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Offline avanderhoorn

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Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« on: March 25, 2015, 12:42 PM »
Hey All

Since the Festool drill bit sets are't currently available, I'm trying to put together a set myself.

When doing this, I was looking at Screw Driver Styles and got to thinking about which style is "best". Obviously if I have something that has a fixed type of screw, I don't have a choice and getting Phillips bits is a necessity.

But for projects I'm building, I'm wondering if I should be considering something other than just reaching for phillips screws.

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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 12:52 PM »
Robertson screws (often called Square Drive in the USA) all the way!  They are MUCH MUCH better than Philips.

Here is a link that tells you something about them: http://robertsonscrew.com/history.html
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 01:08 PM »
Torx.  Zero cam out.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 01:14 PM »
Torx.  Zero cam out.

yeah buddy

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Torx are OK.  They are certainly better than Philips!  But, as someone quite experienced with all three, my vote still goes to Robertson.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 01:33 PM »
Either GRK or Spax.

GRK use Torx drivers and as waho609 pointed out, there is no cam-out with them. They're sold at lumber speciality stores but come in a limited number of sizes and styles. Because their target market is the professional builder, they're usually only sold in larger quantities. They do manufacture a number of them in stainless steel.

Spax use a philips/robertson driver on their small sized ones, and while there is some cam-out, it is a lot less than the traditional philips head driver. They are sold at the big box stores and come in numerous styles, sizes and large/small quantities. I'm not aware if they manufacture any in stainless steel.

The picture that waho609 provided above, is some of the various GRK screws that are available.

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Offline orm8426

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 01:41 PM »
I'm more concerned with getting the correct size, material and thread properties correct. For me drive type doesn't make any difference provided I use a quality bit to drive them along with an appropriately sized drill/impact driver. Using my makita 10.8v or 18v driver dependent on the size of the screw along with a quality bit like Wera I am as happy using phillips/pozidrive as I am torx or square drive.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 01:42 PM »
I use Torx-head SPAX myself, though if I'm doing flooring I go with square drive.  There's also Pozidriv, though I haven't used these much, if at all.
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Offline sae

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 01:44 PM »
Torx!

I burned through all my Kreg screws as quickly as possible and got some Screw Products Torx headed pocketscrews and hid the Robertson bits.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 02:38 PM »
Robertson, As I haven't used the torx yet
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Offline Neal W

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 02:44 PM »
I'm in favor of the square drive.  The Spax look interesting. I'll have to see if I can find some of those.

Anything but the old standard slotted screws though. 
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2015, 03:28 PM »
   I like the torx better than square. I have used both a lot.  I don't get cam out with either but I find that the driver will stick in the head of square often enough to be really annoying. Couple that with being able to get a truly complete line of sizes and types from a single brand in torx (in the US) and I switched over to them completely.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2015, 04:08 PM »
Haven't used robertson as of yet, but Hex head as pointed out previously are brilliant.

Then again, with a good quality PZ2 bit and screws, I haven't had too much of a problem  [wink]

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Offline elfick

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2015, 04:47 PM »
I prefer Torx, but robertson and hex are fine also. Even Pozi isn't bad. Basically anything except slotted (which are still ok for decorative uses) or phillips.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 05:00 PM »

This is a case where NAIAustralia applies, well generally anyway. Although there are some specialists, most hardware chains down here only stock Phillips.  [eek] There are some treated pine screws available in square, and at work we stock some excellent stainless steel Torx decking screws. The latter are imported from Germany.

For me [owner builder and DIY], the Torx are the best in use for mechanical screwing. The Phillips the worst. Sometimes square will either jump out or, as Seith finds, stick.  Phillips are good when using a hand screwdriver after pre-drill. Slots I always hand screw after pre-drill.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 05:20 PM »

This is a case where NAIAustralia applies, well generally anyway. Although there are some specialists, most hardware chains down here only stock Phillips.  [eek] There are some treated pine screws available in square, and at work we stock some excellent stainless steel Torx decking screws. The latter are imported from Germany.

For me [owner builder and DIY], the Torx are the best in use for mechanical screwing. The Phillips the worst. Sometimes the square will also jump out.  Phillips are very good when using a hand screwdriver. Slots I always hand screw after pre-drill.

