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Offline Wooden Skye

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Sketchup
« on: March 22, 2013, 09:12 PM »
I am sure Seth or Peter will move this topic.

I am having the hardest time learning Sketchup.  I have watched all the Sketchup for Woodworkers videos by Bob Lang and Popular Woodworking, and I just can't seem to do anything.  I am watching on 1 computer while working on another, been watching and tinkering for almost 7 hours the past couple days.  Is this normal?  Am I just that computer illiterate when it comes to computer design?  I installed an update to Sketchup 8, and it seems some of the tools just aren't the same as in the videos.  Before I get banned for life and really express my frustration, can someone point me to a class or other resources that might help me.  Woodcraft used to have a class, but all 3 times I registered, they were cancelled.  I tried Sketchlist 3D and after watching some videos and asking for help, I was able to design something.  I am just looking to avoid paying $500 for the Sketchlist Pro version, cause I feel the hobby version is limited.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 09:15 PM »
Haven't seen those vids, did u try the regular sketch up videos?

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2013, 09:19 PM »
I did the last time I tried learning, then I found these and thought by woodworker for woodworker would be better.  Maybe I should try the others.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2013, 09:26 PM »
It is tricky to learn but don't give up. One tip is always work on layers and make each piece into a component. Is you don't do this everything just sticks together. For example make one table leg then save it as a component and move it to a layer named "finished parts" or similar. Always do your basic work with the default layer active the move stuff to other layers.

Good luck!

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2013, 09:30 PM »
I did the last time I tried learning, then I found these and thought by woodworker for woodworker would be better.  Maybe I should try the others.

Eh, I'd go to a woodworker to teach me woodworking, not 3d computer drawing...

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2013, 09:44 PM »
I was searching on Lumberjocks and found a basic tutorial and it made sense.  Off to play around.  Hopefully this at least gets me going in a positive direction.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2013, 09:55 PM »
if it makes you feel any better.
im good at inventer and autocad,alpha cam,etc but cant use sketch up. go figure. tried it a few times but could get nowhere.
i will have to learn because my access to inventer etc is gone now
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2013, 10:04 PM »
I MADE A BOOKCASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2013, 10:07 PM »
bryan. are you sure you didnt just import it. lol.

im sure its easier than im making it out to be
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2013, 10:27 PM »
Alan

Wouldn't know how to import it.  Baby Steps.  Maybe I should always have a couple of Guinness whenever I do Sketchup.  If I knew how to insert a link, I would send you the video link.  Maybe I can figure that out as well if I have couple more.  Guinness = Better Computer Learning!
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2013, 11:09 PM »
I MADE A BOOKCASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was this the Gary Katz video?  I think his bookcase video is one of the best.  If it wasn't the one you are referring to check it out here, Gary Katz, Sketchup Tutorial: Drawing A Bookcase.
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Offline Wooden Skye

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2013, 11:29 PM »
Brice,

It wasn't Gary's tutorial.  It was at sketchupforwoodworkers.com.  I will have to check out Gary's.  Thanks for more resources.  Sketchup for Woodworkers is very basic and somewhat limited, but it is getting me started.  I actually did a rough model for my MFT Cart I am planning.
Bryan

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2013, 01:14 AM »
Alan

Wouldn't know how to import it.  Baby Steps.  Maybe I should always have a couple of Guinness whenever I do Sketchup.  If I knew how to insert a link, I would send you the video link.  Maybe I can figure that out as well if I have couple more.  Guinness = Better Computer Learning!

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2013, 02:53 AM »
It is tricky to learn but don't give up. One tip is always work on layers and make each piece into a component. Is you don't do this everything just sticks together. For example make one table leg then save it as a component and move it to a layer named "finished parts" or similar. Always do your basic work with the default layer active the move stuff to other layers.

Good luck!

RMW

+1 !!  Creating components is key to avoiding all sorts of troubles. I use one separate component for each of the wood pieces appearing in a work piece. And components can be used to create other components (for instance a legs component contains four instances of a leg component, each instance orientated as required).

Using layers is also key to being able to view a selected subset of a designed object. It's also best to use separate layers for wood pieces and their dimensions. This avoids cluttered views.

Another recommendation is to quickly get the habit of using "keyboard shortcuts" instead of mouse clicks on the operation menu to select a particular operation (http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/google-sketchup-7-keyboard-shortcuts.html). Mouse is moved using one hand and shortcuts typed with the other hand. Drawing speed is significantly increased by doing so.




