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If I had issues like that I'd replace the warehouse instead.
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If I had issues like that I'd replace the warehouse instead.
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Nice report. I am currently thinking of going all Apple. Iphone, Ipad, Imac. They all seem to work very well together and seem to be easy to use. I do not have a warehouse, so that is not my concern. I remodel and build new homes. But right now, I have NO software for the business. I am all old school. And this is getting old. Time to become modern. I am looking at Quickbooks Premier Contractor, which seems to be a good tool for the business. (Not sure though, because I have never used it.) BUT, Quickbooks Premier Contractor does not work on Mac. So that hurts. If it did, I think I would be set. And very organized. I like many, am the laborer, carpenter, bill collector, bill payer. That said, I realize I should start my own thread, but way say all of you, how are you guys set up? Thanks!
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If you decide to go the Mac route, do not buy the Quickbooks for Mac. It has serious flaws in it. The quickbooks for contractors version is very stable and will work well once you train yourself to use it. Not meaning that it is hard to learn, just means that whereas you are used to doing it a different way, you will need to force yourself to use it.
As mentioned you can use one of the software programs to enable you to run windows programs, but remember that you will also have to purchase a full version of Windows 7 to use on the Mac.
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Agreed, Steve. Even though I'm not pro-Mac, I will agree that the company has lofty principles and takes pride in their products and good service. The fact is that I'm just deeply rooted in the PC world. With the exception of a few industries, like graphic design, PCs rule the roost. Mac just doesn't have the broad offerings of software available on PC. I do think that the existence of Mac has advanced and offered healthy competition to the PC market. I respect Apple/Mac and what they represent. It seems too many folks that I know personally who have used PCs for years have had trouble making the leap to Mac. Most people use PCs at work and have an existing familiarity with them.
In the end, go with what works best for you personally, whatever that might be. Sounds like Bob gave it an honest go.
As a Mac partisan I have say this is a huge understatement. We've all heard the story but it was rather clearly expressed in this recent story. "The Schmidt-Apple saga has distinct overtones of a generation ago when Bill Gates from scrappy upstart Microsoft managed to get Jobs to give him Macintosh prototype units under the guise of developing Microsoft apps for them. Gates delivered on that promise, but he also delivered his own Windows computer operating system, whose ideas were stolen rather blatantly from those Mac prototypes." Sorry it didn't work out for you Bob.
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As a Mac partisan I have say this is a huge understatement. We've all heard the story but it was rather clearly expressed in this recent story. "The Schmidt-Apple saga has distinct overtones of a generation ago when Bill Gates from scrappy upstart Microsoft managed to get Jobs to give him Macintosh prototype units under the guise of developing Microsoft apps for them. Gates delivered on that promise, but he also delivered his own Windows computer operating system, whose ideas were stolen rather blatantly from those Mac prototypes." Michael, what you're calling a clearly expressed story, looks to me like more like a clearly expresed opinion. Any story that uses a lot of "perhaps" and "appears to be" is bound to be more speculation than fact. Interesting article though, thanks for the link. Furthermore, the stealing (borrowing?) of ideas is commonplace in the computer industry and always has been, and few of the players are above doing it. The GUI was first developed at Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center Incorporated) by Alan Kay, Larry Tesler, Dan Ingalls and a number of other researchers. It used windows, icons, and menus to support commands such as opening files, deleting files, moving files, etc. In 1981 Xerox introduced a pioneering product, Star, incorporating many of PARC's innovations. Although not commercially successful, Star greatly influenced future developments, for example at Apple, Microsoft and Sun Microsystems. In 1974, work began at PARC on Gypsy, the first bitmap What-You-See-Is-What-You-Get (WYSIWYG) cut & paste editor. In 1975, Xerox engineers demonstrated a Graphical User Interface "including icons and the first use of pop-up menus. Beginning in 1979, started by Steve Jobs and led by Jef Raskin, the Lisa and Macintosh teams at Apple Computer ( which included former members of the Xerox PARC group) continued to develop such ideas. The Macintosh, released in 1984, was the first