The stainless Torx from Germany are probably GRK. That's where they started manufacturing and then they branched out to manufacturing in different countries.
Same thing with Spax, they started in Germany. A lot of their screws look very similar to each other. Especially the lag screw variety with the integral washer.

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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2015, 06:09 PM »
I'm going with Torx by a wide margin.  While I like the Robertson drive, the only place I use it is in my Kreg setup.  When the current stock of screws is exhausted, they will be replaced with Torx. 

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2015, 06:34 PM »
I'm partial to square drive.  And I think PoziDriv should be outlawed, because I never can tell them from Phillips ...   [big grin]

Out of curiosity, I checked Wikipedia on screw types ... Good grief, it's insane how many screw types there are! So I'll add to my desired ban:  Frearson (Reed and Prince), yet another "Phillips" type of profile. I think my first set of Craftsman screwdrivers 40+ years ago included a Reed and Prince.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2015, 08:09 PM »
I'm partial to square drive.  And I think PoziDriv should be outlawed, because I never can tell them from Phillips ...   [big grin]

Out of curiosity, I checked Wikipedia on screw types ... Good grief, it's insane how many screw types there are! So I'll add to my desired ban:  Frearson (Reed and Prince), yet another "Phillips" type of profile. I think my first set of Craftsman screwdrivers 40+ years ago included a Reed and Prince.

Frearson ..... interesting. That could explain some of the poor fitting , Philips driver bits I have come across. Very steep angle that makes it so the bit doesn't seat well in the Philips recess. No matter anymore since I switched to torx.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2015, 08:15 PM »
All GRK screws!!  Torx has lowered my stress levels!!
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2015, 08:24 PM »
I'm partial to square drive.  And I think PoziDriv should be outlawed, because I never can tell them from Phillips ...   [big grin]

They are actually quite easy to tell apart if you look at the head. Phillips are a plain square, PoziDriv have ticks in the inside corners
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2015, 08:32 PM »
While I prefer Square drive to Phillips head I have had cam out on the square drive if I'm in a rush.  The other like Torx, GRK,etc seem to be the same design with different names?

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2015, 08:50 PM »
While I prefer Square drive to Phillips head I have had cam out on the square drive if I'm in a rush.  The other like Torx, GRK,etc seem to be the same design with different names?

Jack
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And if you drop down the page you will find many more shapes.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 08:53 PM »
Fòr general work, Robertson head in all 3 sizes then conformat for edge attachment. I do not like Phillips head screws.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 09:06 PM »
While I prefer Square drive to Phillips head I have had cam out on the square drive if I'm in a rush.  The other like Torx, GRK,etc seem to be the same design with different names?

Jack
Torx is a shape GRK is a manufacturer.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx

Thanks for the reference,

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And if you drop down the page you will find many more shapes.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 10:11 PM »
I'm partial to square drive.  And I think PoziDriv should be outlawed, because I never can tell them from Phillips ...   [big grin]

Out of curiosity, I checked Wikipedia on screw types ... Good grief, it's insane how many screw types there are! So I'll add to my desired ban:  Frearson (Reed and Prince), yet another "Phillips" type of profile. I think my first set of Craftsman screwdrivers 40+ years ago included a Reed and Prince.

Ya that's really annoying  I purchased a Craftsman set 40+ years ago and also received a #1 and a #2 phillips that were categorized by Sears as philips but in actuality were the Reed & Prince configuration. News flash...Reed & Prince actually rounds out philips head screw drive configurations.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2015, 10:42 PM »
I was on board with Robertson screws, but then I got an impact driver with crazy power, and the bit sticks quite a lot. So I would like to try torx now.

Trouble is, I live in a small town, and all they sell by the pound are Phillips. It might be many many years before they get Torx here in the land that time forgot.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2015, 10:44 PM »
I was on board with Robertson screws, but then I got an impact driver with crazy power, and the bit sticks quite a lot. So I would like to try torx now.

Trouble is, I live in a small town, and all they sell by the pound are Phillips. It might be many many years before they get Torx here in the land that time forgot.


  HD in my area sells some of the GRK torx. But there are several on line sources that carry most of the line.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2015, 10:49 PM »
I was on board with Robertson screws, but then I got an impact driver with crazy power, and the bit sticks quite a lot. So I would like to try torx now.

