Bob Marino
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« on: June 07, 2011, 05:46 PM » |
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Ok, after checking around a bit, looking at demos, speaking with Apple staff, I decided to take a bite out of the Apple for myself. Got the 27" IMAC. I also bought the MC Office for MAC. iBeautful graphics, lots of whiz, but - at this point in time, am regretting the decision. Got it home Sunday AM after getting my files and docs loaded up from my PC and getting a 1 hour introduction. Froze up about 3 times that night and had login issues with passwords and had to make a few calls to Apple-care. Festool has a simple Excel sales order form used for dealers to place their Festool orders and am unable to get past the Excel error message, even after long calls to Apple support and talking with the Apple in store help. I am going to have to speak with MC about resolving this issue. My warehouse uses a Citrix based login system and was unable to log on - due to error messages - even Apple staff were unable to get on. Finally a friend got me logged on, but the F9 key (the most used key for me to check inventory) does not work properly (even after holding the fn and command key). So at this point am using my older PC to check inventory. Now, I totally understand that there is a learning curve from PC to Apple - and a huge learning curve for older, untechy guys like me; but the 2 most important/most used areas - using Excel for Festool ordering and checking inventory have yet to be accomplished - this after almost a dozen service calls and hours spent on work arounds.
I so do understand why some people like the MACS, and I want to like it too, but right now, it ain't working for me. Soooo, I will continue to muddle through, go to the classes and call that help line, but unless things change 180, I'm going to return it.
Bob
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 06:18 PM » |
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Bob,
I am not at home (working in Albany, NY) and I have a crappy PC (windows) with me, If I remember correctly you don't have to press cmd key, only Fn and F9.
Could you map the F9 to another key?
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There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 06:29 PM » |
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Bob,
What happen whey you press F9?
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There is never a situation where it can't be done with the right hand tool - even though it may be a lot more work.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 06:56 PM » |
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PM sent.
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 06:58 PM » |
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That doesn't sound right... Apples generally work right out of the box. Excel files not opening even though you got Excel installed? No. Something is not quite right.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2011, 06:59 PM » |
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i dont know anything about apple or the mac but i got a shock when i read the title . imac(probably immac) is a womans hair removal cream scraper thingy 
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2011, 07:01 PM » |
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... and with that, I declare I have nothing further to add.  ) too funny.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2011, 07:01 PM » |
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I hated My iMac but love it now! Not working seems odd like mentioned should work fine out of the box. Never had problems with mine runs super fast with solid state hard drive 4core love it!
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2011, 07:24 PM » |
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We have both Macs and winPCs in the office. We have one application that does not work on the Macs so we to use the Windows version of Cirtrix. Which is basically just a dumbed down version of Citrix. It works great, no problems. Even with all the Apple WWDC hype (lion, iOS5 and iCloud) I still feel that Apple is a much better computer for the home and personal use. When is comes to business and the business environment Windows seams to be to goto operating system and applications. OK, duck for cover and keep the flak jacket on.... 
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2011, 07:42 PM » |
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I refuse to post in this thread
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2011, 08:03 PM » |
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Bob,
F9 is assigned to one of the Exposé functions by default, so the OS is intercepting that particular key before the application gets to see it.
Try changing the key assignment to something else to free up F9 and see if that fixes the problem:
Under the Apple menu, open System Preferences.
Click on Keyboard, then select the Keyboard Shortcuts tab.
Select "Exposé and Spaces" from the list on the left, and either turn off the "All Windows" option (which is assigned to F9 on my Mac -- probably on yours as well, as this is the default), or double-click on the "F9" in the list and assign a different key for that.
See if that fixes your issue with accessing that feature under Citrix.
I had to take a similar approach to moving the Dashboard button from F12 to F13 because of needing F12 for use within Blender...
Also, another tip: on the "Keyboard" tab, there is a checkbox "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys", which inverts the behavior of the "fn" button -- if you check that, then the Fn keys act as Fn keys by default, and you hold the "fn" button to get the pictured behavior, instead of the other way around.
I just found that one myself and turned it on; pleased to have done so, as I would rather have the Fn keys easier to access -- I believe I will wind up using them more often.
You certainly shouldn't be experiencing freezes or anything of that nature; is everything up-to-date from Software Update? You can choose that from the Apple menu to check; also, try opening Disk Utility (open the hard drive, then the Applications folder, then the Utilities folder; should be in there), select your hard drive from the list on the left, and click on the "Repair Disk Permissions" button. See if that comes up with anything; sometimes a rogue installer (even Apple's software updates on occasion) or will mess up permissions on something important somewhere; that feature of Disk Utility will usually be able to find and correct that in the event it comes up.
I don't use Excel on my mac, but I've opened some Excel files with other programs before and never really had trouble with the limited use I needed to get out of them. OpenOffice.org has a free version out that seems to handle the majority of them fairly well... regardless, what error are you getting?
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2011, 08:12 PM » |
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Every so many years, I tinker with the idea of going to Apple for my PC's. But I always stop dead in my tracks when I speak to software support people who provide me with proprietor software for the business I'm in, who all seem to advise that they will not support Mac issues running their software, and are aware that Macs don't work well or at all with them. Guess I'll have to wait until I retire.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2011, 09:27 PM » |
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Get bootcamp. Set it up to dual boot Windows and osx - and you'll be happy as a clam.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2011, 09:30 PM » |
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Resisting!
