all general work including CNC Machining or where face grade not overly important – However good quality BB grade boards may be acceptable for clear finishing and furniture! Available in Long or Cross grain construction.
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Offline Roseland

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 03:56 AM »
Mine comes from Timbmet:

http://www.timbmet.com/Publication/Download/plywood.pdf

It's BB/BB, but often I get a face without patches.  They do both long- and short-grain.

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Offline turnpike

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 04:38 AM »
Jonny/Andrew,  Do these places expect you to be trade? I got some wisa ply recently and they had a real attitude that I was just a hobbyist and didn't have a forklift when they arrived with 6 sheets.

Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 05:18 AM »
great info guys
wish people knew what they were selling ! got a few places telling me s is better than b ?? if you were making cab doors that were going to be on show what would you use ? dont want any plugs.

Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 05:35 AM »
timbmet might be the one £65.60 + for the B/BB 18mm 1200x2400 what do you guys think ?

Offline Roseland

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 05:50 AM »
I don't buy direct from Timbmet, but from a reseller (Woodstock, Penryn).

Give them a call and they'll tell you where their nearest reseller is.

They say their "S" is practically blemish free.

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Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2015, 06:06 AM »
surely you would get a better price direct ? its only £40 delivery charge

Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 06:19 AM »
wood stock is 74.80 + and £50 delivery

Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 06:55 AM »
somerset panels is £59.40 inc vat but £65 delivery

Offline Ed Bray

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2015, 07:26 AM »
I bought my Birch Ply from Southern Timber who are based at Newton Abbot in Devon. I was more than happy with the quality. I have had 18mm, 12mm and 9mm from them.

If you buy over a certain amount delivery is free (well it was to Plymouth). Their phone number is 01803 803813.

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2015, 08:02 AM »
A note of caution - don't buy on price alone. You want to know where it's from. For example:

The place I buy from specialises in sheet materials. They buy direct from the manufacturer, in volume. It comes on huge pallets, 50 or 60 sheets all bundled together, and goes onto huge steel racks. When I order it, they take it straight off the racks with a specialised lift, and load it straight into my van (or onto one of their trucks if it's being delivered).

The place I bought from previously bought it off another company, which in turn bought it from a company like the above. It had been loaded as above, but then unloaded from the truck (probably by hand) and put somewhere in a timber yard. Then it was loaded onto another vehicle, taken somewhere else, and unloaded again. Then finally loaded onto the van that delivered it to me.

By the time it arrived it had been rained on, and one sheet had actual boot prints all across one side. It was useless for what I needed it for, and it ended up all going back.

The reason I bought through the above chain was that I assumed (wrongly) that the main company wouldn't deal with me, so ordered it through a local timber merchant. After all the hassle, I went direct & found that they were in fact very happy to deal with me. I buy all my sheet materials from there now. They deliver to me for free on orders over £100, but they're perfectly happy for me to order one sheet of 6mm MDF if I want, as long as I collect it. I have a couple of named contacts in the office, and they know me by name when I call. They know that I'm trade, but also know I'm never going to buying more than a dozen sheets at a time.



Now, regarding grading - most of the birch ply I get is beautiful. Although it's graded as B/BB, a lot of it could possibly pass for A grade. I think the reason that A grade isn't commercially available is not because it isn't produced; it's because it's not economically viable to sort out the A grade sheets from the rest as they are produced. If I were to buy 10 sheets, I could pretty much guarantee at least 9 of them would be flawless. There may be one that isn't so great, but could still be used with a bit of thought in the cutting.

How many sheets do you need? Your options may be different if it's 2 sheets, 5 sheets, or 10+ sheets...
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Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2015, 08:29 AM »
i need 5 sheets
seems like most people get it from the same few places and just move it around ! i am happy to go with b/bb if its damaged i will send it back and get refund

Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2015, 08:34 AM »
hanson 61£ + and £95 delivery

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2015, 09:01 AM »
i need 5 sheets

In that case, I would ring round some places & find out who actually has it in stock, rather than "we can order it in for you...".

Then, borrow/hire a van for 1/2 day & drive there yourself. You can then see the quality as you're loading it, and if there's an odd sheet that's not up to scratch you can reject it there & then. Half-a-day's van hire will be less than the delivery cost, and you'll know exactly what you're getting.
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Offline turnpike

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2015, 09:40 AM »
I have a couple of named contacts in the office, and they know me by name when I call. They know that I'm trade, but also know I'm never going to buying more than a dozen sheets at a time.

This is why I asked if you need to be trade and/or have a history with the supplier.  You will sadly often get fleeced or a bad attitude if they don't know you. I assume a fair amount of people here are not making a career out of woodworking so it's relevant when looking for a merchant.

Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2015, 10:10 AM »
i have enquired with them all as trade as that is what it is and they are all fine with that.

re grades i was hoping if i get b/bb then it will come and be very good on one face if the edge is slightly damaged i will cut it off etc i dont have time and money to go and fetch it would rather just pay for delivery i thought the grading system ensures that you get what you order ?

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2015, 10:12 AM »
i have enquired with them all as trade as that is what it is and they are all fine with that.

re grades i was hoping if i get b/bb then it will come and be very good on one face if the edge is slightly damaged i will cut it off etc i dont have time and money to go and fetch it would rather just pay for delivery i thought the grading system ensures that you get what you order ?

It does, what I meant was that you often get better than what you order. The grade is the minimum you'll get.
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Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2015, 03:52 PM »
I buy a lot of birch ply and you will find that grades vary depending on its country of origin. Here is the brochure form dhh timber giving you the full grading break down.

Dhh timber are wholesale so it comes straight from the factory missing out all the middle men. If I'm buying in bulk I will use them, but if buying a few sheets I use a local supplier who is the next company down the chain from them.

I buy BB and pay  (inc vat):
9mm £28
12mm £33
18mm £40 (discount a little as my most popular)
24mm £58

I would also agree with @jonny round boy and collect the sheets so you can double check you are happy with the grain and for damage. I learnt that the hard way!











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Offline Wuffles

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2015, 05:04 PM »
A couple of the DHH Timber guides are available online;

http://www.dhhtimber.co.uk/docs/dhh_product.pdf
http://www.dhhtimber.co.uk/docs/dhh_birch_plywood.pdf

O yea that would have been easier!   [blink]

Can you take a photo of your hand holding an iPad or something showing the PDF?
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Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2015, 02:52 AM »
A couple of the DHH Timber guides are available online;

http://www.dhhtimber.co.uk/docs/dhh_product.pdf
http://www.dhhtimber.co.uk/docs/dhh_birch_plywood.pdf

O yea that would have been easier!   [blink]

Can you take a photo of your hand holding an iPad or something showing the PDF?

I will print out the pdf and post it to you @Wuffles so you can take a photo of it, email it back to me and I will post that up  [wink]

Offline Wuffles

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2015, 02:54 AM »
A couple of the DHH Timber guides are available online;

http://www.dhhtimber.co.uk/docs/dhh_product.pdf
http://www.dhhtimber.co.uk/docs/dhh_birch_plywood.pdf

O yea that would have been easier!   [blink]

Can you take a photo of your hand holding an iPad or something showing the PDF?

I will print out the pdf and post it to you @Wuffles so you can take a photo of it, email it back to me and I will post that up  [wink]

Fax it. You have my number.
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Offline sucker 4 tools

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Re: Im trying to source some good quality birch ply sheets in 18mm
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2015, 03:14 AM »
thanks for info guys has anyone used somerset panels in taunton ?