Trouble is, I live in a small town, and all they sell by the pound are Phillips. It might be many many years before they get Torx here in the land that time forgot.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2015, 01:07 AM »
No votes for slot-heads?  I use mine a lot... can never seem to keep track of my can openers.  For driving screws, I like well-fitted Robertson bits.  Torx are good too, and there seems to be less variance in the quality and fit of the screws and drivers.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2015, 05:53 AM »
Pozidriv 1 and 2. Over 90% of screws here is Pozidriv. Other types like Torx are hard to find and more expensive. Robertson is not used here at all, and slotted and Phillips are almost completely on their way out now.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2015, 06:18 AM »
I first came across square drive in New Zealand, they seem to be very common there and I really got to like them.
 In the UK we would always use Spax screws if we could, excellent quality screw.
 In Aus they do seem to be very behind the times when it comes to screws most just sell Phillips and not very good quality ones at that. I have tried everywhere in Aus to get Spax Screws without any luck, even on line, the choice is very limited and then you got the added cost of postage.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2015, 08:06 AM »
I was on board with Robertson screws, but then I got an impact driver with crazy power, and the bit sticks quite a lot. So I would like to try torx now.

Trouble is, I live in a small town, and all they sell by the pound are Phillips. It might be many many years before they get Torx here in the land that time forgot.

The internet is your friend.  You can order whatever screws you want there I hear.  [thumbs up] [poke]

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2015, 08:40 AM »
You can buy all the GRK Screws you want here

Willy, thanks for the link. I didn't know they could be purchased on the internet.

Previously I had to go from local source to local source to find the size, material and configuration I needed. PITA

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2015, 10:05 AM »
I guess I'm just an oddball but I prefer Phillips and have zero problems with them, as long as it is a quality industrial screw and not the soft garbage hardware store variety.

I despise square drive because of the bit sticking in them is worse than annoying.

I never bought any torx but I regularly  have  to back many of them out (as well as square ones) to reposition (fix) misaligned millwork.  The torx screws I've dealt with seem to work well except the head is on the large side which causes problems when a proper countersink is not used, which I see often.

Using an impact, the expensive phillips screws that I use are totally easy to drive and the bit never sticks or cams out and they don't break.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2015, 10:15 AM »
   I think the head size will depend on the brand to some degree. I have found the GRK R4s to actually be a bit smaller head diameter than many others.  Probably also depend on the intended use of a particular screw type as well. I have seen another brand ( I forget the name, I used a box and they were also good screws) of torx 'deck' screws in the big box store  that clearly has a somewhat larger head.

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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 10:19 AM »
GRK screws for 90% of my work. I framed up 3 temporary structures using 2x4 and GRK screws over the last year using the same screws and recycling most of the wood.That means screwing in and out the same 3" plus inch screws with no effect on the head or screw. Being self taping helps the process along nicely. That is quality and I do like their cabinet screws and R4.

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Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2015, 10:34 AM »
Torx 20-25
I think it would be nice if all heads shared the same tip,but I'm dreaming.
Grk gets my vote,then spax,then square drive .
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2015, 10:46 AM »
I've been a big fan of square drive for a long time.  I find that when the bit starts sticking it is either "worn out" or I am over torquing.

I also really like SPAX and GRK star drive.
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2015, 11:33 AM »
GRK screws for 90% of my work. I framed up 3 temporary structures using 2x4 and GRK screws over the last year using the same screws and recycling most of the wood.That means screwing in and out the same 3" plus inch screws with no effect on the head or screw. Being self taping helps the process along nicely. That is quality and I do like their cabinet screws and R4.

Along the same lines of the BMH post, I've found Torx screws to be the best for cement form work. The drive recess doesn't seem to fill with cement as readily as the Robertson drive recess. And even when the recess does have cement in it, you can just "jab" the Torx driver into the recess and it grips good enough (because the bit is flat on the bottom and the edges are sharp) to remove the screw from the form. Some of the screws I use on cement forms have been re-used 15-20 times and they still work, now that's value added. 
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Re: Your favourite Screw Drive Style
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2015, 11:50 AM »
Torx are great when using and impact driver, virtually NO cam out.
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