commercially successful product to use a GUI. A desktop metaphor was used, in which files looked like pieces of paper; directories looked like file folders; there were a set of desk accessories like a calculator, notepad, and alarm clock that the user could place around the screen as desired; and the user could delete files and folders by dragging them to a trash can on the screen. Drop down menus were also introduced. There is still some controversy over the amount of influence that Xerox's PARC work, as opposed to previous academic research, had on the GUIs of Apple's Lisa and Macintosh, but it is clear that the influence was extensive, because first versions of Lisa GUIs even lacked icons. Going back even further, Doug Engelbart's Augmentation of Human Intellect project at SRI(Stanford Research Institute) in the 1960s developed the On-Line System (NLS), which incorporated a mouse-driven cursor and multiple windows used to work on hypertext. Engelbart had been inspired, in part, by the memex desk-based information machine suggested by Vannevar Bush in 1945. Much of the early research was based on how children learn. Engelbart's work directly led to the advances at Xerox PARC. Several people went from SRI to Xerox PARC in the early 1970s. So how can anyone today accurately say who has stolen what, and from whom?  BTW: As you well know, I am also a huge Macintosh partisan, especially when they're baked in a pie. 
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2011, 02:58 PM » |
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put on your hats, tighten the safety belts... here we go again!
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There's no problem here, John's right.
Jobs did take a lot of ideas from Xerox PARK but the people that ran Xerox weren't interested in developing them. It's different to copy ideas from a direct competitor.
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There's no problem here, John's right.
Jobs did take a lot of ideas from Xerox PARK but the people that ran Xerox weren't interested in developing them. It's different to copy ideas from a direct competitor.
Xerox PARC was absolutely interested in developing those ideas, they were investing heavily in them, they just weren't agressive enough in getting to market. Do you think PARC was okay with a good part of their development team leaving and moving over to Apple? Xerox has been heavily criticized (particularly by business historians) for failing to properly commercialize and profitably exploit PARC's innovations. And a favorite example is the GUI we're talking about here, initially developed at PARC for the Alto and then commercialized as the Xerox Star by the Xerox Systems Development Department. Much later, in the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit in which Apple accused Microsoft of violating its copyright by appropriating the use of the "look and feel" of the Macintosh GUI, Xerox also sued Apple on the same grounds. The lawsuit was dismissed because the presiding judge ruled "that Xerox's complaints were inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons," although it is commonly believed that Xerox simply waited too long to file suit, and the statute of limitations had expired Hey, Bill Gates was likely the biggest weasel of all, pulling more dirty tricks than anyone else in the industry, but Apple is certainly no angel. And it's a REAL stretch to say they only stole borrowed took ideas that others didn't want, ideas those others had spent a lot of time and money developing. The bottom line is that all this computer industry "espionage" has probably actually been good for the consumer. We use many great devices today, and from a variety of manufacturers, that we may have never seen otherwise.
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Well, to just bottom line it, I like my Mac better than I have liked any of the multiple PCs I have owned. I don't particularly care much (not anymore, anyway) of how things got to be this way, they are what they are. In my most humble opinion, I think that today, Mac products are better for me than PC products. Boing.
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... I think that today, Mac products are better for me than PC products. Boing.
I think we're all lucky to have the choices we do.
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indeed... I dont derive any income from either Apple or Microsoft, so I certainly dont feel compelled to enter discussions about one or the other.
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indeed... I dont derive any income from either Apple or Microsoft, so I certainly dont feel compelled to enter discussions about one or the other.
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I bought my first PC (Dell) in 2000. I bought my first imac PC in 2006.
I know nothing about computers in general. But I find the apple computers a lot easier to navigate than microsoft products. I have recommended apple to other computer illiterates, like myself, because it is a very user friendly experience.
