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Offline Nickhead

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110v transformer systainer?
« on: March 24, 2016, 06:31 PM »
I've seen a few on here making a systainer into an extension lead and splitter but wondered if anyone has done anything with a 110v setup?

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2016, 06:33 PM »
I've seen a few on here making a systainer into an extension lead and splitter but wondered if anyone has done anything with a 110v setup?


......interesting thought.
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2016, 06:44 PM »
I've seen a few on here making a systainer into an extension lead and splitter but wondered if anyone has done anything with a 110v setup?


......interesting thought.
rg
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What would it actually achieve? I don't understand the obsession with integrating everything into a Systainer. A transformer already comes as a rugged unit with integrated carry handle. Putting it in a Systainer only makes it more bulky and vulnerable to breaking the Systainer that's less heavy duty than the transformer casing.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2016, 06:49 PM »
I've seen a few on here making a systainer into an extension lead and splitter but wondered if anyone has done anything with a 110v setup?


......interesting thought.
rg
Phil

What would it actually achieve? I don't understand the obsession with integrating everything into a Systainer. A transformer already comes as a rugged unit with integrated carry handle. Putting it in a Systainer only makes it more bulky and vulnerable to breaking the Systainer that's less heavy duty than the transformer casing.

You forgot overheating.

Offline jmbfestool

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2016, 02:53 AM »
I dont think sticking it a systainer is a good idea.

Reason have already been mentioned.

However I do believe it would be a good idea to design a transformer in a systainer shame/size.

I wont have the clips and hooks just just the shape/size of a systainer.  This will make it nice for people who rack their van out. Everything fits any where.
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 03:19 AM »
I dont think sticking it a systainer is a good idea.

Reason have already been mentioned.

However I do believe it would be a good idea to design a transformer in a systainer shame/size.

I wont have the clips and hooks just just the shape/size of a systainer.  This will make it nice for people who rack their van out. Everything fits any where.
Thats a good idea.

So exact same shape as a systainer but with a screw down lid same as a normal transformer and maybe made from the same tough reinforced plastic.

Not sure what size systainer it would end up being but as long as it was 5kva that would run the kapex fine then.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 05:11 AM »
I currently carry the 110v transformer in a Dewalt Tough System case with two loose 25m extension leads, normally take it out on site to plug it in.

90% of my kit is battery and lives in the tough system boxes but as I'm buying a CTL midi I've decided that all my 110v stuff will live in T loc systainers and stack on the extractor. The Dewalt boxes are a little stronger and less brittle than the systainers so I might have to secure the pack in place to stop it sliding in the systainer and cracking the box!

I'll keep you all posted if I manage to make or find any good ideas

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2016, 06:44 AM »
I currently carry the 110v transformer in a Dewalt Tough System case with two loose 25m extension leads, normally take it out on site to plug it in.

90% of my kit is battery and lives in the tough system boxes but as I'm buying a CTL midi I've decided that all my 110v stuff will live in T loc systainers and stack on the extractor. The Dewalt boxes are a little stronger and less brittle than the systainers so I might have to secure the pack in place to stop it sliding in the systainer and cracking the box!

I'll keep you all posted if I manage to make or find any good ideas

Make a plywood sleeve to put inside the T-Loc box which strengthens it?
Although I am a real T-Loc convert and have pretty much all my tools in them I was slightly disappointed that they weren't a bit more rigid. Twice as thick plastic would have been nice.

Offline Nickhead

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2016, 06:48 AM »
the material the Stanley and Dwealt boxes are made from is superb, its got flex, and strength. the makpac's and systainers are just a little fragile for me especially where they get humped and dumped from job to job.

I'll only be using the T-loc's for my limited 110v gear and won't be used everyday so should hold up ok.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2016, 07:07 AM »


thats the plan!

Offline mac sparrow

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2016, 07:16 AM »
Agreed, it would be nice.  If there was any serious traction I'd investigate having one custom made using a metal casing or possibly resin.  I feel it would be cost prohibitive though, for a 5kVA you'd be looking at £300 I'd estimate.

How would you design yours, you would still have to have the 110v plugs sticking out of the systainer profile?

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2016, 07:43 AM »
Agreed, it would be nice.  If there was any serious traction I'd investigate having one custom made using a metal casing or possibly resin.  I feel it would be cost prohibitive though, for a 5kVA you'd be looking at £300 I'd estimate.

How would you design yours, you would still have to have the 110v plugs sticking out of the systainer profile?
I suppose they could be set in slightly.

