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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2011, 05:05 PM »

i bought the 20 inch mac last year and love it.
i cannot understand why you are having so many problems bob.
with regards to running tests.
i am very low tech and have no interest in spending time trying to fix something that should work out of the box.
it should be running smooth for you, the fact it is not, means something is wrong.
just bring it back and get a new computer.
problem solved, and you will be much happier once you get going properly.

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What he said... life is so much simpler when you dont feel compelled to personally repair every little thing.  It takes too much time, and costs more money than letting the guy who knows how to do it, do it.
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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2011, 11:26 PM »

Why would you say bad RAM?

 I just may bring this into the store next week. Lots of quirky things - like right here on the FOG; when I scroll down to the last post, the screens shoots right back up to the top of the page, I mean like ?
I will give it more time as I see some of the beauty of the beast, but right now, there's more beast than beauty.

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Bob did you buy it from an Apple store or online?  I bought mine online and the seller put crappy RAM it and I had all sorts of problems.  Bring your computer to Apple and they will take care of the problem, I got a whole new computer before they found the problem.
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2011, 07:13 AM »

Why would you say bad RAM?

 I just may bring this into the store next week. Lots of quirky things - like right here on the FOG; when I scroll down to the last post, the screens shoots right back up to the top of the page, I mean like ?
I will give it more time as I see some of the beauty of the beast, but right now, there's more beast than beauty.

Bob

Bob did you buy it from an Apple store or online?  I bought mine online and the seller put crappy RAM it and I had all sorts of problems.  Bring your computer to Apple and they will take care of the problem, I got a whole new computer before they found the problem.

  No, I bought it at the Apple Store; and  am bringing it in today.
It froze up again last night and I had to restart it.


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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2011, 07:16 AM »

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like right here on the FOG; when I scroll down to the last post, the screens shoots right back up to the top of the page

I have a wrist pad in front of my keyboard for comfort. Sometimes I rest my coffee cup on it. Occasionally, when reading a thread, I can't get it to stop scrolling to the bottom of the thread. It's because my coffee cup is pressing the space bar.


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 Tom,

 Nope, nothing on the keyboard  - I only wish that was the answer.

 Equally as concerning is the fact that it seems to be random - as in it isn't doing it  right now  and I didn't do anything different.

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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2011, 07:39 AM »

If you have the so-called "magic mouse", the whole finger-swipe thing evidently takes some practice.  I'm using one right now because it came with my Mac Pro and I'm still in the process of getting things switched over from my iMac, but my Wacom tablet will eventually replace it.

I find that it can be tricky to manage the scrolling and such with that mouse, particularly when just getting started with it.

I suspect there are some other gestures involved too, because I occasionally find that I jump back a web page (as if hitting the "back" button on the browser) depending on how my finger manages to swipe the mouse (often by accident), though I haven't been able to nail down the actual gesture yet.

I'm not taking time to work it out though; like I said, the Wacom will be replacing it soon anyway...
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« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2011, 07:41 AM »

Good luck Bob!

Ironically yesterday Apple released a fix for imacs locking up.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20070210-263.html?tag=mncol;1n

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2011, 08:12 AM »

Good luck Bob!

Ironically yesterday Apple released a fix for imacs locking up.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20070210-263.html?tag=mncol;1n

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Thanks Peter,


I'm going in at 11 am today and will let them see what's up
I just did a diagnostic test with the disk and it shows no
problems with the hard drive.  No more testing or playing
with the disks, keys or programs; I'll let the guys at Apple
take over.

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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2011, 08:39 AM »

Bob,

If everything is fixed today, does the title of this thread change?   Big Grin

I'm happy

I'm somewhat happy

screw it, I'm a PC




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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2011, 11:31 AM »

Bummer Bob...

Bought my big iMac three years ago to get away from PC and have never had an iota of trouble from it...so I am betting it's just an unfortunate lemon....

I think once you get past the slight learning curve you will really like it...

Either way do tell what the resolution is..

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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2011, 11:52 AM »

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Either way do tell what the resolution is..


Since it's a 27" imac, my guess is 2560 x 1440.   Wink
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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2011, 12:09 PM »

Am at the Apple store and it froze up here and they are
setting up a new IMac.
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2011, 12:22 PM »

Since it's a 27" imac, my guess is 2560 x 1440

  Doh!

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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2011, 01:30 PM »

Sweet... it has always been my experience that when I take something that's broken to the guy who can fix it, it always works.  Its not fixed, of course, and its why people who fix things think that those who dont are morons.
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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2011, 01:37 PM »

Just in my experience over maybe the last couple of years, Apple's first line of tech support people are morons knowing maybe slightly more than the people calling in and reading off of a computer screen to give you answers.  It's finally when they transfer you up the line to the second level of tech support that you get real technically knowledgeable individuals that solve your problem.
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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2011, 01:43 PM »

Bob:
You are a much more patient man than I. I would be furious.
Sorry this is happening.
I would have thought problems would have started to appear after about year or so...
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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2011, 01:54 PM »

Bob:
You are a much more patient man than I. I would be furious.
Sorry this is happening.
I would have thought problems would have started to appear after about year or so...
Tim

Tim,

If there is a problem and people are responsive to that problem
I tend to give them the opportunity to correct the situation.
Apple is not where it is by providing bad products more poor
service.
Was it frustrating having the computer freeze several times
within the first hours of use? Yep, and the after about the
third call in as many hours, the service rep at Apple Care got
an earful from me.