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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2013, 07:26 AM »
I don't understand the concept of layers, I will have to try and find some info on that.  I have been using groups for most things, but maybe should use components more.  Has anybody used the cutlist plugin? How do you get the boards in a basic model to look like an actual piece of wood?  Is there a place to find drawer slides and other hardware?
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2013, 07:34 AM »
You can think of layers as putting thin papers on top of each other like the stuff you draw clothe plans on. Then you draw different parts on each sheet of translucent paper an when you overlay them in a stack you see the whole. Remove a sheet and you see only the other parts. Or actually over head projector films would be a better parallel, come to think of it...
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2013, 08:24 AM »
The major difference between components and groups is if you edit one component in a design the changes apply to all other instances of that component. Very handy in the case of table legs or similar items. You can also use an existing component as the basis for a new, different one by selecting it, right click and making it unique. This basically make a copy of the original component but any changes don't effect the original ones.

The guy who wrote the Dummies book has pretty good YouTube videos you should check out.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2013, 08:30 AM »
I don't understand the concept of layers, I will have to try and find some info on that.  I have been using groups for most things, but maybe should use components more.  Has anybody used the cutlist plugin? How do you get the boards in a basic model to look like an actual piece of wood?  Is there a place to find drawer slides and other hardware?

To get wood grain open the Materials pane and you can select finishes to "paint" onto any surface. You can download a lot of components from 3D warehouse thru sketchup.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2013, 09:31 AM »
if it makes you feel any better.
im good at inventer and autocad,alpha cam,etc but cant use sketch up. go figure. tried it a few times but could get nowhere.
i will have to learn because my access to inventer etc is gone now

Alan,

I know what you mean. I think the problem is that if you know how to draw with autocad etc, you'll be used to using coordinates, ie everything relates to an origin point, 0,0,0. Sketchup doesn't have that. I think it was designed that way deliberately, for people who don't understand how most cad programs work.

Once you get your head around that, it's relatively straightforward.

I first learned autocad at college in 2001/2002. Then I used autocad in work, drawing 2d plans/elevations.

Then I left that job, and a couple of years later taught myself Sketchup, which I've used ever since. Recently however I've been running the CNC at work (glass machining), and so I've had to get used to the coordinate-based way of doing things again.

Now I use both systems simultaneously, and find it easy to switch between the two.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2013, 09:35 AM »
The major difference between components and groups is if you edit one component in a design the changes apply to all other instances of that component. Very handy in the case of table legs or similar items. You can also use an existing component as the basis for a new, different one by selecting it, right click and making it unique. This basically make a copy of the original component but any changes don't effect the original ones.

The guy who wrote the Dummies book has pretty good YouTube videos you should check out.

RMW

I prefer to group everything, rather than create components. This is because I've had several instances where I've copied a component & forgotten to make it unique before altering it, doing lots of work before realising that something else had changed somewhere else in the model! Then you end up having to change the original back again, basically doubling your work!
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2013, 10:58 AM »
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2013, 08:03 PM »
I just want to thank people for some of the resources you have provided.  I am getting better the more I use.  I do have another question, how do you cut or drill out a hole?  Example, if you were doing a workbench, and wanted to add dog holes, how do you do it so you could actually see through to the hypothetical bottom/floor.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2013, 08:05 PM »
I just want to thank people for some of the resources you have provided.  I am getting better the more I use.  I do have another question, how do you cut or drill out a hole?  Example, if you were doing a workbench, and wanted to add dog holes, how do you do it so you could actually see through to the hypothetical bottom/floor.

Draw a circle and use the push/pull command. Push thru the circle all the way threw
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2013, 08:39 PM »
Carolinanomad

Thanks
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2013, 09:03 PM »


  It was at sketchupforwoodworkers.com. 

I watched those videos two weeks ago and Sketchup instantly clicked.  I feel pretty competent with it now only after two weeks of use and those videos.

I have been using AutoCAD for 25 years but never jumped into 3D.

Sketchup rocks.

I have Pro but really are not using any of the Pro Features.  The free is great for 90% of everything a woodworker would do.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2013, 10:04 AM »
A quick note on the hole drilling advice that the mistake I and probably every other Sketchup user does is to forget to go into the group/component and just draw a circle to extrude away on the outside of a component. This will not work and you end up with an extrusion that doesn't work logically and vanish when set to zero depth.

So always remember to double click the component or group open before you try extruding holes in them.