Looking forward to purchasing the ipad 99.
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indeed... I dont derive any income from either Apple or Microsoft, so I certainly dont feel compelled to enter discussions about one or the other.
And yet you did.  I meant from now on...
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Not to get into the PC vs MAC battle, but an historical note on Xerox - I once met one of the early innovators in Ethernet over telephone wire (CAT 5). Before CAT 5 ethernet cable was a huge orange bulky affair. He said that he previously worked for Xerox who pretty much saw Ethernet as a way to connect printers and his manager told the team to stop working on it. When they tried to convince him how great it would be, he said "If you really believe that, you ought to quit and start your own damned company." Well, they did - and became rich.
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Not to get into the PC vs MAC battle, but an historical note on Xerox - I once met one of the early innovators in Ethernet over telephone wire (CAT 5). Before CAT 5 ethernet cable was a huge orange bulky affair. He said that he previously worked for Xerox who pretty much saw Ethernet as a way to connect printers and his manager told the team to stop working on it. When they tried to convince him how great it would be, he said "If you really believe that, you ought to quit and start your own damned company." Well, they did - and became rich.
It's not a battle for me, Jesse, just some interesting history.  The man you're talking about is Robert Metcalfe, who left PARC and founded 3Com Corporation in 1979 (with partners, Howard Charney, Bruce Borden, and Greg Shaw), and yes they all became very wealthy. Bob was Chairman, CEO, division general manager, and vice president of engineering, sales, and marketing at 3Com until he left in 1990. He was CEO of IDG's InfoWorld Publishing Company from 1992 to1995. And for eight years, he gave his opinions about the Internet and related issues in a weekly InfoWorld column. That was a column I never missed, the guy is brilliant. Since 2001 Bob has been a General Partner at a venture capital firm in Waltham, Massachussets called Polaris Ventures. 3Com was acquired by Hewlett-Packard in April of 2010, was eventually completely absorbed into that company and no longer exists. Important history or just computer trivia? You pick. 
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your mac can run windows... check out parallels.com.
I was told by Quickbooks that using the parallels I will still have problems. Has anyone used the moneyworks programs? They seem to be like quickbooks but for mac. But I don't think they have a contractor edition. Also, I found goldenseal by turtle soft. This looks like it could be a good program. Has anyone tried it? My neighbor was telling me to just keep the pc and use quickbooks on it. And send things via email to the mac. Seems like more work to me.
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If you want a simple one check Corona 3from the corona tool: What is Corona? Corona is a a simple check register and powerful accounting tool.
Corona provides a single-line entry check register and account chart features for the most basic cash-basis accounting. Corona's check register features drag and drop item entry and reconcilement, an unpaid bills file, and a check printing drawer. Corona works the Mac OS Address Book when printing checks and correspondence.
Corona also provides a powerful accounting tool with entry forms for invoices, folios, purchases and payroll. All of the querying and reporting you expect from an accounting software is provided, from the check register's bank reconcilement, to trial balance and financial statements.
What to expect with Corona: You may have little or no setup considerations. If you already know, or have an idea of, your account chart, enter your beginning bank balance and begin entering transactions. Corona builds your account chart as you go. As the transactions you enter begin to fill Corona's journals, Corona makes their descriptions and account allocations available to you for subsequent entries. Corona also builds a price list from the items you enter into sales, invoices and purchases.
Corona's main window features a sidebar for selecting journals for transaction entries, descriptions and data queries. The transactions list in the main window always displays a journal's previously saved transactions. Names from the journal's transactions are listed in the sidebar when clicking the disclosure triangle of the Descriptions section. Empty transaction entry forms are displayed when clicking an Edit button, or pre-filled when dragging a name from the descriptions list and dropping it anywhere on the transactions list.
All of Corona’s entry windows provide dynamic popup selectors for choosing names and accounts, autocompletion, expandable views with adjustable font size, and online help. Corona works with all international date formats in the Date & Time control panel.