Hopefully it will work out soon.

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« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2011, 02:37 PM »

Bob:

A good friend of mine that lives about a mile from here got a new iphone recently. He was using it to demonstrate some mobile app's for publishing and decided to upgrade the operating system Saturday morning to the latest and greatest.

Saturday, Veronica and I were taking her nephews to the farmer's market and my phone rang. It was my buddy's mobile number calling but nobody would answer so I hung up. Very soon after, it rang again. It was him and 'same thing, no answer. This went on several times and I decided to go to his house, which was sort of on the way and ask him to stop calling.

He saw us pull up and came out of the house with his phone in hand laughing. He quickly explained that when he upgraded the OS, the phone started dialing my number (the last dialed number) over and over. I told him to call the Apple store and let it call them over and over instead of me. He couldn't get to it to dial anyone else because it was too quick.

He finally turned it off and went to the Apple store. They argued with him and said what appeared to be some really stupid things like, it's impossible to revert to the prior OS (which worked). He explained to the guy that they could wipe out the phone and start over and they insisted that they couldn't install the previous OS.

Anyway, they gave him a "new" phone - it had the older, working OS and now everything is fine.

Apple is a good company but the mystique around them is a little overblown. They are certainly not perfect.


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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2011, 03:07 PM »

This is true of just about every company in existence.
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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2011, 03:30 PM »

Bob,

I sure hope you can get this worked out. We've converted to 3 macbooks over the past several years and recently added an iMac for my wife, who was a staunch holdout. I bought my iMac just before the changeover to the new one you have. Overall we've had very few problems other than the typical crummy Apple power cords and batteries. Occasional flakyness is usually solved by a software update which is easy. My daughter's Macbook Pro we bought her for college survived 4 years of undergrad and 2 years of med school and is still going strong with no issues!

If you're running some of the typical "corporate apps" like Citrix, you might consider the boot camp option or what I use which is VMWare Fusion running a very small Windows7 instance. Just for those occasions where the applications you buy aren't so friendly to OSX. It is very seamless to do though it opens up that whole malware/virus thing with the Windows partition.

Best of luck. Once you get there you won't turn back  Wink

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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2011, 03:47 PM »

Just in my experience over maybe the last couple of years, Apple's first line of tech support people are morons knowing maybe slightly more than the people calling in and reading off of a computer screen to give you answers.  It's finally when they transfer you up the line to the second level of tech support that you get real technically knowledgeable individuals that solve your problem.

I didn't realize that you were a Mac owner.  Go Ken!

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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2011, 04:11 PM »

I didn't realize that you were a Mac owner.  Go Ken!

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 Big Grin Not yet, Peter.  Soon!
I bought the ipod touch when it first came out, then upgraded (or got sucked into) to the iphone.  That's as Apple as I am so far.  Funny thing is I called them today for tech support and had the same crappy experience plus got hung up on while waiting to be transferred to a higher level of tech support.

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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2011, 04:15 PM »

I've had AppleCare and support has been great. Granted, at the prices they charge, basic care should be great too.
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« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2011, 04:20 PM »

I always pay extra for the Apple Care.  It's definitely worth it in my opinion, when you get the right level of support.
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« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2011, 11:31 PM »

Bob:

A good friend of mine that lives about a mile from here got a new iphone recently. He was using it to demonstrate some mobile app's for publishing and decided to upgrade the operating system Saturday morning to the latest and greatest.

Saturday, Veronica and I were taking her nephews to the farmer's market and my phone rang. It was my buddy's mobile number calling but nobody would answer so I hung up. Very soon after, it rang again. It was him and 'same thing, no answer. This went on several times and I decided to go to his house, which was sort of on the way and ask him to stop calling.

He saw us pull up and came out of the house with his phone in hand laughing. He quickly explained that when he upgraded the OS, the phone started dialing my number (the last dialed number) over and over. I told him to call the Apple store and let it call them over and over instead of me. He couldn't get to it to dial anyone else because it was too quick.

He finally turned it off and went to the Apple store. They argued with him and said what appeared to be some really stupid things like, it's impossible to revert to the prior OS (which worked). He explained to the guy that they could wipe out the phone and start over and they insisted that they couldn't install the previous OS.

Anyway, they gave him a "new" phone - it had the older, working OS and now everything is fine.

Apple is a good company but the mystique around them is a little overblown. They are certainly not perfect.


Tom

Well said, Tom and basically I agree with your assessment - admittedly my experience is not the norm for the overwhelming majority of Apple customers. But, while I was waiting to be taken care of,
there were plenty of others with machine issues.