Another trick is to make guide points/lines with the measuring tool to position the corner or centre of the hole you want to make since to get alignment repeatable and known. I.e. You want a rabet in the middle of a drawer side for the rail you can't tell sketchup to start the square you are trying to extrude away to extend 20mm on both sides of the object centre. You will have to calculate the end distance to one corner of the rectangle and then draw the rectangle from the guide lines and faces intersection point.

If anyone has an quick way of making domino joints in sketchup I'd like to hear about it. Using the domino model from the warehouse is hellishly slow or then I'm doing something wrong...
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2013, 11:01 AM »
....If anyone has an quick way of making domino joints in sketchup I'd like to hear about it. Using the domino model from the warehouse is hellishly slow or then I'm doing something wrong...

Are you using the model of the tenon?  Why not make a Domino (half) mortise component and add them where needed.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2013, 01:03 PM »
Yes, I use the tenon model, extract it out of the component once per part and then paste a tenon model into the resultant void. I'll have to look into making a half size hole template. Thanks!
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2013, 01:07 PM »
Yes, I use the tennon model, extract it out of the component once per part and the paste a tennon model into the resultant void. I'll have to look into making a half size hole template. Thanks!

I just draw everything as butt joints now then use the domino....

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2013, 06:59 PM »
I saw this DVD on Hartville's site, might be worth a look.  There aren't any reviews and I have no clue if it's any good, just passing along the info.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2013, 08:59 AM »
The guy who wrote the Dummies book has pretty good YouTube videos you should check out.

RMW

Richard is right, this guy has some good videos. His book is also worth checking.

http://www.youtube.com/user/aidanchopra/videos?sort=da&flow=grid&view=0

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2013, 02:20 PM »
I think I know the answer to this question, but I am going to ask.  You draw a face with the rectangle tool to make a cabinet side, and then you want to do the thickness of the side, so I have used the push/pull tool.  When using the push/pull tool to make the thickness from plywood, do you use 23/32 or 3/4 during your design of the sketchup model? 
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2013, 02:26 PM »
what ever thickness you want. select the surface with the push pull tool, push up and then enter the fraction or number in the dialog box in the bottom right of the screen and push the enter button. Couldn't be easier really.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2013, 04:48 PM »
Tim

The more i learn, I know that it us easy to use this tool.  What I have been doing is pulling or pushing to 3/4, but plywood measures 23/32, so it is conceivable that when you take the drawing to the shop, there will be minor differences.  Because you can put in any measurement I was more curious if people are using 23/32 or 3/4.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2013, 09:32 PM »
I use sketchup on every project. 

I use 3/4 largely because I am using it to sketch a project, not create absolute final dimensions. 

I still cut to fit, rather than cut to the plan.  Invariably, through sanding, planing, etc, you'll always end up with some variation.

It takes some time, but once you get the idea, it's a quick way to explore alternatives and improve your work.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2013, 10:05 PM »
Tim

The more i learn, I know that it us easy to use this tool.  What I have been doing is pulling or pushing to 3/4, but plywood measures 23/32, so it is conceivable that when you take the drawing to the shop, there will be minor differences.  Because you can put in any measurement I was more curious if people are using 23/32 or 3/4.


Well, now you're getting to the next step, going Metric. [tongue] 
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2013, 08:34 AM »
+1 on Metric!  [wink]

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2013, 10:20 AM »
The more i learn, I know that it us easy to use this tool.  What I have been doing is pulling or pushing to 3/4, but plywood measures 23/32, so it is conceivable that when you take the drawing to the shop, there will be minor differences.  Because you can put in any measurement I was more curious if people are using 23/32 or 3/4.

Sorry I misunderstood.

I use sketchup on every project. 
I use 3/4 largely because I am using it to sketch a project, not create absolute final dimensions. 
I still cut to fit, rather than cut to the plan.  Invariably, through sanding, planing, etc, you'll always end up with some variation.
It takes some time, but once you get the idea, it's a quick way to explore alternatives and improve your work.

Totally agree with Neil here.
While there are exceptions (32mm system), I set my Sketchup preferences to 1/8" so I don't have to deal with 16ths and 32nds. Drives me nuts and I make errors +/- of that much anyway.

Well, now you're getting to the next step, going Metric. [tongue] 

I wish. I like it better. While we (Canada) has converted/standardized to metric, the amount of material still supplied in imperial sizes just increases the complexity.

