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Offline Bru

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2008, 11:20 AM »
Haven't tried Kubuntu, might have to download it and try it on my laptop...Just for fun. Thanks for the heads up. Something else to play with....Ya! I'll report back. Bru
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« Reply #121 on: February 06, 2008, 11:28 AM »
Downloading Kuntbutu Hardy Heron alpha 4, have to add to the frustration level by trying an alpha addition. I'll let you know the out come. I keep my laptop for just this thing. Bru About an hour left on the download.
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #122 on: February 06, 2008, 11:54 AM »
Bru,
I think you'll like Kubuntu.  It uses the KDE desktop, which offers much more customization.  I am running Hardy Heron alpha 4 on my laptop, which I also use for experimenting.  So far, it is very stable.  Lots of great new features in 8.04.  In my opinion, once you start using KDE, it's difficult to go back to Gnome.  Of course, there are intense debates online about "Gnome versus KDE"!  It all comes down to opinion.  And as I mentioned, Ubuntu (Gnome) seems to offer better wireless support.

I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about Kubuntu.

Also, have you tried out the other KDE releases?  MEPIS and PCLinuxOS are the most widely used ones, I believe, if you go by what's displayed on the Distrowatch page.  There is also Mint, but that is actually a derivative of Kubuntu, which I don't really understand.

Matt
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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #123 on: February 06, 2008, 12:17 PM »
Played with Mint (liked it), PC Linux would not load (really screwed up with graphics),Mephis I liked didn't play with it very long. Have used Puppy Linux very basic. Kept returning to Ubuntu because I liked the set up, file system, and ease of use. Have tried 3-4 (Suse, Zenwalk,Sabayon,Knoppix)others, I'm not very good with terminal so backed away. Mint with Gnome seemed just like Ubuntu, Mepis with KDE I liked, tried it on a desktop. Had to reload Ubuntu for my granddaughter, she likes it better than Windows. I showed her a few things with Ubuntu and she swam like a fish. She likes her desktop at her grandpa's better then the windows laptop I gave her. I'm at 70% so I'll let you know in a few days how it is going. Bru
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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #124 on: February 06, 2008, 04:26 PM »
Boy its been a while since I played with KDE. I need to find my password book, have my wireless disabled. Having fun setting everything up. Love Amarok,K3b, Deluge, just to name a few. I need to set up Firefox the way I like it and my email. This should give me something to do.
     First thing I did have to change was the splash art work and back round, the octopus blue screen was a little much. Thanks again I've been planning on trying Heron on the laptop anyway, the KDE just adds another level. Thanks Bru.
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2008, 06:39 AM »
Bru,
That's one of the things I like about Kubuntu -- all the ways you can customize it.  I think Ubuntu has some advantages, but after using KDE, I was surprised to see how little one is able to change basic preferences and functions in Gnome.  Sometimes, however, I wonder whether too much customization options can be a bad thing!

I am so impressed with all the great work that has been done by Linux developers.  However, after three months of intense use in a Linux-only household, I must admit that I had to go back to having one computer running Vista.  But I'm hoping that at some point in the near future I can really drop Vista altogether.

Keep reporting on what you see in KDE.

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« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2008, 11:47 AM »
Mathew thought this might be a good link, was online pc mag.www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2256804,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03129TX1K0000625 Ubuntu Link to Wireless Network I'm so used to Gnome, KDE is like a new world lots to learn, a lot is similar. Bru
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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« Reply #127 on: February 07, 2008, 02:00 PM »
Bru,
Yes, I've seen that article.  In the beginning, I had Ubuntu 7.10 installed on my laptop and wireless was not a problem.  Then I switched to Kubuntu and really liked the whole design and all the customization options.  But I was very unhappy about the lack of wireless support.  I keep hoping that new releases will take care of the issue.
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« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2008, 10:39 PM »
Matthew I was wondering if you went with Ubuntu and then add the KDE environment to Gnome if that might give you your wireless and the KDE features you like? I'm really having a hard time getting into KDE, guess I'm getting to set in my ways. It just doesn't keep my interest the way it used to. Sorry I wasn't more help....Bru  Been out in the shop to much lately, building storage and work benches. Remodeled the shop, one of those 2 week projects that you keep adding on to. Probably be done in another 3-4 weeks. Set up all new dust collection, new work bench with 12 drawers, new router table stand, storage and ext. table for TS, seems like you start with one or two projects and end up with 15 or 20.
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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #129 on: February 19, 2008, 12:54 PM »
Bru,
That's one of the things I like about Kubuntu -- all the ways you can customize it. ...  Sometimes, however, I wonder whether too much customization options can be a bad thing!
Matt

Not Being a natural PC person, but one who was "forced" to self-learn to use one by my employer, and often very frustrated by Windows and MS' approach to different software, and especially MS Word (with its hidden formatting codes that generally are positioned after the text they are controlling), I wholly agree that too many customization options can be undesirable and arguably counterproductive.  Too many options and too many ways of accomplishing the same PC tasks means that the underlying programs have to be larger.  Eventually it becomes a time consuming challenge to find the right commands or even the right instructions to do various rather simple tasks.  After >10 years with MS Word, I have yet to find it the equal of WordPerfect 5.1 running on DOS, and yet to find anything I need to do that the much older software could not do (faster and more reliably with fewer keystrokes). 