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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2011, 01:02 AM »

Although the OP seems to have had a hard time with his Mac, I suggest we imagine what his experience would have been if he had bought a PC.  Would he be expecting a higher level of service ? Does Dell or HP or Best Buy or WalMart or Staples or wherever he buys his Windows machine from even have a place that he could take his computer to for semi-knowledgeable help ? Every time I've ever had to go to the Apple Store for service, I have been surprised at how well they have handled things.

 I have mentioned before that I had a Macbook Pro with a display problem.  I brought it in, they quickly diagnosed and confirmed the problem, took my computer.  They called me the next day to tell me it was ready.  They had already replaced the display.  What kind of turnaround could I have expected if I had bought a Windows laptop ? The best I would expect is that I would have received a courier box the next day, probably after running the types of diagnostics that the OP doesn't really want to run anyways.  Then the box would be in transit for at least another day, then I'd expect one or two weeks turn around time before the box would be on its way back again.  That is the best case scenario of Windows support  I can possibly imagine,  ( unless I purchased next-day onsite service) and I have lived in the Windows world a long time.

Finally, why argue with differing levels of tech support ? Why not just bring it back and get a new one ? You've already established that you're not interested in doing any sort of diagnostic work. Fair enough.   Just return the lemon and start anew.
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« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2011, 01:11 AM »

Nuggy, to be fair, and I hate giving any credit to them, Dell XPS tech/warranty support had parts or parts and a repair technician if I wanted, overnighted next day.  I only let a tech replace things once and never again as he did more damage and left screws out plus took the magnet home that puts the computer in sleep mode when the cover is closed.

Also, Bob posted that they gave him a new iMac.
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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2011, 09:58 AM »

I was not able to convince my son to get an apple instead of a pc laptop for college.
He gave me the tired reasoning that apple charges you more and you can get a cheaper pc.  I told him to compare apples to apples ( not pun intended).  Use the same components  from a mac book pro to have a similar windows pc, you know what happend. Prices were similar or higher than apple.  He didn't take it.

He got a toshiba laptop for college, that laptop broke in April this year, he called toshiba and he has given the turn around and the laptop is not fixed yet.  We finally sent it to toshiba instead of waiting for the parts.  That was 3 weeks ago.

I will always buy festool for quality and good customer service, same as apple.  I know machines can failed or have a lemon, but I need a company to stand behind their products and not just say "sorry for your inconvenience" crap andget some help from them.

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« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2011, 12:46 PM »

Although the OP seems to have had a hard time with his Mac, I suggest we imagine what his experience would have been if he had bought a PC.  Would he be expecting a higher level of service ? Does Dell or HP or Best Buy or WalMart or Staples or wherever he buys his Windows machine from even have a place that he could take his computer to for semi-knowledgeable help ? Every time I've ever had to go to the Apple Store for service, I have been surprised at how well they have handled things.

 I have mentioned before that I had a Macbook Pro with a display problem.  I brought it in, they quickly diagnosed and confirmed the problem, took my computer.  They called me the next day to tell me it was ready.  They had already replaced the display.  What kind of turnaround could I have expected if I had bought a Windows laptop ? The best I would expect is that I would have received a courier box the next day, probably after running the types of diagnostics that the OP doesn't really want to run anyways.  Then the box would be in transit for at least another day, then I'd expect one or two weeks turn around time before the box would be on its way back again.  That is the best case scenario of Windows support  I can possibly imagine,  ( unless I purchased next-day onsite service) and I have lived in the Windows world a long time.

Finally, why argue with differing levels of tech support ? Why not just bring it back and get a new one ? You've already established that you're not interested in doing any sort of diagnostic work. Fair enough.   Just return the lemon and start anew.

Well, I'm that OP and would agree with you that I would have been more frustrated initially if I had to make a long series of prompts and what nots to try and diagnose and fix the freeze ups and non functioning Function keys.
I did do a diagnostic test and it did not show anything amiss. At that point, I felt further testing on my part was not something I wanted to do as it is only  2 days old and needs a qualified tech person to do what they are expert at, not a newbie like me doing tests. I would say flat out that the people at APPLE  were very helpful.

When in the store, they ran some other tests and nothing showed up - until the computer froze right there. At that point, they swapped out a new machine and all looks good so far.

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When in the store, they ran some other tests and nothing showed up - until the computer froze right there. At that point, they swapped out a new machine and all looks good so far.

Bob

And that is what make Apple service so great! You get a real , flesh and blood, person to fix your problem. No some phone center on the other side of the world that talks English in a way you can NOT understand them and they keep patronizing you.

And I'am basically a Windows PC user (home and office), BUT Over the last two years I have converted my home network to a Apple network products with a mini-mac music server.
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When in the store, they ran some other tests and nothing showed up - until the computer froze right there. At that point, they swapped out a new machine and all looks good so far.

Bob

And that is what make Apple service so great! You get a real , flesh and blood, person to fix you problem. No some phone center on the other side of the wold that talks English in a way you can NOT understand them and they keep patronizing you.


 Agree 100% with you and others on this.



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