Need someone who knows exactly how the innards of a transformer need to be laid out. Then you can see how small a systainer it can be fitted into. I'd imagine it would have to be size 2.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2016, 07:54 AM »


plugs could be something like this.

ideally it would be brilliant to get it into a 1 or 2 by completely reconfiguring a transformer but I wouldnt know the layout answer without some research

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2016, 12:06 PM »
Side note but I'm of the opinion that any transformer (or even power lead for that matter) should have an LED indicator to show when its live.

Don't know about you but it doesn't half irritate me when a powertool doesn't work and I have to go back down the leads, spiders and whatever with a powertool I know works trying to find where the problem is.

LEDs would show this information at a glance.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2016, 01:48 PM »
Side note but I'm of the opinion that any transformer (or even power lead for that matter) should have an LED indicator to show when its live.

Totally agree! Nothing worse than checking every Bloody lead, box and then finding out the power is off

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2016, 03:59 PM »
Side note but I'm of the opinion that any transformer (or even power lead for that matter) should have an LED indicator to show when its live.

Don't know about you but it doesn't half irritate me when a powertool doesn't work and I have to go back down the leads, spiders and whatever with a powertool I know works trying to find where the problem is.

LEDs would show this information at a glance.

I stick my ear on it to see if its humming.  If its quiet its not working.
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2016, 04:02 PM »
Agreed, it would be nice.  If there was any serious traction I'd investigate having one custom made using a metal casing or possibly resin.  I feel it would be cost prohibitive though, for a 5kVA you'd be looking at £300 I'd estimate.

How would you design yours, you would still have to have the 110v plugs sticking out of the systainer profile?

I would have the plugs set in

I also would have the handle set down like the old festool CT22 vac.  So you have a flat top. You have a heavy duty mini work bench to cut on quickly.  Also you can place a festool box on saves bending down as far to get your drill or sander out etc. 

Dont know why im thinking about it I hate 110v so i dont have the hassle using 110v.
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2016, 04:19 PM »
I absolutely hate 110v but don't have the option on some jobs annoyingly

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2016, 04:22 PM »
I stick my ear on it to see if its humming.  If its quiet its not working.

Aye, same here but my transformer is pretty quiet so I have to have my ear right up against it to tell (others practically rattle the floor)  and I've yet to find an extension or spider that hums.

LEDs are cheap enough nowadays that I firmly believe they should be on every 110 site extension and transformer.

Doesn't have to be bright but its not rocket science to sort and saves a good deal of time.
Every one of the people here who work on site will know the times when some plum plugs in masses of halogens and overloads the system to the point where the transformers start cutting out. Total pain in the backside tracking the problem though.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2016, 04:35 PM »
I absolutely hate 110v but don't have the option on some jobs annoyingly
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2016, 04:38 PM »
I absolutely hate 110v but don't have the option on some jobs annoyingly
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2016, 05:54 PM »
I absolutely hate 110v but don't have the option on some jobs annoyingly
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2016, 06:20 PM »
Homemade carrot cake from one of mine the other week lol


Offline Nickhead

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2016, 02:19 PM »
I've just ordered a t-loc 3,

By my measurements the sealed part of the 110v transformer will fit in a 3, I'll relocate the switches and wires to the sides.

Watch this space!!

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2016, 03:48 PM »
I've just ordered a t-loc 3,

By my measurements the sealed part of the 110v transformer will fit in a 3, I'll relocate the switches and wires to the sides.

Watch this space!!

If you had an attic lid you might be able to stick led strip in there and have a worklight as well.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2016, 04:46 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2016, 05:15 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?
No 110v is for construction site use here

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2016, 05:32 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

No the motors are different voltage.  110v is for cowboy trades man and 240v are for the elite trades man.  [eek]
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2016, 05:33 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

Yes; the rest of the world is on 230v single phase, but UK construction is 1/2 @110v which is also 2-phase. Japan is is also 100v.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2016, 06:21 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

Yes; the rest of the world is on 230v single phase, but UK construction is 1/2 @110v which is also 2-phase. Japan is is also 100v.

In the US 2-Phase actually refers to an early type of electrical power used in some industrialized areas, such as Philadelphia, NY, and I think St. Louis. The individual energized wires had there phases offset by 90 degrees.

The 110v power used in the UK would be refered to as Split-Phase.



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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2016, 06:26 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

No the motors are different voltage.  110v is for cowboy trades man and 240v are for the elite trades man.  [eek]
No 110v is for pros and 240v is for diy lol ;-)

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2016, 06:38 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

No the motors are different voltage.  110v is for cowboy trades man and 240v are for the elite trades man.  [eek]

Here in the states being a cowboy is a cmpliment, it means your a hard as nails person
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2016, 06:40 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

No the motors are different voltage.  110v is for cowboy trades man and 240v are for the elite trades man.  [eek]
No 110v is for pros and 240v is for diy lol ;-)


110v = commercial i.e. shop-fitting, car showrooms, hotels bars shopping malls etc done by professional tradesmen

240v = domestic by mums and dads and their children and cowboys trades men

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2016, 07:25 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

Its so the proper site tradesmen don't get mistaken for the household cake munchers and tea sippers [wink]

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2016, 07:54 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

Its so the proper site tradesmen don't get mistaken for the household cake munchers and tea sippers [wink]

Today my customer went and bought me fish and chips for lunch.  Sound lad!