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #130 on: March 25, 2008, 12:35 AM »
Hey Matt,

Linux is awesome if you give yourself a few months to get to know the ins and outs of it (just like when a new windows version comes out).  I particularly like KDE, but it is just a matter of preference as you try it out.  Ubuntu is an awesome distribution...but no matter what you pick, you want to have online repositories.  I may be dating myself here as the last time I touched Linux was a 2 years ago.  I use to work for big blue doing Linux clusters, what an awesome feel of having 30 feet of server cabinets acting as one (simplicity speaking).  Unfortunately I have relinquished my home Linux server and moved all my we hosting over to a domain hosting service. 

May the force be with you.

--Jason

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #131 on: March 25, 2008, 07:03 AM »
Jason,
As I mentioned above, I really like the design and function of Linux, and I continue to use it on a mobile laptop.  However, for my home computer, I recently had to make the difficult decision to return to Windows.  The simple reason is that I could not get Linux to work with the new scanner and printer I installed in my home office.  Also, I could never get wireless file sharing or printer sharing to work properly even with my old (Linux-compatible) printer.

It's too bad, really.  But I will be keeping in touch with Linux developments, and using Linux on my laptop.  As soon as they fix their driver issues, I will definitely re-adopt Linux full-time!

Matthew
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Offline Zaphod

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« Reply #132 on: March 25, 2008, 08:38 AM »
Jason,
As I mentioned above, I really like the design and function of Linux, and I continue to use it on a mobile laptop.  However, for my home computer, I recently had to make the difficult decision to return to Windows.  The simple reason is that I could not get Linux to work with the new scanner and printer I installed in my home office.  Also, I could never get wireless file sharing or printer sharing to work properly even with my old (Linux-compatible) printer.

It's too bad, really.  But I will be keeping in touch with Linux developments, and using Linux on my laptop.  As soon as they fix their driver issues, I will definitely re-adopt Linux full-time!

Matthew

If your new scanner & printer is a combo unit; driver support is spotty with Linux but improving quickly as even more manufacturers are releasing Linux drivers.  Wireless network card worked except for sharing files?  Printer worked except for sharing over a network?  Without more details; it sounds like you simply needed to setup Samba to get Windoze SMB/CIFS networking functioning. 




Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #133 on: March 26, 2008, 07:39 AM »
Zaphod,
Yes, I was trying to use the HP 8180 all-in-one (a terrific printer, by the way).  The funny thing is, I bought the HP because my previous printer was an HP 5200 and I was very impressed by how nicely it worked with Linux.  HP seems to be one of the few manufacturers that makes their products compatible with Linux.  Anyway, I checked the compatibility listings, and asked on the technical forums, and all evidence indicated that the HP 8180 is compatible.  Well, scanning would not work.  Drilling into arcane Linux documents revealed that the 8100 series is not 100% compatible.  I installed and ran numerous tweaks and code to get it to scan, but absolutely nothing worked.

Regarding file sharing, also no luck.  The irony is that it's easier to set up wireless file sharing if you have at least one Windows computer.  I was running Linux on all my computers.  I tried Samba, and so many other things I couldn't even list them all.  I drilled into so many settings my head hurt.  Still, file sharing would not work.  What I learned is that getting Internet access from a network is not a problem because all you're doing is picking up a signal.  File sharing requires a whole different set of requirements.

Bottom line: there are so many things I like about Linux, and I so wish I could run it full time.  When I open Linux on my laptop, I really like how well it runs (quick startup and clean applications), the way it looks, and the repository system is amazing.  I am very impressed with the variety of open-source applications available for Linux, and the ability to customize everything you want.  The software itself, in my humble opinion, is superior to Windows.

The only problem is lack of hardware support.  That's what forced me to return to Windows on my main computer.  Believe me, I will re-install Linux in a moment when the hardware issues are resolved.

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Offline Zaphod

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #134 on: March 26, 2008, 12:31 PM »
Matthew,

Can you access shared Windoze folders from your Linux laptop?  What about vice-versa?

Zaphod

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #135 on: March 26, 2008, 12:45 PM »
Can you access shared Windoze folders from your Linux laptop?  What about vice-versa?

