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Offline joiner1970

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Rafix fittings
« on: March 16, 2012, 05:35 PM »
Im thinking of using some Rafix connectors on the carcases that I build rather than screws or cam and dowel fittings that I usually use. Anyone here that regularly uses Rafix who can advise on which ones are better to use the single hole ones or the double hole.

 

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Online Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 07:30 PM »
Without a line boring /drilling insertion machine or CNC the single hole Rafix are easier to use and install using a hand held jig or drill press.
If I am using chipboard melamine I still like to use the double hole Rafix fittings because the corners of the hole in chip board can blow out and if so you still have the back part of the rafix as insurance.
The double hole Rafix can be a pain (getting the two holes to line up) to fit if you don't use a good jig where the single Rafix are easier to drill with a drill press or even a hand held jig.
Hope that helps.
Tim
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Offline whitesys

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 10:07 PM »
Guido Henn's used these in his Chaos Theory article and had a jig for routing the holes
http://www.festool.de/Aktionen/Festool-fuer-Heimwerker/Holzidee-Heimwerken/Documents/holzidee/Holzidee_11.pdf

See page 46,47

Have not tried it yet but planning on doing so.

Dave

Online Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 10:47 PM »
Guido Henn's used these in his Chaos Theory article and had a jig for routing the holes
http://www.festool.de/Aktionen/Festool-fuer-Heimwerker/Holzidee-Heimwerken/Documents/holzidee/Holzidee_11.pdf

See page 46,47

Have not tried it yet but planning on doing so.

Dave



Thanks for the link to that magazine. Some interesting projects there.
Tim
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Offline Kev

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2012, 03:23 AM »
Guido Henn's used these in his Chaos Theory article and had a jig for routing the holes
http://www.festool.de/Aktionen/Festool-fuer-Heimwerker/Holzidee-Heimwerken/Documents/holzidee/Holzidee_11.pdf

See page 46,47

Have not tried it yet but planning on doing so.

Dave



I've been playing with the numbers at the end of that URL.

I think it's time to improve my German ... but they're great little magazines!

THANKS!!!

Offline joiner1970

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 03:58 AM »
It was the Guido henn videos that got me thinking of using rafiix .

Offline JPF Woodworking

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2012, 06:24 AM »
This seems like a really great publication! Any chance there is an English translation or similar publication for us non-German speaking folks? John
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Offline TheTassieBFG

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 06:58 AM »
Since my German doesn't go past schnitzel and strudel. I have had some success translating the docs using

http://www.onlinedoctranslator.com/translator.html

I believe it uses google translate but does large files unlike a lot of other online translating services (and it's free).. though as it is translated by machine not a human there is the odd untranslatable word and you need to decypher the literal tranlation into something akin to standard english.. but I can do that last part a lot easier than translating german [laughing]

cheers

Andrew

Offline mattfc

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 07:40 AM »
Im thinking of using some Rafix connectors on the carcases that I build rather than screws or cam and dowel fittings that I usually use. Anyone here that regularly uses Rafix who can advise on which ones are better to use the single hole ones or the double hole.

 


I used the double hole ones, made a jig out of mdf very easily. Fist thing I did was drill through a sheet of MDF and get the hole spacing exact (big hole and smaller top hole). Just comes down to good marking out, use a small brad to make a starting mark. Once I had the holes drilled, I glued a bit on the underside of the jig, which butts up to the bottom edge of the fixing. Use a fast setting glue, its to get the positioning spot on, once dried screwed it in place. Then I drilled through the big hole again, this time its goes through the bit you glued on also.

It depends on the wood, for MDF or Ply I would use the double hole fixers, since the bottom hole cuts through the edge of the material, if tgere is going to be some force on it, it will help prevent it tearing out. Here is what I used them for (to attached the top half)


Offline joiner1970

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 01:30 PM »
Cheers Matt that's exactly what I would do, similar to the jig in the Guido Henn videos or I might make it in Phenolic plastic if I have any offcuts left. I realized that the same jig can be used to drill the 5mm hole in the connecting panel (side) too as the position is exactly the same as the 20mm hole you just change the cutter to 5mm, if you haven't got an LR32 set

Offline skinee

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 04:26 PM »
anyone know of a source for these connecters in the uk?(a source that does not require trade quanties to be bought),
ironmongerydirect.com sell them but do not seem to stock the double ended bolts,only the single ended ones.

