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Offline Sal LiVecchi

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Windows 10
« on: August 26, 2015, 09:48 PM »
Should I or shouldn't I   That is the question havent heard anything about it at all.
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 09:51 PM »
There's a better "10" ... OS X [wink]


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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 09:55 PM »
It has been working fine for me for the last 2-3 weeks...
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 09:58 PM »
There's a better "10" ... OS X [wink]

Easy, there Kev. It's not a Windows/Mac debate.  [wink]

Sal, if you're happy with your current version of Windows, I'd suggest using the option to download but not install Windows 10. That way you preserve your right to the free upgrade when/if you decide to install it.

I put Win10 on my notebook as a trial run, which previously had Win8 on it. The changes aren't dramatic since I was already using a freeware start menu app since I missed my start menu. That would be the single biggest reason to go from 8 to 10. I've read a lot about the privacy concerns of Win10. There were options presented to me during the upgrade to disable Win10 from sending all sorts of stuff to Microsoft.

The upgrade was VERY easy and pain-free.

Still have Win7 on the desktop and probably won't upgrade it for the time being.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 10:01 PM »
I'm still enjoying Windows 7.

Windows 10 is supposed to have a smaller footprint and run faster though. I'll eventually "buy in" and get on the update cycle (which is supposed to be yearly from here on out), but I'm holding out as long as I can.

There's a better "10" ... OS X [wink]

Let's not start this again... :P Love my MBP (almost 6 years old now), use it daily to surf the internets, still doesn't replace a Windows machine if you need more than a web browser though.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 10:36 PM »
My rule of thumb is to never install an even numbered Microsoft product. ;D

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 10:45 PM »
Windows 10 is fine by me, probably the best operating system since XP. I love it and much prefer it over windows 7, 8 and 8.1. On two mahines in the house it was a free upgrade becasue they already had 8 on them. One I paid of for an upgrade from XP on an old machine with only 2GB RAM and 80GB hard drive. I must say it works on the old machine without any hiccups at all. And actually makes the machine more usable for the kids.

Not a single lock up and faster load time than Windows 8.1 by about 15 seconds on my system with a traditional hard drive and about 2 seconds on my SSD machine. So probably about the same in reality for most folks. I can see it working easily with a touch screen. I use it with a regular monitor and have no feeling like I need nor it was designed exclusively for a touch screen like the when Metro was introduced.

My son had a Mac sent to him from his "other" dad. I bought him a windows 10 laptop, 17" IPS screen, 24 GB RAM, 1 TD Samsung SSD, 1 TB Hitachi HDD,  GTX 980M Nvidia Geforce video card, the Mac went back, his choice. I kind of stacked the deck though, hehe.
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 10:57 PM »
My rule of thumb is to never install an even numbered Microsoft product. ;D

Similar for me .. But it's "never even install a Microsoft product" [wink]

In reality my Apple love affair is long gone, it's just convenient not to change at the moment. I'm always on MS platforms for most work gigs, but typically n-3 release in the fat old corporates!

I'm actually getting bored with the new grille and tail light upgrades we're getting ... Wearables, HUDs, tablets, blah.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 11:07 PM »
My rule of thumb is to never install an even numbered Microsoft product. ;D

Technically, it's not even numbered. They skipped "9" because if they used code to see if the version was "Windows 9", it would include "Windows 95" and "Windows 98". So, in reality, this isn't an even numbered version, even though it is.  [big grin]
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 11:30 PM »
There's a better "10" ... OS X [wink]

Easy, there Kev. It's not a Windows/Mac debate.  [wink]

Sal, if you're happy with your current version of Windows, I'd suggest using the option to download but not install Windows 10. That way you preserve your right to the free upgrade when/if you decide to install it.

I put Win10 on my notebook as a trial run, which previously had Win8 on it. The changes aren't dramatic since I was already using a freeware start menu app since I missed my start menu. That would be the single biggest reason to go from 8 to 10. I've read a lot about the privacy concerns of Win10. There were options presented to me during the upgrade to disable Win10 from sending all sorts of stuff to Microsoft.

The upgrade was VERY easy and pain-free.

Still have Win7 on the desktop and probably won't upgrade it for the time being.

Shane

Shane, it sounds like Win 10 might work for me.  I have 8.1 on my laptop, and hate it.  The reviews I've read say it is difficult to dig down into Win 10 to avoid sending everything to Microsoft.  Do they give you a choice between automatic install and doing it step-by-step so that you can exclude the info you mentioned?  I haven't seen anyone else mentioning that they were able to exclude the info reporting features.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 11:36 PM »
Shane, it sounds like Win 10 might work for me.  I have 8.1 on my laptop, and hate it.  The reviews I've read say it is difficult to dig down into Win 10 to avoid sending everything to Microsoft.  Do they give you a choice between automatic install and doing it step-by-step so that you can exclude the info you mentioned?  I haven't seen anyone else mentioning that they were able to exclude the info reporting features.