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2011, 09:37 PM » |
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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2011, 10:15 PM » |
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Sure sounds like there is a hardware defect to begin with. I think you really need to return it for an exchange or have them troubleshoot it at the shop if you can duplicate the issue in their presence. Would not surprise me at all if this is not caused by defective memory. A couple "manufacturers" currently are having a rash of problems with defective memory boards from China for the Macs as I have experienced. Crucial admitted lots of defective memory over the last few months.
I have several Macs all working fine. No issues with MS Office. If you get the Mac running solid, open the Apple Help and search for Bootcamp. If you have a new full-install version of Windows, you can set a dual-boot as mentioned earlier. A little clumsy to set up but works great. You can if desired never use the Mac OS and always run it as a Windows machine. I have found the Apple hardware to be very reliable with the 4 machines I am using. Pete
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2011, 10:22 PM » |
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Something is definitely wrong with that computer, and like the previous poster suggested, it sounds like bad RAM. Take it back to where you got it, and exchange it for a new one. I bet all your problems go away. Don't resign yourself to the purgatory that is the world of Windows just because of one bad stick of RAM.
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2011, 10:32 PM » |
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Get a bigger hammer Bob. 
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Bob Marino
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2011, 10:40 PM » |
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Why would you say bad RAM?
I just may bring this into the store next week. Lots of quirky things - like right here on the FOG; when I scroll down to the last post, the screens shoots right back up to the top of the page, I mean like ? I will give it more time as I see some of the beauty of the beast, but right now, there's more beast than beauty.
Bob
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2011, 10:42 PM » |
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Bad RAM can cause a computer to freeze up.
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2011, 10:57 PM » |
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I'm telling you... there's something wrong with that particular unit. Apple would not be where its at selling defective equipment.
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2011, 01:56 AM » |
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Bob,
I don't think there is enough information about your problems to diagnosis the situation. From your general descriptions, it would seem to me to be more likely a software problem and not bad RAM. Unfortunately it takes a lot of effort and time to isolate a computer problem. Since time is money, you may not be able to afford the time right now.
If you want to go through the exercise, you must isolate the problems by eliminating any add-on hardware or software on your machine. Try to uninstall any applications you added and see if you are still having browser problems (jumpy screen). Are you using Safari or something else? If your log on problems are problems logging onto your iMac, then there is a system software problem and you should bring it back, or reinstall the system software from the system DVD's (WARNING - this will wipe out your data so don't do unless you have a certain backup). I kind of assume your log on problems are logging onto web sites through the browser. As another poster said, keyboard mapping may be playing a roll in the confusion. Go to the apple menu and select "System Preferences", then click on the "Keyboard" icon. There is a list of all system assigned keyboard shortcuts.
Expect to spend a few hour to isolate the issue. I have never had a debugging session go quickly. Of course you can schedule a session with an Apple help person to go through this under your warranty. There are many of us on FOG who can also help. Unfortunately for meaningful help, a lot more detail is necessary on what you installed and when problems started occurring.
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2011, 09:24 AM » |
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Why would you say bad RAM?
Intermittent and impossible to predict lockups and freezing problems are often indicative of bad RAM. In the build-your-own PC world, it could also be the result of things like overheating or a too-small power supply, but you probably don't have to worry about those issues. I'd probably run a memory test utility like memtest (Mac version available here: http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/03/memtest-mac-ram-test/) to check it. Let us know or PM me if you have trouble figuring out how to run it. It probably wouldn't explain your login issues, though.
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2011, 09:47 AM » |
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Well, I will give Apple a call today or tomorrow and may even bring my IMac into the store. But what I am not going to do, is start running a bunch of tests or installing and reinstalling discs and software and try to patch it up myself. I will see what they have to say as they have been very helpful - but i learened more here on the FOG than in 3 phone calls! of this could be a learning curve too, but the freezing has me concerned.
Thanks all again.
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2011, 09:50 AM » |
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good luck with that... let the experts do their thing.
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2011, 10:24 AM » |
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like right here on the FOG; when I scroll down to the last post, the screens shoots right back up to the top of the page I have a wrist pad in front of my keyboard for comfort. Sometimes I rest my coffee cup on it. Occasionally, when reading a thread, I can't get it to stop scrolling to the bottom of the thread. It's because my coffee cup is pressing the space bar. Tom
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2011, 10:33 AM » |
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Bob,
I have the same 27" IMac as you and I remember when I first got it that the Nikon software I was running would freeze from time to time, unlike on my previous generation 24" IMac. In time, Nikon released a fix and now it runs fine.
I also have the Microsoft office software on my IMac and it generally runs fine. Updates are being released all the time, however, so run a "Check for Updates" and see if you have the latest version.
All the best Richard.
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2011, 11:10 AM » |
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But what I am not going to do, is start running a bunch of tests or installing and reinstalling discs and software and try to patch it up myself.
Running memtest would not require you to open up your computer, it's dead simple and would allow you to simply walk into the store, tell them your memory is bad, and they'll fix it for you. It might actually save you time. But if you're not willing to do that, you could also just pick up your computer, take it to the store, and ask them to check the RAM.
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2011, 12:55 PM » |
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The mac ships with a hardware diagnostic you can run. It should be on one of the install DVD's that came with your computer. When you find it, insert the DVD and restart your computer. Hold the 'D' key down on restart. 'D' stands for "diagnostics". See this link for the Apple Support page for details. An error code will be reported if there is a problem.
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2011, 05:00 PM » |
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i bought the 20 inch mac last year and love it. i cannot understand why you are having so many problems bob. with regards to running tests. i am very low tech and have no interest in spending time trying to fix something that should work out of the box. it should be running smooth for you, the fact it is not, means something is wrong. just bring it back and get a new computer. problem solved, and you will be much happier once you get going properly.
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