Tim

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2013, 10:43 AM »

I wish. I like it better. While we (Canada) has converted/standardized to metric, the amount of material still supplied in imperial sizes just increases the complexity.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2013, 12:10 PM »
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As I stand on my soap box, Canada! pick a freakin system and be done with this madness!!!!

Jeff

Or you could just take the US approach, i.e. stick your head in the sand and ignore the rest of the world. May as well go back to furlongs, rods and cubits...

I do try desperately to work in metric, but I still find myself pausing to think "hmmnnn, lemme see... 4" is 101.6mm...." before setting the guide for the saw to 100mm. Can't seem to visualize/conceptualize in metric.

When doing computer design work I work in metric however, it is just easier to work in base-10.

RMW
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2013, 01:27 PM »
The way I learned sketchup is to just do it, and not be afraid to mess it up. I have done many models which i had to start from scratch after learning what not to do. Now this does not happen so much. After screwing many projects up, I watched the series of videos from podcasts posted by the sketchup show or youtube ().

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2013, 09:12 PM »
Check out





He may be young, but he knows Sketchup. Some of it may be simplistic, but hey, if you don't know Sketchup, then simplistic is the way to go. He has multiple videos that explain all of the commands, options, etc. Layers is actually not that hard. First, draw a part, then triple click on it to select the object, then right click and select Make Group. Next, select the object if it is not highlighted, then click on Window ( in the Menu bar at the top), then select Layers. Click on the + button in the pop up window. This adds a new layer (Layer 01, Layer 02, etc.). Under the Entity Info box, click on the Layer box, then select Layer 01. You have now added your first layer. If you wish, you can rename the layer to something of your choice. If you do this, then the next time you add a layer, then Layer 01 will again be added. This is the default setting.

Whichever way you go, start on the first video and progress from there. You will quickly pick up on Sketchup.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2013, 09:43 AM »
I just bought one of those from Amazon last Saturday.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2013, 07:57 PM »
I know what you mean. I think the problem is that if you know how to draw with autocad etc, you'll be used to using coordinates, ie everything relates to an origin point, 0,0,0. Sketchup doesn't have that. I think it was designed that way deliberately, for people who don't understand how most cad programs work.

This is a timely thread that popped up for me.  I've recently been working with Sketchup and have been pleased with some of my results with "typical" projects, but I'm in the middle of trying to design some custum odd-angled steel brackets for some exposed glulams and have been frustrated with the lack of a 3-coordinate plotting tool to get my angles dead-on.  I've never worked with CNC equipment or autoCAD, but is there an inexpensive (or free!) program out there that anyone can recommend that will allow the user to design using coordinates instead of resorting to the protractor and measuring tool?

Sorry if this is considered a thread hijack! [laughing]

Edit: Weird.  Just looked at the dating of this thread and it isn't recent at all!  For some reason it popped up in my Tapatalk under unread.  Maybe had something to do with replacing my phone after sending it through the wash and my apps weren't recently backed up...
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2013, 09:48 PM »
epicxt,

I just jumped into this thread, thinking it was new.  There is a free 2D program called DraftSight.  It is the "AutoCAD" offering from SolidWorks.  I used it a little where I work, to try to design some parts for an Epilog Laser Engraver.  I finally went back to CorelDraw, which is (or was) the default program to print to the laser.

I never was an AutoCAD user, so I found it difficult to get proficient with the use of DraftSight.  I had gotten pretty comfortable with CorelDraw, mainly because I had no perconceived ideas on how it should work.  Probably why I adapted to SketchUp pretty quickly to get a simple project created pretty fast.

I am using SketchUp now, and find it pretty straightforward for items like wood, but I can imagine your frustration in designing something with angles.  For my newest project, a planer cart, I did a model for locking casters.  I had a heck of a time trying to model the angular bracket on the caster that supports the wheel.  I made it "close enough", since I was just using it to have a reasonable look when imported into the model for the cart.  I only needed its overall dimensions to be correct since my cart had to be accurate in height to align with my workbench, which will be the outfeed table for it.

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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2013, 03:27 AM »
DraftSight is good - I've very recently used it to do my systainer templates.

Note though that the free version is only 2D. If you need 3D this won't do it.


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« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2013, 10:58 AM »
For all those interested in expanding the capabilities of Sketchup, this is a video (presentation) about using several rendering engines within Sketchup to achieve more photo realistic images.



from Land8.com on Vimeo.</p>

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« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2013, 01:07 PM »
Thanks for Draftsight recommendation, I'll have to check it out when I get the chance. I ended up going to my buddy's place last night and he blasted it out in Solidworks. That's some amazing software!
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« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2013, 01:55 PM »
...blasted it out in Solidworks. That's some amazing software!