Offline joiner1970

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 05:55 PM »
Skinee there's a few but www.daro.com is one , I've not used them but they look good.

Hafele do them as well
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 05:58 PM by joiner1970 »

Online Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 09:21 PM »
Here is what I used them for (to attached the top half)

Looks good. Curious why you needed to have knockdown fixtures on that cabinet top? Are you moving it around a lot?
Tim
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Offline mattfc

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 03:18 AM »
anyone know of a source for these connecters in the uk?(a source that does not require trade quanties to be bought),
ironmongerydirect.com sell them but do not seem to stock the double ended bolts,only the single ended ones.


 There are quite a few haffele associated retail outlets who sell them one at a time,
 Like
http://www.tandsarchitectural.co.uk/productDetail.asp?PID=44424&categoryID=5797&feedID=1

Offline windmill man

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 03:44 AM »
Hi Skinee,

Give Slingers a ring , ask for Chris and they will get you them .

John

Offline mattfc

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2012, 04:07 AM »
Here is what I used them for (to attached the top half)

Looks good. Curious why you needed to have knockdown fixtures on that cabinet top? Are you moving it around a lot?
Tim

Its kids sized, the two white portions were sprayed MDF, so didn't want to mask, so had to fix the two halves together anyway, wanted to try some new fixings!

Online Tim Raleigh

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2012, 07:35 PM »
Cool. In case you didn't know, they do make those fittings in white. The body is plastic but the cam fitting is and bolts are metal.
Tim
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Offline Tedric Pancoast

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 11:25 AM »
Well,

I like the double hole because they are self aligning (we have CNC technology so the holes are perfect).  We use them all the time.

Ted

Offline Danny E

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 04:07 PM »
Matt, could you please upload the pics of your jig made with MDF.
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Offline mattfc

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 08:59 AM »
Matt, could you please upload the pics of your jig made with MDF.


so I can't get to the jig right now but this is basic design.. sorry for the crappy picture, drew it quickly in Microsoft word

Offline Festoller

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2012, 09:39 AM »
Hi all,

I have now completed 4 Sysports and 21 foot of clostets with the Hettich VB connectors and I must say it is very efficient and easy, even if you own a Domino, since there's no gluing and clamping involved. The best and easiest way to drill those holes (except for CNC) is this Hettich DrillJig VB and your Festool hand drill:

http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166

I tried two different jigs, but in the end I would really recommend the Hettich and the 150 EUR are well invested, especially if you have to drill 12 holes per closet body. I have not once made an error on the above projects.

The connector I would recommend is the nickel plated VB 36MD/19 for 19 mm thickness (or the 16 for 16mm). The M version is the one with mounting aid that puts the screw in dowel in the centre:

http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166






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Online Michael Garrett

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2012, 09:54 AM »
Could you post some pictures of completed projects.  I ordered the jig and it should be tomorrow.  thanks
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Offline Alan m

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2012, 12:18 PM »
Hi all,

I have now completed 4 Sysports and 21 foot of clostets with the Hettich VB connectors and I must say it is very efficient and easy, even if you own a Domino, since there's no gluing and clamping involved. The best and easiest way to drill those holes (except for CNC) is this Hettich DrillJig VB and your Festool hand drill:

http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166

I tried two different jigs, but in the end I would really recommend the Hettich and the 150 EUR are well invested, especially if you have to drill 12 holes per closet body. I have not once made an error on the above projects.

