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Offline JCookie

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What wood glue?
« on: July 04, 2014, 02:32 PM »
I was interested to find out, what woodworkers use for wood glue generally. I have used general purpose PVA for many years.

What brands do you recommend I try?

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Offline Roseland

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 03:09 PM »
Titebond 3 for almost everything.  The exception is anything structural, or when jointing boards to make a table top, when I use Cascamite. 

I've been told by a cabinetmaker for whom I have the greatest respect that if you put a heavy weight (an old TV, for example) on a table top that is glued with PVA or polyurethane, over time you can feel a small step where the joint has moved.

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Offline jacko9

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 03:14 PM »
I use Titebond III for almost everything nowadays.  I agree that "yellow glue" will creep under load but for table tops I use Domino tenons for alignment and to help with creep.  I have used Titebond II Extend for large multiple joint assemblies when I need that extra time and I use West Marine Epoxy for some oily wood joints.

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Offline roblg3

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 03:58 PM »
All I've ever needed is titebond 2.  Exterior I'm trying the 3.  Its about %33 more, and 2 is water resistant once dry anyway and I've not had an issue even using 2 outside.  There have been complaints about 3 leaving dark staining on the joints, but I haven't had that problem either
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Offline Billedis

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2014, 05:07 PM »
Titebond III

Offline Zacharytanner

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 05:13 PM »
Titebond 2
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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2014, 05:14 PM »
Lee Valley Cabinet Makers glue (PVA). Probably not available in the UK without some pricey shipping cost though.

Titebond III for exterior.

The Cascamite looks useful is there a brand of that in the USA?

Seth
« Last Edit: July 04, 2014, 05:17 PM by SRSemenza »

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2014, 05:44 PM »
The Cascamite looks useful is there a brand of that in the USA?

I believe the closest match in the US is Unibond 800...
Tim

Offline RL

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2014, 09:47 PM »
Original Titebond for most things (it's cheaper than III).
Titebond 3 if I need a longer assembly time.
Lepage white glue for veneer work.
Titebond Liquid Hide Glue for lightweight stuff.

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2014, 10:09 PM »
Tite Bond or Roo Glue.

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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2014, 02:59 AM »
DAP's Weldwood is also a urea formaldehyde based glue.  http://www.dap.com/product_details.aspx?BrandID=63&SubcatID=10

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Offline JCookie

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2014, 03:09 AM »
Found this YouTube video interesting, Titebond compared to Cascamite.


Offline roblg3

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2014, 04:30 AM »
thanks so much woodchippie!
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2014, 01:59 PM »
Titebond III for everything except very oily woods. For oily woods, naphtha then 2-part epoxy. Never Gorilla glue!
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Offline waho6o9

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2014, 02:37 PM »
Understanding the manufacturing date may be of interest:

How Do I Read The Lot Numbers?
Our current lot numbering system is a 10 digit code. The format is: aymmddbat#. The "a" stands for Made in the U.S.A. The "y" is the last digit of the year of manufacture. Digits "mm" represent the month, and "dd" represent the day of the month. The final four digits represent the batch number used for quality control purposes. Therefore, a product with the lot number A104270023 was manufactured on April 27, 2011
http://www.titebond.com/frequently_asked_questions.aspx

Good thread.  [smile]

Offline jacko9

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2014, 02:37 PM »
Titebond III for everything except very oily woods. For oily woods, naphtha then 2-part epoxy. Never Gorilla glue!

Titebond III has worked for me on oily woods (Rosewood, Teak, Ipe, etc).  I wipe the surface with acetone prior to glue up and have had no problems.

Jack

Offline jacko9

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2014, 02:39 PM »
Understanding the manufacturing date may be of interest:

How Do I Read The Lot Numbers?
Our current lot numbering system is a 10 digit code. The format is: aymmddbat#. The "a" stands for Made in the U.S.A. The "y" is the last digit of the year of manufacture. Digits "mm" represent the month, and "dd" represent the day of the month. The final four digits represent the batch number used for quality control purposes. Therefore, a product with the lot number A104270023 was manufactured on April 27, 2011
http://www.titebond.com/frequently_asked_questions.aspx

Good thread.  [smile]

Thank you for the code information, I find that very useful.

Jack

Offline waho6o9

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2014, 02:42 PM »
You're welcome Jack

Offline DougG

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2014, 04:50 PM »
Hide glue or Titebond III

Offline jacko9

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2014, 07:18 PM »
Hide glue or Titebond III

Hide glue if you want to disassemble it someday, Titebond III for a more permanent assembly solution.

Jack

Offline roblg3

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2014, 09:05 PM »
titebond II is just as strong as TBIII.  Just not for exterior. and about 2/3 the price.
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Offline RL

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2014, 09:55 PM »
I think Franklin may have changed Titebond II recently. Now it says "Designed for exterior use."

http://www.titebond.com/product.aspx?id=2ef3e95d-48d2-43bc-8e1b-217a38930fa2

I use original Titebond or Lepage yellow glue for most furniture. If it's going outside or near water, I may use titebond III but I don't generally use glue outside.


Offline land_kel

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2014, 10:17 PM »
The difference between TBII and TBIII is II is  water resistant and III is water proof
Lots of stuff

Offline jtwood

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2014, 11:03 PM »
Titebond III because I live in the desert where anything liquid dries quickly, and it has a longer open time than I or II.  For me, there's not that much difference in price to deal with the hassle of drying too fast, especially in complicated glue-ups.

Steve

Offline kcufstoidi

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2014, 07:45 AM »
I've tried many Titebond products over the years and been disappointed with too many of them, now don't use at all. For most general glue ups LV Cabinetmakers glue. For exterior or oily wood 2 part epoxy. I also use epoxy where I need an extended glue up time. For anything that needs to be stable with no flex or creep like veneers, Unibond 800. For gluing with a surface finish, lacquer/melamine, I use Kleiberit 308.

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Offline JLB builders LLC

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2014, 12:14 AM »
I use tite bond original-II-III and sometimes gorilla glue clear.

I tried the hot glue gun for some trim and it didn't work for me.

A trick that I learned last year doing an aged white or antique white kitchen, was to use a heat gun on the matching color stick (sometimes comes in a kit with new cabs) and almost liquefy the tip and dab on the nail hole or crack. Then carefully wave the heat gun past the spot a few times and the wax color will suck right into the hole and basically disappear.  Takes a couple times to get use to the amount. Saves on wiping with a rag to blend in. I also use this technique on wood cabs and will blend several sticks to match the stain.
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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2014, 09:37 AM »
For gluing with a surface finish, lacquer/melamine, I use Kleiberit 308.

How's the self life of that Kleiberit. I have some but every time I use it I wonder if I should get a new one.
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Offline carlb40

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2014, 02:45 PM »
Titebond 2/ cascamite  here, in fact i often take my own onto site as the supplied pva is often the cheapest of cheap glue they can find.  [sad]
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: What wood glue?
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2014, 05:17 AM »
Roo Glue (in the states) gorilla glue and cascamite here in the UK