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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2012, 09:40 AM »

Yes, I really need to read up on what the cloud has to offer.
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2012, 10:15 AM »

I use Carbonite, about $50/year. It works quietly in the background with no issues.

Caveat is I have not lost a hard drive since I started using it (by which you can infer what caused me to START using it...), so I have never had to test it to make sure I could get everything back without issues. It also does not backup system files (windows/installed programs), only documents/data/photos/etc.

Worth a look, not least because you can implement it with a credit card and about 20 minutes of your time. Wink Later you can find a perfect solution.

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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2012, 11:45 AM »

Yes, I really need to read up on what the cloud has to offer.

what I use (and recommend) is SugarSync. I chose it, even over MobileMe which at the time I was already paying for, simply because they (at the time at least) were the only service that was using AES 256 encryption to store the files. That means you don't have to worry about disgruntled employees or people hacking into your private stuff. For me this was important because I store ALL our financial docs as scanned images - no paper cabinets in my house.

Cost is like $5/mo I think, more storage than I'll ever need.
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2012, 02:55 PM »

File privacy is my major issue with large scale cloud based backup. They'll be able to build a safer, more robust data center than I'd ever be able to do at home - but those files are being moved over the wire and then stored by a third party. Places where large amounts of communication or data are transacted in a uniform way are prime targets for hackers. (or governments).  Strong encryption is good, but codebreaking has made significant advances in recent years and will continue to be a major area of focus.

It's more pertinent to state secrets than individuals, but today many encrypted transmissions that can't be broken are simply being stored in anticipation of the day when they inevitably WILL be able to be decrypted.  Ok, now I've got my Friday the 13th post out of the way Wink
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2012, 07:36 PM »

File privacy

That's the big reason why I myself will never use cloud service or any other form of online storage. Ultimately, there is no privacy once a file goes online.

My privacy is a lot bigger concern to me than any form of "convenience", as they call it. In fact, I find it a lot more convenient to decide for myself which of my files go to which of my devices, instead of just throwing them on one big heap where my big brother or any other of my smaller brothers can "conveniently" watch over my shoulders.
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2012, 10:01 PM »

I use Carbonite, about $50/year. It works quietly in the background with no issues.

I've heard good things about Carbonite. In my case, I just bought a Samsung S3 phone and it comes with a free cloud storage option for two years if I remember correctly. I plan on trying it out and then near the end of those two years, I'll consider if I want to continue with it.
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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2012, 06:05 AM »

Well just a quick update.  Still no word on the iPhone but i did buy a 13" Macbook Air  Big Grin
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2012, 12:28 PM »

Well just a quick update.  Still no word on the iPhone but i did buy a 13" Macbook Air  Big Grin


Press conference, sept 12th:

http://Http://www.macrumors.com
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2012, 01:30 PM »

File privacy

That's the big reason why I myself will never use cloud service or any other form of online storage. Ultimately, there is no privacy once a file goes online.

My privacy is a lot bigger concern to me than any form of "convenience", as they call it. In fact, I find it a lot more convenient to decide for myself which of my files go to which of my devices, instead of just throwing them on one big heap where my big brother or any other of my smaller brothers can "conveniently" watch over my shoulders.

The cloud services really should build in encryption so that this is not an issue. Otherwise you can do your own. It's not as convenient but that's the tradeoff.

I have much bigger concerns about privacy when it comes to banks, phone companies etc. sharing information, and advertising companies tracking users, or web mail services scanning mail to extract information. I don't belong to social networks and I have my own email server for these reasons.

One of the things I wish we had in the US that Europe has is stronger privacy laws.

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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2012, 01:42 PM »

I use the cloud for storage of 13 TB.

If I didn't I would have lost priceless(for me information) information already when my home network crashed.

If you buy online or use a bank online or use paypal, there is no reason not to use cloud storage where the uploads and downloads are encrypted. Out of all my files only very few do I deem so personal that I do not upload them, but 99.9% of my files I really don't care if someone steals.

