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Offline cliffp

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UK price of European oak
« on: November 03, 2014, 01:42 PM »
I just bought around 30 metres of 26mm thick, square edged, sawn, prime grade European oak (board widths between 150 and 235mm) and was a bit shocked at the price - £2,341 per cubic metre plus 20% vat of course. Although it is supposed to be prime grade, most of the boards were bowed, cupped or twisted and many had knots.

Is this as overpriced as I am thinking it is? (I'm quite new to buying timber so I am going more by gut feeling than anything else). The supplier is Covers by the way.

Can anyone suggest a good timber merchant near Chichester?
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Offline windmill man

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2014, 02:13 PM »
Hi
 By my calculation you have been taken to the cleaners [crying]
I am paying the approx. £847.44 per cubic meter for ex 1" English oak, this is 1 square edge though , so to be fair add a third.
If its bent bowed cupped and twisted , its not a good grade . Have you checked the moisture content, if its prime grade it should be 11>15% if its any more send it back . In fact I would just send it back.

sorry cant help with a supplier down there

Offline Davej

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 02:26 PM »
Send it back. Any top grade timber should come to you straight and true.
Paying that sort of price is crazy.
Dave
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Offline cliffp

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2014, 02:41 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys.  I actually selected the boards myself so didn't end up with any badly bent ones. I think that more than two thirds of the boards in the rack were unacceptably bent or had bad knots. I will give them a ring tomorrow and if they don't reduce the price will cancel the order (they haven't delivered yet). I will also get a moisture meter for future purchasing occasions.
T15+3 set, CXS set, Centrotec set (2011), TS55REBQ, TS75EQ, 1400 rail, 1900 rail, 1400 LR32 rail, LR32 set, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, Guide rail adapter, edging plate, angle arm, chip catcher, small bore base, MFS400, MFS1000 profiles, RO90DX, RO150, ETS150/3, Domino DF500, Domino assortment systainer, CTL Midi, compact cleaning set, CMS GE, TS75 Module, OF Module, VL and VB extensions, LA Stopper, Sliding table, Carvex 420 Li 18 GG, core maker set, EHL65EQ, Syslite.

Offline windmill man

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2014, 03:04 PM »
A moisture meter is a must , get the best you can afford. If you can, get one with the option of a hammer probe. This will let you take a reading in the centre of the section of a board. Surface readings can vary drastically from core readings . You are paying for consistently dry timber through out the section not just on the outside. Moisture content and timber stability are of paramount importance in producing good work
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Offline promhandicam

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2014, 03:08 PM »
W L Wests between Petworth and Midhurst.  Not cheap, although possibly cheaper than you paid but top quality. My limited experience of Covers is that the quality of their timber is awful.

Offline promhandicam

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2014, 03:13 PM »
I've also ordered  from Scawton sawmill. They are a lot cheaper than Wests but there's more wastage - depends what you want it for.

Offline Doug S

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2014, 04:12 PM »
Last time I bought some square edged prime european oak from Arnold Laver I paid £1,599.95+vat delivered. 

Offline cliffp

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2014, 05:06 PM »
Thanks again for all the replies. I bought the wood to make furniture (a chest of drawers). I was going to use the solid oak for the top, bottom, sides and drawer fronts.

I have been researching moisture meters and was thinking of getting an Extech MO290. Any other recommendations are welcome!
T15+3 set, CXS set, Centrotec set (2011), TS55REBQ, TS75EQ, 1400 rail, 1900 rail, 1400 LR32 rail, LR32 set, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, Guide rail adapter, edging plate, angle arm, chip catcher, small bore base, MFS400, MFS1000 profiles, RO90DX, RO150, ETS150/3, Domino DF500, Domino assortment systainer, CTL Midi, compact cleaning set, CMS GE, TS75 Module, OF Module, VL and VB extensions, LA Stopper, Sliding table, Carvex 420 Li 18 GG, core maker set, EHL65EQ, Syslite.

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2014, 06:10 PM »
Hi Cliff
 You could try E.O.Burtons. All the timber i buy for the company comes from here and i have never had an issue with quality or service
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Offline cliffp

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 03:26 AM »
Thanks Phil - I'll check out E O Burtons.

I phoned Covers this morning and they offered to knock £100 off the bill (the original bill was for £292 inc vat for the 0.104 m3 of oak plus another £78 for sheet goods). I decided to cancel the order anyway because I wasn't that happy with the quality and the whole episode left a bad taste in my mouth.

I really appreciate the help you guys have given me.
T15+3 set, CXS set, Centrotec set (2011), TS55REBQ, TS75EQ, 1400 rail, 1900 rail, 1400 LR32 rail, LR32 set, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, Guide rail adapter, edging plate, angle arm, chip catcher, small bore base, MFS400, MFS1000 profiles, RO90DX, RO150, ETS150/3, Domino DF500, Domino assortment systainer, CTL Midi, compact cleaning set, CMS GE, TS75 Module, OF Module, VL and VB extensions, LA Stopper, Sliding table, Carvex 420 Li 18 GG, core maker set, EHL65EQ, Syslite.