Sure is difficult to casually find the cost of Solidworks 3D CAD software.

The student edition costs $150 and can be purchased by students and military veterans.
https://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/3d-cad/academia.htm

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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2013, 10:30 PM »
For anyone that has watched some of the videos from Harwood Podcast, you have probably seen him using a 3d mouse. They are useful in that you do not have to click on a command to rotate or move the object to a new position to continue working. I have one and like it. They are made by  http://www.3dconnexion.com


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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2013, 11:51 AM »
I was rereading a few posts here, and completely missed the reference to "3D Warehouse".  (Thanks Richard/RMW!)

I learned a lot about using SketchUp while modeling a DeWalt DW735 planer.  I just looked at a model on 3D Warehouse.  Wow, amazing detail! I do not feel bad about the time I spent, since I'm a new user and some of the tasks to build the model were pretty challenging, and so I learned a lot.
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« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2014, 02:32 PM »
I am not seeing the military veteran option for Student Edition Solidworks ...
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2014, 03:48 AM »
For anyone that has watched some of the videos from Harwood Podcast, you have probably seen him using a 3d mouse. They are useful in that you do not have to click on a command to rotate or move the object to a new position to continue working. I have one and like it. They are made by  http://www.3dconnexion.com

There is a campaign going on at Sketchucation.com for a 20% off discount of the 3DConnexion devices with voucher code SKETCH20PROMO at their web-shops.
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Re: Sketchup
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2014, 06:28 PM »
For anyone that has watched some of the videos from Harwood Podcast, you have probably seen him using a 3d mouse. They are useful in that you do not have to click on a command to rotate or move the object to a new position to continue working. I have one and like it. They are made by  http://www.3dconnexion.com

There is a campaign going on at Sketchucation.com for a 20% off discount of the 3DConnexion devices with voucher code SKETCH20PROMO at their web-shops.

Thanks this is perfect timing!

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« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2014, 06:57 PM »
I would probably try the new wireless one myself if I already didn't have the wired one on the table. just can't justify putting another 130€ down to cut the wire =(
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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2014, 05:33 AM »
The new smart labels in LayOut 2014 are pretty cool btw. Overall there are some nice new features in the new 2014 release.

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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2014, 10:51 AM »
The new smart labels in LayOut 2014 are pretty cool btw. Overall there are some nice new features in the new 2014 release.

Agreed, I saw that last night. Not sure what else they changed but I like what they have done.
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« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2014, 02:15 PM »
For anyone that has watched some of the videos from Harwood Podcast, you have probably seen him using a 3d mouse. They are useful in that you do not have to click on a command to rotate or move the object to a new position to continue working. I have one and like it. They are made by  http://www.3dconnexion.com

There is a campaign going on at Sketchucation.com for a 20% off discount of the 3DConnexion devices with voucher code SKETCH20PROMO at their web-shops.

Thanks this is perfect timing!

I didn't see the promo on the Sketchuation or 3D Connexion websites. Can you be more specific to help the challenged?
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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2014, 04:05 PM »
The campaign was published to the Skechucation newsletter readers - it's not on the website. Just go to www.3dconnexion.com and their shop -> type the code in to your basket at checkout and press update button.
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« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2014, 04:28 PM »
The campaign was published to the Skechucation newsletter readers - it's not on the website. Just go to www.3dconnexion.com and their shop -> type the code in to your basket at checkout and press update button.

Thanks. I guess I wasn't that interested and didn't read the newsletter closely. I didn't see it but still have the newsletter.
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« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2014, 08:24 PM »
Try a trial membership to Lynda.com.  Tons of instructional videos way better than most of what you'll find on YouTube.  I have the membership (kinda pricey at $25/month, but it's a "business" expense) because I use it regularly for SketchUp, FinalCut, and eve Excel, small business tax software, and a ton of other stuff.

There are always offer/coupon codes for extended free trials, also.  Just google for "Lynda.com coupon code"
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« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2017, 12:21 PM »
The best Sketchup instruction I've ever seen was from Jay Bates.  He does an awesome job at explaining why and how he does something, and it just makes better sense.  http://jayscustomcreations.com/sketchup/
He has a bunch of videos and makes it better to understand from a woodworker's point of view.

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« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2017, 11:45 PM »
Plus 1 for jay bates videos
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