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Offline leakyroof

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R410 Freon
« on: May 14, 2018, 10:08 AM »
It's my understanding that R410 replaced R22, the long lived House/Commercial Building refrigerant .  A couple of years ago we changed out our system to a higher efficiency Unit with the 410 Freon.
 While I was home Friday having my Central Air system serviced, I talked with the Tech about the 410, which he claims may be replaced with yet another R22 substitute in a few years. Has anyone who's in the HVAC or Building Trades heard this?
 Seems like we just got R410 a few years ago... [blink]
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

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Offline RKA

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Re: R410 Freon
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 11:47 AM »
Well, it will be replaced with something at some point, and R410A systems have been available since around 2008 give or take.  It's all partially driven by the desire to use less "bad" things for the environment, but I'm sure manufacturers of equipment don't mind the cycle of equipment purchases it inevitably brings. 

But any restrictions on the production of R410A won't likely happen until 2025 or more probably ~2030.  So at least until then, your units are servicable at a reasonable cost.  At present I'm not aware of anything concrete and official and when it happens there is usually many many years of notice given before the phaseout takes place. 
-Raj

Offline Cheese

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Re: R410 Freon
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 12:14 PM »
Here's an interesting article on the Phase-down rather than the Phase-out of R-410A.

Interesting quote in the article:
"Furthermore, both the OEM equipment and fluorochemical manufacturers have not yet recovered their investments made into R-410A technology and will not do so for quite some time." 
I have my doubts about that statement.  [huh]

https://www.achrnews.com/articles/134672-is-r-410a-here-to-stay

Offline leakyroof

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Re: R410 Freon
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 03:05 PM »
Here's an interesting article on the Phase-down rather than the Phase-out of R-410A.

Interesting quote in the article:
"Furthermore, both the OEM equipment and fluorochemical manufacturers have not yet recovered their investments made into R-410A technology and will not do so for quite some time." 
I have my doubts about that statement.  [huh]

https://www.achrnews.com/articles/134672-is-r-410a-here-to-stay
  Actually ,what my A/C Tech said about Carrier being the primary funder of R-410s development to begin with ties into his thinking that Carrier will want to get their R&D money back and then some before agreeing to yet another Freon Substitute
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Offline Gregor

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Re: R410 Freon
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 05:31 PM »
Carrier will want to get their R&D money back and then some before agreeing to yet another Freon Substitute
An interesting country must that be where commercial entities are able to decide policy.

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: R410 Freon
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 08:45 AM »
An interesting country must that be where commercial entities are able to decide policy.

Large companies decide policy in Germany too.  Also, its not just Carrier, its everyone down the line, from distributors to tradesmen, that have invested in the technology.  They need to recoup their costs too.  Remember, in America the air conditioning market is much larger than all of Europe.       
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Offline Gregor

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Re: R410 Freon
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2018, 05:57 AM »
Large companies decide policy in Germany too.
I know, just not that happy about it.