The invoice entry form creates printable invoices, accounting for sales tax, and includes a timer for time billing purposes. Items may be dragged from a dynamic price list and dropped on Corona's invoice window to enter products and their prices. The price list also has an option for importing saved price lists from disk.
Corona uses the Mac OS Address Book in an efficiently designed window. Corona also lets you turn this preference off to use Corona's original addresses index. Both are useful for selecting names for invoices, writing letters and creating email.
The receipts entry form is useful for recording cash sales reports and cash paid out, or recognizing collections prior to depositing them.
The general form entry is useful for entering beginning trial balances, adjusting entries and monthly summary entries.
The purchase entry form is similar to the invoice entry form. The addresses index and price list are available for use with purchase entry forms.
Full-featured payroll accounting stores tax rates, employee data, and payroll transactions. It produces reports for employees, monthly posting entries, quarterly tax reports, annual W-2 reports, and payroll advices to accompany employee paychecks.
Corona features: - bird's-eye view of transaction data - editable chart of accounts - drag and drop transaction entry - autocompletion support - entry for deposits and checks - check and paycheck printing - invoices and folios entry - integrates with OS Address Book - receipts form entry - general form entry - purchase form entry - payroll accounting - sales tax accounting - bank reconcilement - sort transactions - find transactions - query with reports - complete financial reports
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I was told by Quickbooks that using the parallels I will still have problems. Has anyone used the moneyworks programs? They seem to be like quickbooks but for mac. But I don't think they have a contractor edition. Also, I found goldenseal by turtle soft. This looks like it could be a good program. Has anyone tried it? My neighbor was telling me to just keep the pc and use quickbooks on it. And send things via email to the mac. Seems like more work to me.
If this is for a business, and you have an accountant, you'll want to make sure that your accountant is also on board with whatever accounting software you select. QuickBooks runs fine under Parallels for me, but I'm also not a very heavy user of it, so maybe I just haven't run into those problems yet. Though to be honest, I don't know many people who don't have some level of problems with QuickBooks.  One other option to consider would be QuickBooks Online. You only need a web browser to access it, so it shouldn't matter if you're using Mac or PC. - Mike
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I am also thinking of using MoneyWorks. This will replace Quickbooks. However it is not an estimating program like goldenseal. And I think I would rather use something that is already set up.
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I was told by Quickbooks that using the parallels I will still have problems. Has anyone used the moneyworks programs? They seem to be like quickbooks but for mac. But I don't think they have a contractor edition. Also, I found goldenseal by turtle soft. This looks like it could be a good program. Has anyone tried it? My neighbor was telling me to just keep the pc and use quickbooks on it. And send things via email to the mac. Seems like more work to me.
If this is for a business, and you have an accountant, you'll want to make sure that your accountant is also on board with whatever accounting software you select. QuickBooks runs fine under Parallels for me, but I'm also not a very heavy user of it, so maybe I just haven't run into those problems yet. Though to be honest, I don't know many people who don't have some level of problems with QuickBooks.  One other option to consider would be QuickBooks Online. You only need a web browser to access it, so it shouldn't matter if you're using Mac or PC. - Mike I used to run Quicken under Parallels on my Mac... the hard drive crashed and have not been able to get an inexpensive version of Windows.
