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Are you guys suggesting I get a iPad 3g and get a seperate data plan for it or is tethering ok?
My experience with tethering from my phone, both BB and Android, was it was pretty tough on the phone's battery life. An iPad 3G data plan for $20 month, with no battery worries, is something to consider for the added versatility. |
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« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2011, 08:54 PM » |
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Are you guys suggesting I get a iPad 3g and get a seperate data plan for it or is tethering ok?
My experience with tethering from my phone, both BB and Android, was it was pretty tough on the phone's battery life. An iPad 3G data plan for $20 month, with no battery worries, is something to consider for the added versatility. That is a good point and 100% correct. The thing is that I only use tethering for work, so unless I am using VPN or dropbox, i only use the Ipad to write. It is how do you work, it works for me, but it might not work for the rest. |
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There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.
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« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2011, 09:47 PM » |
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Woodguy, I don't have a link but I do have pics. Here ya go. The thing is made by Incase, it is not listed on the Apple website. Found it in the store. Hope that helps.
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« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2011, 07:53 AM » |
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Woodguy, I don't have a link but I do have pics. Here ya go. The thing is made by Incase, it is not listed on the Apple website. Found it in the store. Hope that helps.
Markus
That is pretty nice. I like the idea of the keyboard for doing real typing stuff. But, by adding this and carrying it around, wouldn't the 11" MacBook Air be better? Oh, by the way, my wife is a teacher. So we get a discount on the Mac, but not on the iPad. |
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« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2011, 08:59 AM » |
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The Ipad and mac book air are so different.
The mac book air, will give you more computer power, freedom of choice on what to do and how to do it. Air requires tethering or wifi so you loose the choice to have the 3G included like with an Ipad.
The Ipad is more like to enter small info into the Ipad,such as customer requirements, sizes, etc. You won't have access to Sketchup (If you use it), you will have a better/easier way to present images than with the macbook air. (Mac book air can do it,but you have to use the mouse pad, not the screen).
With the Ipad, you might have the keyboard (the one Holzhacker showed) with you or not. It depends if you need it right on the field at that moment, mac book air does not have that option. Without the keyboard you can hold the Ipad and Type, with the Macbook Air will be more cumbersome. The macbook air is more oriented to be in a table/desk the Ipad is oriented so you can hold it.
It is always what do you want to do, just try to imagine yourself in the field.
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There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.
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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2011, 09:14 AM » |
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The Ipad and mac book air are so different.
The mac book air, will give you more computer power, freedom of choice on what to do and how to do it. Air requires tethering or wifi so you loose the choice to have the 3G included like with an Ipad.
The Ipad is more like to enter small info into the Ipad,such as customer requirements, sizes, etc. You won't have access to Sketchup (If you use it), you will have a better/easier way to present images than with the macbook air. (Mac book air can do it,but you have to use the mouse pad, not the screen).
With the Ipad, you might have the keyboard (the one Holzhacker showed) with you or not. It depends if you need it right on the field at that moment, mac book air does not have that option. Without the keyboard you can hold the Ipad and Type, with the Macbook Air will be more cumbersome. The macbook air is more oriented to be in a table/desk the Ipad is oriented so you can hold it.
It is always what do you want to do, just try to imagine yourself in the field.
That is a tough call. Using in the truck, the iPad may be easier due to space. Using for typing anything, the Mac will be easier due to the keyboard. And it is nice not to have to lug around a keyboard. The Mac can probably do more because it is a full computer. But will I need that. Google Sketchup. I have never used it. But that is something I would like to learn too. Never having used it, I am not sure if that is something I would be doing in the field. I imagine it would be nice to draw up something quickly to show a sub or a homeowner. But again, is that easily done?? Next, if I did go iPad, do I wait for the 3? That is the one thing I hate about this apple stuff. They never make it perfect the first time around. We all know why. |
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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2011, 10:07 AM » |
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Typing on the Ipad 2 is much better & easier than i thought it would be. If i went the cordless keyboard route i would leave it at home.
I am a self employed Carpenter & i use my Ipad for the following,
checking emails or sending
researching stuff on the tinterweb
showing pictures of past projects to clients
taking pictures & emailing them at the touch of a button
taking video if required
typing up an invoice right there in someones home & emailing it to there home computer
reading the newspaper at lunchtime
listen to music if i desire
speak to my buddy in Australia on facetime
take notes & do sketches using notebook & using a stylus
probably lots more but cant think of them right now.