Offline mattfc

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2014, 03:59 AM »
Cliff

I have used Venables Oak before, got a pallet load of waney edge walnut, they have a calculator which gives you a reasonable guide as to what you should be paying
http://www.venbros.co.uk/sawn-to-size-oak/

for Prime grade kiln dried oak on their site (250mm wide, 26mm thick and 3m) for x10 comes to about £405 ex vat

Offline Festool Fishy

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2014, 08:22 AM »
Cliff

Have you not tried English Woodlands Timber GU29 0HS they are between Midhurst & Goodwood on the A286 very close to Chichester
Very helpful people, a pleasure to deal with  Good luck with your project

Peter

Offline cliffp

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2014, 08:38 AM »
Thanks Matt and Peter. I've checked out both of these companies and they seem much better than Covers.
T15+3 set, CXS set, Centrotec set (2011), TS55REBQ, TS75EQ, 1400 rail, 1900 rail, 1400 LR32 rail, LR32 set, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, Guide rail adapter, edging plate, angle arm, chip catcher, small bore base, MFS400, MFS1000 profiles, RO90DX, RO150, ETS150/3, Domino DF500, Domino assortment systainer, CTL Midi, compact cleaning set, CMS GE, TS75 Module, OF Module, VL and VB extensions, LA Stopper, Sliding table, Carvex 420 Li 18 GG, core maker set, EHL65EQ, Syslite.

Offline windmill man

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2014, 02:26 PM »
Hi Cliff

Protimeter Timbermaster Plus  with heavy duty hammer probe  The price may make your eyes water  [eek] But a small investment if you use a lot of Hardwoods. You can see the timber price falling in the sales guys eyes when you get one out. [smile]

Offline Ant

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2014, 06:48 PM »
Another vote for venable bros, they are my local oak supplier & good chaps to deal with. You can email them your cutting list & get a quote usually within an hour. Their timber is also stored properly & moisture content has never been above 14%.

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2014, 05:18 AM »
Hehehehehehe a good reporter never gives up his sources.....

Offline cliffp

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2014, 06:16 AM »
I bought my oak from  WL West. Moisture content varied between 7% and 14%. They were initially going to charge around £2200 plus vat per cubic metre but I told them I had been quoted £1600 so I got it for that (they weren't very happy about it).
T15+3 set, CXS set, Centrotec set (2011), TS55REBQ, TS75EQ, 1400 rail, 1900 rail, 1400 LR32 rail, LR32 set, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, Guide rail adapter, edging plate, angle arm, chip catcher, small bore base, MFS400, MFS1000 profiles, RO90DX, RO150, ETS150/3, Domino DF500, Domino assortment systainer, CTL Midi, compact cleaning set, CMS GE, TS75 Module, OF Module, VL and VB extensions, LA Stopper, Sliding table, Carvex 420 Li 18 GG, core maker set, EHL65EQ, Syslite.

Offline mattfc

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2014, 08:58 AM »
(they weren't very happy about it).

What made you think that?

The people who have tried to rip me off the most are the ones that make out they are doing you a favour

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2014, 09:14 AM »
I see now.
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Offline cliffp

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2014, 10:22 AM »
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(they weren't very happy about it).

After I had selected the wood, the guys in the warehouse took it to be priced up. They came up with a figure of over £400 for the wood I had selected (can't remember exactly how much). I then told them I had been quoted around £1600 per cubic metre (I don't know how many cubic metres it was but the price was clearly higher than I had been quoted). The person serving then told me they would let me have it for £1800 per cubic metre. I said I wanted it for the price quoted so she grudgingly worked it out using that price (it ended up costing £290). She went on about how I was getting it for trade price and said that she would normally expect a much higher quantity to be bought for that price to be agreed to.

I was definitely made to feel like a "persona non grata"

« Last Edit: November 14, 2014, 10:33 AM by cliffp »
T15+3 set, CXS set, Centrotec set (2011), TS55REBQ, TS75EQ, 1400 rail, 1900 rail, 1400 LR32 rail, LR32 set, MFT/3, OF1400, OF1010, Guide rail adapter, edging plate, angle arm, chip catcher, small bore base, MFS400, MFS1000 profiles, RO90DX, RO150, ETS150/3, Domino DF500, Domino assortment systainer, CTL Midi, compact cleaning set, CMS GE, TS75 Module, OF Module, VL and VB extensions, LA Stopper, Sliding table, Carvex 420 Li 18 GG, core maker set, EHL65EQ, Syslite.

Offline mattfc

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2014, 11:02 AM »
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(they weren't very happy about it).

After I had selected the wood, the guys in the warehouse took it to be priced up. They came up with a figure of over £400 for the wood I had selected (can't remember exactly how much). I then told them I had been quoted around £1600 per cubic metre (I don't know how many cubic metres it was but the price was clearly higher than I had been quoted). The person serving then told me they would let me have it for £1800 per cubic metre. I said I wanted it for the price quoted so she grudgingly worked it out using that price (it ended up costing £290). She went on about how I was getting it for trade price and said that she would normally expect a much higher quantity to be bought for that price to be agreed to.

I was definitely made to feel like a "persona non grata"

I always give local suppliers a chance to match the best price I can find something for, often means getting 40% or standard retail prices. I never feel bad about it, I prefer to support local businesses but am not a charity, so I do them the favour of giving them a chance to compete. If its not worth their while, they can always decline, but that has never happened yet, they may grumble but at the end of they day they make a bit vs. having made nothing

Well done on negotiating, you can make it up to them by repeat business with the same repeat discount [big grin]

Offline Davej

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Re: UK price of European oak
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2014, 12:32 PM »
Give them a case of beer at Christmas.  Works wonders at getting better deals,  I've been doing it  for years with my local suppliers and I always get the best price they can give me and the lads appreciate the thought.
Dave
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