Communication between a Windows computer and a Linux computer works.  But communication between two Linux computers does not work.
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« Reply #136 on: March 26, 2008, 07:56 PM »
My server runs Linux and is available from both Linux and Windows.
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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #137 on: March 27, 2008, 12:59 AM »


Do you mean NFS does not work across Linux machines ?

The documentation at http://nfs.sourceforge.net/  might help you to set it up prop'ly. 


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« Reply #138 on: March 27, 2008, 11:29 AM »
mhch, I've just turned on NFS because we're going to be running GnuCash, but I've been running Samba (Windows shares) for quite a while.
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #139 on: March 27, 2008, 11:49 AM »
Good Morning,
Well, I'm not sure what was going on in my situation.  But I'll tell you, I spent a lot of time going through documentation and asking questions on the Linux technical sites.  Samba, NFS...couldn't get any of it to work for file or printer sharing.

It seems there are variations across the different distributions, with some of them doing a better job than others with network configuration.  For example, it seems that a lot of people report different experiences with Kubuntu versus PCLinuxOS.  I was using Kubnuntu, and I did not have enough time to look into other distributions.  I'd be curious to know if someone has compared Kubuntu to PCLinuxOS or MEPIS (those are the distributions that I liked the most).

I was willing to live without file or printer sharing.  What killed full-time Linux use for me was a lack of driver support.  But every time I start up my Linux laptop, I wish driver support was not an issue, because I really like Linux.

Matthew
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Offline Zaphod

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #140 on: March 27, 2008, 11:53 AM »
Matthew,

Are you sure you had BOTH samba server and client installed.  Without the server component you could view shares, but not create shares.  My hunch is that the samba server was not installed. Another quick check is to make sure the workgroup name is the same.

Zaphod

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #141 on: March 27, 2008, 11:55 AM »
Are you sure you had BOTH samba server and client installed.  Without the server component you could view shares, but not create shares.  My hunch is that the samba server was not installed. Another quick check is to make sure the workgroup name is the same.

Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here.  I was using Kubuntu (KDE-based distribution).  Ubuntu seems to work better, but I don't like the Gnome desktop.
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Offline Zaphod

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« Reply #142 on: March 27, 2008, 01:36 PM »
Matthew,

I don't think we're on the same page.  Samba is a software package that runs on virtually all 'Nix platforms.  Your choice of Linux distro is not the issue.  In brief, the Samba client allows you to VIEW Windoze resources (shared folders, printers, etc.).  The Samba server allows you to SHARE resources with other Windoze and Samba clients. 

Regarding your preferred desktop,  You can install Ubuntu and then also install KDE and use it or Gnome.  Keep in mind that Kubuntu IS Ubuntu!  Only the GUI and associated software is different.

Hope that helped

Zaphod

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #143 on: April 07, 2008, 09:19 AM »
Zaphod,
I was able to get file sharing and print sharing to work (about 80% of the time) between Windows and Linux.  The problem was, I could not get file sharing or print sharing to work (at all) between two Linux computers.  Additionally, I could not configure my new printer/scanner on a Linux machine.  My hope was to become a 100% Linux household, but because of the wireless issues and hardware incompatibility, it's not possible at the moment.  But I do hope it will be possible one day!  As soon as Linux developers iron out these last couple of kinks, I will be among the first to get rid of Windows altogether.
Matthew
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Offline Zaphod

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #144 on: April 08, 2008, 10:56 AM »
Matthew,

As per my earlier post; your networking difficulties suggest you don't have the Samba server on your Linux box. 
A few things to check:

Can the linux machine see shares on other machines?  If so, the samba client is working.
Can other machines see shares on the Linux machine?  If not, the samba server may not be running.
Also, make sure you have actually shared something via samba.  Check your smb.conf file; if you're not comfortable editing it manually, there's a few KDE utilities to do so; SWAT also works well.

I doubt your networking trouble is related to a Linux network driver; not impossible but very unlikely.  What type of network card are you using? 

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #145 on: April 08, 2008, 11:29 AM »


An easily forgotten detail is that  DHCP by default automatically assign  IP addresses
of his choice when a computer starts its network access services (Linux or Windows).
That creates cross network access failures when accessing computers and printers
across the networl

Make sure you force the DHCP server to always assign the same IP addresses to the
same computer or printer, which you do by setting some appropriate options and
values in one of the configuration screen of your router or modem/router.

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Re: Any Linux Users Here?
« Reply #146 on: December 11, 2009, 10:37 AM »
Yes, I know,... old thread.

Just the same you can pout me on this list. I have been using Linux for 10 years +-

My distro of choice is Mandriva (formerly Mandrake).

I do not have a windows install on this laptop, which is fine by me.

Yes, there are some apps which I simply cannot run, pity for the company that makes them, for as a result I will not buy them unless they are natively supported in Linux.

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