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Offline bkharman

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Widen opening in face frames
« on: January 23, 2016, 12:50 PM »
Hey all,

I am adding some new drawers with Blum Blumotion undermount slides in a kitchen and a few of the openings are about 3mm too small.  I am going to remove some material but had a few questions:

  • Since it is only 3mm, should i try and take 1.5 from each side or just have the drawer front off center a bit?
  • I have a rasp and my RO90, should i mess with the 90 for this?  I was thinking of just sanding to final finish after some rasp work.
  • For this small amount, should I trim the whole side(s) or just enough for the slide to fit?

I think for the last question, i am going to trim all the way up for a "finished look", but looking to see if anyone has had experience here.

Cheers.  Bryan.

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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 01:01 PM »
Take the 3 off one side, you can aways shift the face if necessary for alignment.

I would clamp a straight edge to the face frame for a guide and use the Vecturo to make the cut.

Tom

Offline sae

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2016, 03:24 PM »
Wouldn't it save a lot of headaches if you used a track saw?

Offline bkharman

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2016, 03:38 PM »

Wouldn't it save a lot of headaches if you used a track saw?

It is for drawers and on the sides so it is about 120mm. Not enough room to plunge. These are installed cabinets.

No Vecturo for me Tom. Although I did start looking at them again!!  ;^)

Cheers. Bryan.
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Offline Scott in Bend

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2016, 03:52 PM »
I have run drawer boxes on edge through my jointer to cleanup the sides.  If it is the just the attached drawer front, you might be able to make a sled to support the drawer box.

Offline sae

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2016, 03:59 PM »
Ah doh. BluMotion always makes me think hinges, not sliders.

Tom's suggestion is the easiest solution it seems, you can use any OMT, even the Harbor Freight one (gasp!).

Offline thedude306

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2016, 04:47 PM »
is there enough room behind the face frame to attache a piece of wood?  There should be.  You could then use a pattern bit and a router.  Finish the corners by hand. 

Should look a lot cleaner then an OMT??

Brad T.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2016, 07:09 PM »

Wouldn't it save a lot of headaches if you used a track saw?

It is for drawers and on the sides so it is about 120mm. Not enough room to plunge. These are installed cabinets.

No Vecturo for me Tom. Although I did start looking at them again!!  ;^)

Cheers. Bryan.

No oscillating cutter at all....you have to get one, they're a life saver at times.

Even if it's not the Vecturo get a good one.

I really like my Vecturo.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2016, 07:11 PM »
is there enough room behind the face frame to attache a piece of wood?  There should be.  You could then use a pattern bit and a router.  Finish the corners by hand. 

Should look a lot cleaner then an OMT??

With a guide you can get a really nice cut with an OMT.

Your idea is a good one also, he'll still need to clean up the corners and be cautious not to nip the rails with the router bit.

Tom

Offline JD2720

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2016, 09:22 PM »
I have done this. I used a jig saw & then cleaned up the edges with a sander.
Your Carvex & RO90  will do the job.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2016, 09:30 PM »
@bkharman, make new drawers?

Tom

Offline bkharman

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2016, 09:45 PM »

@bkharman, make new drawers?

Tom

I was thinking that might be the best option. I can trim 3mm off on one side front and back and redo the dovetails. Might need a spot of work but my Incra fence can make short work of it. I will let you guys know how I fare...

I think I picked up a cold or flu or something today during my Zar finishing on the boxes. Feel like crap!

Thanks again to everyone who threw in their .02.

Cheers. Bryan.
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Offline otis04

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2016, 02:11 AM »
Why couldn't you take the 3 mm off the inside edge of the drawers?  With the Blumotion (if they are the style I have used), the drawer box basically sits on the slide supported by the holes in the back of the box and the clips in the front.

Offline jimbouk

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2016, 04:25 AM »
Yup what you need to alter is the thickness of the sides of the drawers where they sit on the runners. That will solve it and much less stress than doing a whole drawer or remaking them. Also the bit you trimming won't be seen. I would set up a jig for the router and do 1.5 both sides.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2016, 11:57 AM »
Too funny.  As I started looking at this again this morning, i had the same thought, and came upstairs to post!

I need to check to make sure that the drawer bottom will still be happy but a quick pass on my router table will clean down the 6mm height.

Thanks again for the ideas gents!

Cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: Widen opening in face frames
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2016, 01:29 PM »
Well that was a fast switcheroo. I did the math and with my panels, I am potentially at 1mm on either side if the panel slides to the side. I am going to slap some 80grit on my ro90 and clean it up. I think I will use my pull saw to trim the corners out to the right depth and I will be fine.

Cheers. Bryan.
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