Hackers want to create havoc and people that want info want social security numbers and visa numbers, etc  and who puts that on the cloud? That is all online through the banking services and the credit bureau, that should be the main concern not someone stealing your photos, software backups or other computer files.

I have had  cloud storage basically since it was available for consumers, never an issue yet. I love it.
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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2012, 02:31 PM »

I just wish there were cloud storage providers that would do honestly encrypted storage, not just encrypted communications.

Any storage provider who claims to store only encrypted customer data and at the same time say that they provide optimized storage with duplicate clensing is lying through their teeth on one or the other feature.

Dropbox, et al. Unfortunately have master keys to all data stored into their cloud unless you store encrypted files or an encypted container. Both of which effectively are non-friendlies to mobile devices.
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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2012, 04:42 PM »



Any storage provider who claims to store only encrypted customer data and at the same time say that they provide optimized storage with duplicate clensing is lying through their teeth on one or the other feature.



www.sugarsync.com
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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2012, 02:31 PM »

I use the cloud for storage of 13 TB.

If I didn't I would have lost priceless(for me information) information already when my home network crashed.

If you buy online or use a bank online or use paypal, there is no reason not to use cloud storage where the uploads and downloads are encrypted. Out of all my files only very few do I deem so personal that I do not upload them, but 99.9% of my files I really don't care if someone steals.

Hackers want to create havoc and people that want info want social security numbers and visa numbers, etc  and who puts that on the cloud? That is all online through the banking services and the credit bureau, that should be the main concern not someone stealing your photos, software backups or other computer files.

I have had  cloud storage basically since it was available for consumers, never an issue yet. I love it.

I can't imagine how much 13TB of cloud storage would cost.  From what I can tell, Google would charge over $1,300 per month, and I have to believe my ISP (Comcast) would charge a lot for all the necessary bandwidth of moving that much data to and from the cloud.
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2012, 04:35 PM »

The recent high-profile hacking of a Mat Honan's accounts shows that cloud based services are also vulnerable to hacking. When hackers gain access to your cloud storage, they can read or just destroy whatever may be in there. If your cloud storage provider has no means of decrypting files you have stored there, that would at least prevent the unauthorized reading of anything.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2012, 04:41 PM »

So if a hacker was to delete your stuff from the cloud, would it also disappear from your devices ?
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2012, 04:51 PM »

yes because it's saved to the cloud and not your device unless you've specifically backed it up
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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2012, 12:14 AM »

So if a hacker was to delete your stuff from the cloud, would it also disappear from your devices ?

Good question. At least with sugarsync and the other services I've evaluated , the files are on your device and synced to the cloud (and your other devices). I'll need to look into what happens when delete a file n the cloud through the web browser interface.
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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2012, 02:53 AM »

A friend of mine is just back from Euro Disney & she took videos on her iPhone.  When she got home the pictures & videos automatically saved to her iPad & i would presume cloud.
Her son wanted to watch the videos on her phone & must have deleted them from the phone.  She checked her iPad & they are gone from that as well.
Is there any way to retrieve them ?

Thanks.
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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2012, 04:36 AM »

If your cloud storage provider has no means of decrypting files you have stored there, that would at least prevent the unauthorized reading of anything.

Wouldn't that problem be easily eliminated by using an encrypting program that encrypts as you upload and decrypts when you download?
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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2012, 06:15 AM »

If your cloud storage provider has no means of decrypting files you have stored there, that would at least prevent the unauthorized reading of anything.

Wouldn't that problem be easily eliminated by using an encrypting program that encrypts as you upload and decrypts when you download?

I got real smart in the early eighties ... extended the editor I was using and used a multi cycle encryption technique I invented with pass keys ... what I hadn't realised in my narrow focused paranoia was that it was valuable as a technology ... I just gave it to everyone feeling quite clever with myself (thinking I'm giving them the code, but they can't use it to decrypt my work without my keys).

DOH!