The connector I would recommend is the nickel plated VB 36MD/19 for 19 mm thickness (or the 16 for 16mm). The M version is the one with mounting aid that puts the screw in dowel in the centre:

http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/Start.do?localeId=EN&itemId=20166









is there a easy to follow guide to usin g these type of conectors.
does that jig also drill the hole in the side piece or do you need anouther jig.
i have a job coming up that would suite this jig anda few syports to try it out on first
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Offline waynelang2001

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2012, 12:23 PM »
Matt, could you please upload the pics of your jig made with MDF.


so I can't get to the jig right now but this is basic design.. sorry for the crappy picture, drew it quickly in Microsoft word



That is the exact jig I would have built. I have jig like that for drilling holes for euro hinges, works like a charm.
Latest Festool purchase?? The CXS.....Next Festool purchase???? The Domino.....

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Offline Festoller

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2012, 02:41 PM »
Alan:

it will take you five minutes to setup and the instructions are really just one page:

http://web2.hettich.com/hbh/addon/montage/20444_Drill_Jig_VB.pdf;jsessionid=BCC87FBCD09C1DFF7AACFE3511302DBC

The only thing you have to adjust is the drill depth (depending on the 16 or 19 mm connector) and the drill distance from the edge. The jig has a red bolt on both sides that can be lifted for reference from the edge, which is the easiest way to use it.

You get two parts if you order the jig, the black plastic jig on the left is for drilling the screw in dowel or if you have the LR 32 it can be set to fit the connector. I usually adjust the hole drilling to the connectors.
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Online Michael Garrett

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 03:22 PM »
Do you have pictures of the closet and sysports you can post for reference?
CT 26 HEPA, MFT/3 (2), TS 75 EQ, OF 1400 EQ,  DF 500 SET, CXS SET, C 15+3 SET, CENTROTEC INSTALLER SET 98-PC, TRADESMAN/INSTALLER CLEANING SET, DOMINO ASSORTMENT SYSTEM, LR 32 HOLE DRILLING SET, GUIDE RAIL FS 3000 (1), GUIDE RAIL ACCESSORY KIT, GUIDE RAIL FS 1400/2  (2), GUIDE RAIL FS 1900/2  (2), GUIDE RAIL FS 1400/2 LR 32  (1), Veritas MFT Clamping Kit,  Imperial & Metric Zorbo Forstner Bit Sets, RO 90, ETS 150/3, PSB 420 EBQ w/Accessory Kit, WCR-1000, PARALLEL GUIDE SET, CT 26 BOOM ARM SET, VeritasĀ® Drilling Kit, MFK 700 EQ Router Set

Offline Alan m

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2012, 07:06 PM »
thanks festooler.
looks like a great jig to have . i like the homemade jigs but they take a lot of setting up of routers and swaping machines in your hands and a lot slower to just drill a fogoten hole
i am not a fan of the furniture you usually see made with these type of knock down systems. what is you opinion on the strength of the joint.
i think i would domino the joint as well to support everything.
looking at the black plastic part i presum you cant use it in the middle of a panel for a shelf etc
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Offline Festoller

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Re: Rafix fittings
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2012, 03:05 AM »
thanks festooler.
looks like a great jig to have . i like the homemade jigs but they take a lot of setting up of routers and swaping machines in your hands and a lot slower to just drill a fogoten hole
i am not a fan of the furniture you usually see made with these type of knock down systems. what is you opinion on the strength of the joint.
i think i would domino the joint as well to support everything.
looking at the black plastic part i presum you cant use it in the middle of a panel for a shelf etc

I hesitated when building the Sysports (a little over 3 feet high) with 19 mm particle board and thought about Dominos too, but even with just the top and bottom jointed with the VB 36 it is a very strong joint! And as much as I love the Domino, these joints are just so fast and easy to use.

The biggest advantage is of course design and build in the shop and than quickly assemble at site, as well as for narrow build ins.

Yes you can't use it for the middle panel, but since the Drilljig is set to 37 mm (from the edge) it will fit the 32 mm hole drilling system.

Here's the Sketchup model of the Sysport, I'll post some photos later:

« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 03:07 AM by Festoller »
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