Steve,

As I recall, and it's been almost a month since I did the upgrade, it gave the option during the upgrade to use the default settings or customize them. To me, it seemed pretty obvious what was being presented based on the language used. I selected to use custom settings and got 4-5 options to turn on/off various settings. Pretty simple.

I double checked them after reading about the concerns online a week or so after the install. Easy to check/tweak after the fact as well, from my perspective.

Reference: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/the-windows-10-privacy-settings-you-need-to-change-right-now-1301257

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 11:40 PM »
Super.  Thanks so much for the quick reply.

As you suggested to another, I'll download and not install at first.  I wasn't even going to do that until your post.

Thanks again,
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2015, 12:22 AM »
Reality is that no matter the flavour, upgrades these days are typically safe if your machine is up to spec and the software you use is reasonably standard.

Windows tends to expose you to more risk in terms of software compatibility and hardware compatibility simply because of their model and the broad range of manufacturers and software developers involved.

Must admit it amusing (in a good way) to see the community of trust here on the FOG where this sort of question is raised here and not on a tech board!

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2015, 12:24 AM »
I applied for a windows 10 upgrade several weeks ago. Still waiting. I guess Dell and Microsoft haven't gotten their act together on all the drivers yet. 

Like Shane I've been using an app to add a start menu to win 8.1 so there isn't any rush.  Without that win 8.1 wouldn't be workable for me to use on a daily basis for work

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2015, 03:26 AM »
I'm going to stay on Windows 7 as long as I possibly can. I tried 8 for a while but had to delete it with horror. 

I already had to heavily tweak 7 to get it to work like I was used to from previous versions, then looking at 8 it was completely out there. My main complaint is they changed a lot when working with the file explorer since 7, they made many things that were a breeze in XP a lot more difficult. God knows why.

So when 10 becomes mainstream I'm going to try it out first on a test machine before upgrading my main pc. But I'm definitely not looking forward to it.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 03:33 AM »
I've had win 10 on my laptop a few weeks now with no big problems so far. We just bought an Xbox one for my boys and with windows 10 you can stream it to the laptop. This is good as the Xbox is on our main TV so if I wanted to play it I don't have to stop anyone watching their program I just stream it to the laptop.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 08:20 AM »
My rule of thumb is to never install an even numbered Microsoft product. ;D


I'm with Steve on this.  My rule of thumb centers on the fact that Microsoft has blown every other release of the Windows O/S badly.  I will not upgrade to the next "good" release for at least a year after release, and preferably not until Service Pack 1 has been released AND a year has passed.  While I don't mind being on the leading edge, I prefer not being on the bleeding edge. 
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 08:48 AM »
I applied for a windows 10 upgrade several weeks ago. Still waiting. I guess Dell and Microsoft haven't gotten their act together on all the drivers yet. 

To reduce a huge burst in demand which could tax servers with downloads, Microsoft is rolling it out gradually to those who have applied for a free upgrade. If you search online, there's a method to force the upgrade so you don't have to wait for it. That's what I did on my notebook.
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 08:49 AM »
I  upgraded and for me works great and yes I was a windows 8 hater. No need to wait for the upgrade, also kept getting the wait message but found this link to bypass the wait. http://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 10:40 AM »
Thanks for the info on forcing the update.  The next couple of weeks is going to be busy for me with work so I'm going to hold off until I get to a breaking point.  I just don't want to risk creating an issue.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2015, 12:41 PM »

It's always struck me that if an OS is stable enough that a support line is no longer profitable far from being the time to stop using it that's the time to start using it!

I'm with Steve on this.  My rule of thumb centers on the fact that Microsoft has blown every other release of the Windows O/S badly.  I will not upgrade to the next "good" release for at least a year after release, and preferably not until Service Pack 1 has been released AND a year has passed.  While I don't mind being on the leading edge, I prefer not being on the bleeding edge.

I'm being equally circumspect, registered for it but I'll stick with my franken8.1 for at least a year.

8.1 with classic shell in full XP mode, file explorer in XP mode, start and metro/modern fully disabled, charms disabled, gestures disabled, all apps disabled, uninstalled, unstaged and deleted! UAC fully disabled. Then all the options Shane mentions switched off and IE disabled.

Finally override trusted installer throughout the filesystem and registry, so when you're admin there's no mysterious higher power controlling your machine. And at last 8.1 is usuable. (that doesn't mean running as admin - but I don't see why my own machine should tell me even when I explicitly promote to admin that I can't delete an old file!!!)

From what I've seen 10 is just as bad and superficially very similar, if not in some ways underneath worse; I can't see MS not wringing every last drop of personal data out to compensate them for the loss of revenue. They are moving to a google model which says all your data is our data and 10 is the vehicle. Android and OSX / iOS have been using that model for years now one openly the other behind the curtain.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2015, 12:57 PM »
From what I've seen 10 is just as bad and superficially very similar, if not in some ways underneath worse; I can't see MS not wringing every last drop of personal data out to compensate them for the loss of revenue. They are moving to a google model which says all your data is our data and 10 is the vehicle. Android and OSX / iOS have been using that model for years now one openly the other behind the curtain.

