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Offline Gr8trim4u

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Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« on: February 15, 2017, 12:11 PM »
Can you believe this is in the core of the plywood. 258398-0
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 12:37 PM »
That is truly junk!  Did the price reflect that terrible quality?  Don't think I'd build anything with that stuff.

Online HarveyWildes

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 01:30 PM »
Terrible.  Take it back if you can.

Did the little blocks come with the plywood ([scared] [scared] [scared]) or did you add them to try to shore it up?

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 02:36 PM »
Yup, I've seen similar. Also found blue plastic pieces and other unidentifiable  items. All in big box plywood.

 Also had stress cracks appear in the veneer layer  after staining. Couldn't see them before the stain went on. [mad]

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Offline Dane

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 03:30 PM »
Is that the ubiquitous "Sanded Ply" from HD?  I stopped buying that stuff a few years ago- truly reprehensible QC on that stuff.  PureBond tends to be better, but I still get some of that from time to time.

Offline Gr8trim4u

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 05:07 PM »
The little blocks was already in the plywood.
This came from the oldest lumber yard on the east coast.
The builder I am working for purchased the product. It is pantry shelving(paint grade). I showed the builder ne said it was cheaper than the birch(NO SH&T). We quickly came to an understanding that if he required the same finish look as the birch yielded then he would have to pay me to work around these kinda issues. He agreed to buy yhe better grade of ply.

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Offline #Tee

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 05:18 PM »
wow...they might as well throw in some garbage and banana peels in there.
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Offline RussellS

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 06:40 PM »
The sheet on the bottom looks OK.  And the sheet you made the bench out of looks OK.  But I would only use that for something where appearance did not matter.  Like as a subfloor.

Offline antss

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 06:43 PM »
no, no, no, no, that stuff would be horrible for a subfloor too.

Those voids won't just be limited to the edges.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 06:47 PM »
If that crap had ever hit one of my job sites, it would never have gotten off the truck and I'd have a new supplier within an hour. 

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Offline Gr8trim4u

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 06:55 PM »
If that crap had ever hit one of my job sites, it would never have gotten off the truck and I'd have a new supplier within an hour. 

 [mad]

 Problem is i didn't see it till i cut it. We will no longer be using it.

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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 07:51 PM »
Regretfully we do see defective ply down here too, but fortunately in my experience in sales and use, this is usually restricted to non structural non furniture grades with correspondingly much lower prices.

Usually I only see delamination or air pockets in inner layers. Certainly not what we see here from @Gr8trim4u . If this is not discounted non structural ply he should take it back.

Non structural ply has its uses however - assembly benches and Systainer cages.



My assembly bench. Two sheets glued and laminated. Then edgebanded.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 09:02 PM »
But I would only use that for something where appearance did not matter.  Like as a subfloor.

Naw, that's even worse to use as a subfloor or underlayment, as there's no solid structure to support the layer on top. Think tile and grout, how long will that hold up when there are voids in the substructure? That's exactly the reason tile floors can fail...

Offline Rollin22Petes

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 09:25 PM »
From what I can tell  what you have there is an import plywood most likely China birch and all of it is pure garbage. Being a business I buy all our plywood wholesale even though all of my suppliers care this junk they sell it buyer beware. They will not take it back or exchange for another. We don't use it in our shop for obvious reasons but I have seen everything from razors to cigarettes in this stuff. I really fill sorry for all of the consumers buying this stuff for such an inflated price at the big box store without knowing what they are buying. A product we have been having excellent results with here lately is a maple plywood coming out of Spain called Garnica really good product and it's lighter.

Offline fignewton

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2017, 08:37 AM »
Gr8trim4U, I saw that Hardwoods in the Rough in Manassas is carrying the Garnica.  Looks good from the side edges and the faces are pretty.
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Online leakyroof

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2017, 09:08 AM »
So they're making Plyish now instead of actual Plywood.... [mad]
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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2017, 11:31 AM »
I used a China birch 2 years ago for building a 24 foot banquet. As as the primer went on, the face veneer bubbled, split and checked all over. Did what I could to fix the areas, sand and patch. It was painted dark so ultimately less visible.

The maple ply I bought in the fall was excellent. I'll stick with that as well as the local supplier. Big box stores just aren't a trustworthy source anymore.
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2017, 05:15 PM »
Gr8trim4U, I saw that Hardwoods in the Rough in Manassas is carrying the Garnica.  Looks good from the side edges and the faces are pretty.

A&M Supply in Upper Marlboro also carries Garnica, and I concur that, based on samples that I've seen, Garnica is a very nice product. 
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Offline Gr8trim4u

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2017, 06:10 PM »
Yea was bummed when A&M left Alexandria. I will check into the Spanish product.

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Offline johnbro

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2017, 12:25 AM »
This Garnica looks interesting. Anybody know where I can get it in the Pacific NW?

Offline builderbob

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2017, 07:20 AM »
All I have been using is Garnica. For paint/pigmented finishes, I use the pluma HDF. Their prefinished birch is awesome as well.

Here's a photo of the cross section on a sheet of 3/4".

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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2017, 02:41 PM »
Bob,


  That Garnica looks nice. How about a couple face shots?   Also price range?

Thanks,

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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2017, 03:15 PM »
I have never been able to understand the logic of saving a few bucks on the material resulting in wasting big $$$ in labor [unsure]
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Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Worst plywood I have ever seen.
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 03:31 AM »
Out of high school I worked in a plywood factory. Let me tell you, that took some effort, the kind of effort that would only be worth it if you had essentially slaves find the pieces to put that puzzle together like that.