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After much much trial, testing, checking, frustration and ultimately, disappointment, I returned the Imac back to Apple. A few thoughts to share about my decision as well as Apple. As mentioned in my original threads about PC vs Apple, my needs are relatively modest; efficient cruising of the Net, basic Excel, be able to easily log onto my Citrix based warehouse site. Excellent customer service, the ability to speak to a real live person, or bring it into any Apple store for repair, high quality materials, attention to design, stable pricing and many positive comments from MAC owners heavily influenced me. Good graphics and the fact that the MACS are not as plagued by viruses as the PCs were also pluses. There are more reasons, but you get the point. Anyhow, after losing Internet connections - while my other PCs didn't, and the absolute inability to properly connect to Citrix; this after a whole bunch of fixes with Citrix were tried and failed, finalized my decision to return the Imac and get a PC. I did give some thought to placing Windows 7 on the Mac and using a program called Parallels or Bootcamp? to enable my MAC to run Citrix...and Excel, but just wasn't willing to pump out more $$$$ and time into it. I didn't buy a MAC to run a PC. Also, I was availing myself of Apple's One to One program; but really using that to learn how to use the Mac's features - features that I knew how to use on the PC, but had to relearn the Mac's version.
Having said all that, I would say that Apple's products are higher quality - the screen's resolution igher than HDTV, the mouse and pad are aluminum, not plastic, etc., etc. and their customer service and support are leagues ahead of any others - Dell, HP, etc. BTW, went to the HP website to check their computers out, called the Customer service 800 number and got routed to a HP call center in the Philippines - welcome to the PC world. I later reluctantly went to Best Buy, spoke to a fairly knowledgeable young salesperson and bought a HP. I say reluctantly, because as also mentioned in my previous post, what I bought for $850.00 yesterday, will be around $650.00 in 3 months and unavailable in 6 months. So, at the end of the day, the Mac just did not work for me and had to go back. Shame, better machine, better customer service - all the things I highly regard, but again, just wasn't cutting it for me. Maybe one day though....
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I got so frustrated with windows that I got sucked in by all of the Mac hype and plunked down $2700 for a Mac. After all the flash and bling the frustration of performance and proprietary software sets in. I felt like I had handcuffs on, it won't let you do things a PC will period. Apple decides what it will allow you to do. I found the same thing with My I phone. I'm done with Apple. My daughter loves mac's so I gave it to her and bought a PC for a third of the price with windows7 pro 64. Mucho better.
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Been using iMac since 2008 with quick books Mac 2008, upgraded to lion and upgraded to quickbooks Mac 2011 couple weeks ago, never had any issues and so far so good with lion and quick books 2011
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I got so frustrated with windows that I got sucked in by all of the Mac hype and plunked down $2700 for a Mac. After all the flash and bling the frustration of performance and proprietary software sets in.
This is highly uninformed, and I'm led to wonder if you did ANY research or asked for help before giving up on this, or if this entire story was completely made-up... Mac OS X is built on a UNIX platform; the kernel is open-source, and there is a wide range of open-source UNIX/Linux software that runs on it. Apple does have a proprietary GUI interface, but the APIs are completely open, so anyone who knows how can install the developer tools and write software for it -- I've done it. Windows is built on a closed-source platform. While there is a collection of open-source software that runs on it, many of the projects have to fight to get their predominantly UNIX-oriented code base to work with the platform, and often it doesn't work as well, or isn't nearly as fast. Windows is FAR more "proprietary" than Mac OS X. I felt like I had handcuffs on, it won't let you do things a PC will period. Apple decides what it will allow you to do.
It lets you do MORE than a "PC" will. If you install VMWare, Parallels, or Boot Camp, you can even install Windows on it (assuming you still have a license of such) if you really want to put up with the more "proprietary" Windows software -- but you can't (legally) run Mac software under Windows. Apple does NOT lock you in to a proprietary software ecosystem with Macs -- only with the iDevices (which is why I refuse to buy an iPad). My daughter loves mac's so I gave it to her and bought a PC for a third of the price with windows7 pro 64. Mucho better.
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It looks like safari 5.1 has issues with citrix runing in 32 bits, i heard some people fixed the problem changing safari to run as 64 bit.
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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2011, 10:51 PM » |
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It looks like safari 5.1 has issues with citrix runing in 32 bits, i heard some people fixed the problem changing safari to run as 64 bit.
Now Bob can buy the Mac he always wanted. 
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