I see Ubuntu Linux in my immediate future... 
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2015, 12:58 PM »
I heard about this upgrade on the radio (Hartford) one time.  I turned out to be one of those reports that you hear once, and only once before the SHTF. The report said that the upgrade from 8 to 10 would be available, but it was going to be an automatic upgrade in 45 days.

I asked my computer guru about it and he said it did not pertain to Mac users.  I have been following this thread and i am wondering if, in the end, there will be a choice.  Or did the radio station get it wrong?
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2015, 01:07 PM »
I heard about this upgrade on the radio (Hartford) one time.  I turned out to be one of those reports that you hear once, and only once before the SHTF. The report said that the upgrade from 8 to 10 would be available, but it was going to be an automatic upgrade in 45 days.

I asked my computer guru about it and he said it did not pertain to Mac users.  I have been following this thread and i am wondering if, in the end, there will be a choice.  Or did the radio station get it wrong?
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If you're on a Mac, don't worry about it.  Then again, if you're upgrading to Win 10, you'd do well to read this article on Forbes about the unstoppable updates that you'll be forced to accept as part of the End User License. 
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2015, 01:15 PM »
I heard about this upgrade on the radio (Hartford) one time.  I turned out to be one of those reports that you hear once, and only once before the SHTF. The report said that the upgrade from 8 to 10 would be available, but it was going to be an automatic upgrade in 45 days.

The automation / compulsion threat is very real.

However if you're alert you can block it, after registering for the future upgrade, to regain control, go into windows update and look for KB3035583.

Disable/hide it, there will then be no nagging or constant attempts to force you to upgrade immediately (with all 3.5Gb).

I'm intending to clone my 8.1 to a fresh disk, perform the upgrade and then if I really can't stand it / live with it I'll swap the disk back :)

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2015, 01:21 PM »
If you're on a Mac, don't worry about it.

Not entirely true. OSX has it's own set of privacy "concerns".

http://lifehacker.com/lets-talk-about-apples-privacy-issues-1655944758

In reality, the OS's are just using your data to personalize your experience. Nearly every smartphone app does this, whether it be location-based or otherwise.

Personally, I think these things get a little blown out of proportion, but everyone has their own opinions on what constitutes an invasion of privacy. I could care less if Microsoft knows I'm on the FOG.  [smile]

This will continue to become more and more common as personalization is a big movement right now software and marketing. As long as you have the option to opt-out, I don't see the issue. If it were being done covertly, that's a different matter.

But this is an important part of the conversation for anyone considering to move to a new OS, and that's why I mentioned it in my original reply.
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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2015, 01:57 PM »
This will continue to become more and more common as personalization is a big movement right now software and marketing. As long as you have the option to opt-out, I don't see the issue. If it were being done covertly, that's a different matter.

I accept that it is the trend (I don't like it...) but the corollary to your very valid point about covert implementation is the coercion and deceit used to get everyone signed up willing or not, aware or not, and the clear effort that's gone into making genuine opt out a trial by fire of the virtual kind.

Combine that with a collection of 'benefits' that are almost all in the long-term about MS and not the user and it's hard to see how it's not just another expression of the '12 yr old' new boy wide-eyed developer syndrome... change is great, but not for it's own sake.

Take personalisation: the hardest thing for a software company when collecting and sifting data is establishing reference points you can trust enough to make decisions about. Getting someone to login with the same account globally on any machine so they have their roaming settings with them allows you to track their data use... yes it's anonymised at one level but at others it isn't and you can always bypass the anonymity if you're at the center of the system. It's one of the mechanisms Google use if you search after logging in, it's there in iTunes and MS want it in your login too.

Not saying it is something to lose sleep over but it is something to be informed about and make a decision about.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2015, 11:24 PM »

From what I've seen 10 is just as bad and superficially very similar, if not in some ways underneath worse; I can't see MS not wringing every last drop of personal data out to compensate them for the loss of revenue. They are moving to a google model which says all your data is our data and 10 is the vehicle. Android and OSX / iOS have been using that model for years now one openly the other behind the curtain.

I see Ubuntu Linux in my immediate future...

Yes, yes, yes!!

Even on my Macs I run Ubuntu and love it!  centOS is a close 2nd.   Throw it into a Docker or Vagrant and you have a bada__ setup!

(I know a decision like this is not in the cards for everyone, but for some it is a great thing!

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2015, 02:30 AM »
I'd run linux on my play machine, but I need my work applications to function 100%.

That said, with Office 365, I guess I can do more stuff "in the cloud" now? Does it need ActiveX? Or is it all HTML5? I have no idea how it works, I haven't upgraded from 2013.

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Re: Windows 10
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2015, 06:08 AM »
I'd run linux on my play machine, but I need my work applications to function 100%.

That said, with Office 365, I guess I can do more stuff "in the cloud" now? Does it need ActiveX? Or is it all HTML5? I have no idea how it works, I haven't upgraded from 2013.

LibreOffice 5 instead, good enough for the German state top to bottom.