Remember, all this on something smaller than most notepads. Also up to 10hrs battery life. I don't know what battery life a Macbook air has but my dell has only 1.5hrs battery life.
I honestly cant put mine down & don't regret the purchase at all. I bought the 32gb 3G & the smart cover (that cover is so cool)
I decision now is do i get an Iphone or a Blackberry ?
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too
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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2011, 10:27 AM » |
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When you Apple people use the term, "tethering", are you connected by a cable?
I use my T-mobile phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot.
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« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2011, 10:31 AM » |
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Mac book air has Up to 5 - 7 hours depending of model.
Remember that time is based in a controlled usage, even the iPad if you use it heavily it will drain the battery faster. I have an apps that if I use it for more than one hour the Pad battery is drain from 100% to 5%
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« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2011, 10:33 AM » |
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When you Apple people use the term, "tethering", are you connected by a cable?
I use my T-mobile phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot.
Tom
Tom, It can be any way you want it. I have the option to tethering via wifi, cable and blutooth. I am using Mywi app in my iPhone. |
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There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.
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« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2011, 06:37 PM » |
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Can't you get a car charger for the iPad and the MacBook?
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« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2011, 06:40 PM » |
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Save yourself some bucks and get versatility. Buy a cheap inverter for the car. Then plug in the normal stuff.
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #72 on: September 12, 2011, 08:25 PM » |
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Good idea.
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« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2011, 12:19 AM » |
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Google Sketchup. I have never used it. But that is something I would like to learn too. Never having used it, I am not sure if that is something I would be doing in the field. I imagine it would be nice to draw up something quickly to show a sub or a homeowner. But again, is that easily done??
I use SketchUp heavily and don't see the actual program as a tool for field use. It would be tough to use the drawing tools on an iPad with no mouse. Orbiting around a 3D model for a client is another thing, but you can do that with a SketchUp model on an iPad already. |
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« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2011, 07:17 AM » |
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Google Sketchup. I have never used it. But that is something I would like to learn too. Never having used it, I am not sure if that is something I would be doing in the field. I imagine it would be nice to draw up something quickly to show a sub or a homeowner. But again, is that easily done??
I use SketchUp heavily and don't see the actual program as a tool for field use. It would be tough to use the drawing tools on an iPad with no mouse. Orbiting around a 3D model for a client is another thing, but you can do that with a SketchUp model on an iPad already. Is this SketchUp model preloaded on the iPad? Did you say you use a stylus for it? |
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« Reply #75 on: September 13, 2011, 07:32 AM » |
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I don't know what program was being referenced for viewing the models, but I found one that might be interesting named SightSpace 3D. I have not used it.
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« Reply #76 on: September 13, 2011, 07:33 AM » |
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Ok, I think I am ready.
I get $100 back if I purchase before the 20th.
Every little bit helps, but I can't help but feel something better will be coming out on the 21st.
I just need help configuring everything.
27" iMac
-Standard Memory and Hard Drive. This should be ok I think.
-Mouse and Trackpad. Do I need the Mouse?
-Wirless Keyboard with keypad. Or should I get them seperate.
-Apple Care
-One to One
-Apple Battery Charger
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- Account Edge
- iWork (we have this on the office managers iMac, by the way she is my sister, can I use it on the new one too?)
- Do I need anything from Microsoft??
- How do I transfer my stuff from my Dell to the Mac?
iPad 2 (or should I wait for the 3)
-WiFi + 3G/64GB
What else?
iPhone 5 (when it comes out) By the way, I am currently with Att. In my area Att is ok.
-Have to wait and see when it comes out, but now thinking 32GB.
Please, take it easy on my wallet.
Thanks!
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« Reply #77 on: September 13, 2011, 09:36 AM » |
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YOu will get good with the track pad, it can substitute the mouse. I am old fashion and I need a mouse to work with sketchup.
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« Reply #78 on: September 13, 2011, 11:55 PM » |
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I don't know what program was being referenced for viewing the models, but I found one that might be interesting named SightSpace 3D. I have not used it.
Peter
It's a service and app from 3Dvia.com Here's a quickie YouTube video of a current project of mine on my iPad:
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« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2011, 12:04 AM » |
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Google Sketchup. I have never used it. But that is something I would like to learn too. Never having used it, I am not sure if that is something I would be doing in the field. I imagine it would be nice to draw up something quickly to show a sub or a homeowner. But again, is that easily done??