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« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2012, 09:25 AM »

If your cloud storage provider has no means of decrypting files you have stored there, that would at least prevent the unauthorized reading of anything.
Wouldn't that problem be easily eliminated by using an encrypting program that encrypts as you upload and decrypts when you download?

Yes it would, but here's the catch - can you name a single cloud vendor independent inline encrypt/decrypt plugin/app? Much less one that would work on Windows 7, Mac OS X, iOS, Android and Windows Phone seamlessly?

I use PGP regularly to protect stuff on a PC and Mac, but it fails miserably on mobile devices, TrueCrypt works on PC, not on mobile devices... etc.

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« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2012, 12:15 PM »

So if a hacker was to delete your stuff from the cloud, would it also disappear from your devices ?

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IMPORTANT: It's important to understand that deleting files using SugarSync File Manager or the SugarSync Website also deletes them from your computers since the files are synced together. Syncing works in two-directions, if you make a deletion in SugarSync, the files delete on your computers as well. When deleted, your files are moved to the Deleted Files folder and can be restored until they are permanently deleted.

WHich is why I have a REALLY good password on that account which is not used anywhere else.

I'll ask SugarSync if they have any strategies in place for this scenario...
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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2012, 09:30 PM »

Yes it would, but here's the catch - can you name a single cloud vendor independent inline encrypt/decrypt plugin/app? Much less one that would work on Windows 7, Mac OS X, iOS, Android and Windows Phone seamlessly?

Ok, that might be a problem, but I don't think it's unsolvable, nor even very difficult to solve. Not that very many are going to have all of those varying OS devices, but even if they did, for the time being you could use different encrypting/decrypting processes run by a batch file.
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« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2012, 01:02 PM »

CNET's liveblog of today's Apple announcements.

http://live.cnet.com/Event/CNETs_Apple_event_live_blog_Wednesday_September_12
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« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2012, 01:23 PM »

I have had  cloud storage basically since it was available for consumers, never an issue yet. I love it.

Sounds like you're about due.

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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2012, 01:40 PM »

4" Retina display, adds 5th row of icons per screen
20% lighter than iPhone 4
18% thinner than iPhone 4 (7.6mm)
A6 processor, roughly 2x faster for CPU and graphics
4G cellular (including LTE)
8 megapixel camera sensor (iSight)  Huh?!
Modest battery life improvements
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Three microphones, better speaker
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« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2012, 01:43 PM »

Sounds like a galaxy s2, someone should sue.
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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2012, 05:11 PM »

Sounds like a galaxy s2, someone should sue.

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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2012, 10:52 PM »

A friend of mine is just back from Euro Disney & she took videos on her iPhone.  When she got home the pictures & videos automatically saved to her iPad & i would presume cloud.
Her son wanted to watch the videos on her phone & must have deleted them from the phone.  She checked her iPad & they are gone from that as well.
Is there any way to retrieve them ?

Thanks.
I don't have the complete answer to that, suggest you call Apple.  But when I recently took a class at Apple, they mentioned that feature and said that they are kept in the cloud (at no charge) for 30 days. 

Typed on my beloved Macbook Air.  I have been using PCs since they first came out (and an Apple II before that).   Moving to Apple and loving it.  Apple Backup - Time Machine is awesome - easy as pie and full of features.
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« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2012, 12:20 AM »

A friend of mine is just back from Euro Disney & she took videos on her iPhone.  When she got home the pictures & videos automatically saved to her iPad & i would presume cloud.
Her son wanted to watch the videos on her phone & must have deleted them from the phone.  She checked her iPad & they are gone from that as well.
Is there any way to retrieve them ?

Thanks.

Just saw this so hopefully you've resolved the issue by now. But just in case...

When you take photos on the iPhone they are entered to both your "camera roll" and into the iCloud photo stream. Once in photo stream they sync with all your other *registered* devices. So it sounds like that's what happened to get them onto the iPad. It sounds like when he deleted them on the phone, it was from the photo stream, which would also delete them on the iPad. However the photos are still probably on the camera roll.

If not, one has to wonder why he would delete them from both locations....
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