I use SketchUp heavily and don't see the actual program as a tool for field use. It would be tough to use the drawing tools on an iPad with no mouse. Orbiting around a 3D model for a client is another thing, but you can do that with a SketchUp model on an iPad already. Is this SketchUp model preloaded on the iPad? Did you say you use a stylus for it? I do use a stylus on the iPad for taking notes, but I can't imagine myself using one with SketchUp. |
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I don't know what program was being referenced for viewing the models, but I found one that might be interesting named SightSpace 3D. I have not used it.
Peter
It's a service and app from 3Dvia.com Here's a quickie YouTube video of a current project of mine on my iPad: Sketchup on an iPad2(hope it works, I'm on the balcony typing this on my iPad) That little video showed me exactly why I want an iPad. The Touch Screen. Seeing it like that really shows the ease. Thanks for that. It seems like that app is the one for the iPad, and Google Sketchup would be more for the iMac. But, is 3Dvia an equal program to Sketchup. Would I need Sketchup? Again, trying to keep my learning curve to a minimum. |
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YOu will get good with the track pad, it can substitute the mouse. I am old fashion and I need a mouse to work with sketchup.
I use a mouse and 3D mouse, one in each hand, I could never go back to one mouse. And a track pad? No way!For serious sketchup the 3D mouse(I use the SpacePilot PRO, but the cheaper versions are good as well) is a must! http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacepilot-pro.html |
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The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.
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« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2011, 10:18 AM » |
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That mouse looks fantastic, but the price will keep me away from it. I wish I could afford it.
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YOu will get good with the track pad, it can substitute the mouse. I am old fashion and I need a mouse to work with sketchup.
I use a mouse and 3D mouse, one in each hand, I could never go back to one mouse. And a track pad? No way!For serious sketchup the 3D mouse(I use the SpacePilot PRO, but the cheaper versions are good as well) is a must! http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacepilot-pro.htmlHOLY WICK!!! I hope you're getting the best bang for your buck with that!!! $400 for a rodent is pretty steep.    |
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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2011, 02:40 PM » |
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I don't think I am qualified to use such a device.
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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2011, 04:46 PM » |
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That little video showed me exactly why I want an iPad. The Touch Screen. Seeing it like that really shows the ease. Thanks for that.
It seems like that app is the one for the iPad, and Google Sketchup would be more for the iMac.
But, is 3Dvia an equal program to Sketchup. Would I need Sketchup? Again, trying to keep my learning curve to a minimum.
Yes, you would still need to have Sketchup on a computer in order to generate drawings/models. Sketchup is computer 3D modeling software. The iPad "app" from3Dvia is just a small Ipad specific application that allows you to view a Sketchup model, created elsewhere, on the iPad. |
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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2011, 04:51 PM » |
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YOu will get good with the track pad, it can substitute the mouse. I am old fashion and I need a mouse to work with sketchup.
I use a mouse and 3D mouse, one in each hand, I could never go back to one mouse. And a track pad? No way!For serious sketchup the 3D mouse(I use the SpacePilot PRO, but the cheaper versions are good as well) is a must! http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacepilot-pro.htmlI've used the SpaceNavigator with SketchUp for a couple of year now. I would not do without it, OR something to take its place, like the SpacePilot.  Actually, been thinking about making that purchase. I keep having to take my left hand off the SpaceNavigator to perform a function ... in for a penny, in for a pound! |
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« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2011, 11:14 AM » |
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Now I am jumping ahead of myself here since I did not get my iMac yet. And I have never used Sketchup.
But what is wrong with Space Navigator unit for $79? That has to work better then a mouse for Sketchup. And $79 is not all that bad.
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« Reply #88 on: September 15, 2011, 06:46 PM » |
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Now I am jumping ahead of myself here since I did not get my iMac yet. And I have never used Sketchup.
But what is wrong with Space Navigator unit for $79? That has to work better then a mouse for Sketchup. And $79 is not all that bad.
Actually, the SpaceNavigator does not take the place of the mouse, it is used with the other hand to "navigate" around the model while doing the actual "drawing" with the mouse. It takes a bit of practice but soon becomes second nature. I'd say you have to be pretty hardcore SketchUp to get full benefit from it, but it is a time saver when putting together large models, like a full, detailed kitchen model. |
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« Reply #89 on: September 22, 2011, 03:39 PM » |
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So what's the latest, any new toys ??
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
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