240V =competent trades man who know what they are doing and the only cable they might damage are the ones in the walls or floor which are all 240v or higher.

110v= trades man who need molly-coddling because they are likely to kill them selfs by drilling or cutting into their own tool cables and still as likely to damage floor or wall cables with 240v or higher.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2016, 08:00 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

Its so the proper site tradesmen don't get mistaken for the household cake munchers and tea sippers [wink]

LMAO !!!! That's good buddy
Billy

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2016, 08:09 PM »
I'm from the states, why do you need a transformer are the tools sold wired differently over there ?

Its so the proper site tradesmen don't get mistaken for the household cake munchers and tea sippers [wink]

Today my customer went and bought me fish and chips for lunch.  Sound lad!

240V =competent trades man who know what they are doing and the only cable they might damage are the ones in the walls or floor which are all 240v or higher.

110v= trades man who need molly-coddling because they are likely to kill them selfs by drilling or cutting into their own tool cables and still as likely to damage floor or wall cables with 240v or higher.

...... [dead horse]

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2016, 08:46 PM »
You Englishmen are bad .. funny but bad...lol
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2016, 02:46 AM »
The weird thing that gets me is that if you have 110v tools you can work anywhere you want so why wouldn't you have them. With 240v you can only do domestic work.

These days I don't really do site work but I still use 110v tools.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2016, 03:12 AM »
The weird thing that gets me is that if you have 110v tools you can work anywhere you want so why wouldn't you have them. With 240v you can only do domestic work.

These days I don't really do site work but I still use 110v tools.

Chris you don't have a domino 700 then. loads of festoools not in the 110v line up in the UK
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2016, 03:35 AM »
The weird thing that gets me is that if you have 110v tools you can work anywhere you want so why wouldn't you have them. With 240v you can only do domestic work.

These days I don't really do site work but I still use 110v tools.

Chris you don't have a domino 700 then. loads of festoools not in the 110v line up in the UK
Lol don't need one ;) yet

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2016, 04:03 AM »
The weird thing that gets me is that if you have 110v tools you can work anywhere you want so why wouldn't you have them. With 240v you can only do domestic work.

These days I don't really do site work but I still use 110v tools.

I did think the same.

But

Both my previous employees didnt bother about 110 or 240.

One was just a small builder doing pub renovations, flat conversion, extentions etc

The other was a big joinery firm slash builder employed 20-40 blokes mainly doing JCB work and across the country even down London. That was one of the reasons I left the firm because I hated working down London horrible place to work.

My mentor went to work for another joinery company who are equally not fused about 110v or 240v and do work across the country even down london. They asked me to work for them but it was going to be down London..... Nah thanks.

So I decided why spend exactly the same amount of money on tools which are in reality inferior. Im glad I did because when I discovered festool they seem mainly 240 orientated any way plus of all tool brands are the worst on 110v.

So from my point I have never seen the need in 240v.

My mate is 110v and 240v but mainly 110v but hes converting to 240v with every tool he replaces now. We work abit together and he prefers the extra power he gets out of my tools. Plus my tools always zap his tools when we both use a tool at the same time. (I sometimes just make sure I start my TS55 up when hes about to use his TS55 just to  pi ss him off haahaaaa just as hes half way through a cut it bogs down lol)
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2016, 04:32 AM »
Joking aside, its just the places that people work at.

As I'm a site based subcontractor then I use 110 leads and ideally the site has their own step down transformer that I plug my leads into. Eventually in the last week or so of the site they get rid of the large transformers (which are often big 10 Kva things dropping down from three phase) and then we just use the 230* volt wall sockets to plug our dropdown transformers into to finish the job.

There's no doubt in my mind that the yellow 110 plugs and sockets are waay more robust than the household mickey mouse things so they survive the rigours of hard use better.
Mickey mouse plug.


Fairly decent "110" plug that survives people standing on it accidentally.


There are blue mains voltage plugs and sockets (Like above but in blue) avalible but pretty much the only time I see those is connected upto a generator or hooked upto the side of a caravan.







*"Historically the domestic voltage was 240 V +/-6% (and 415V 3phase), whilst continental Europe was 220V (380V 3 phase). Since 1995 the nominal voltage across Europe has been 230V (400V 3 phase). In practice nothing has been changed in the UK."

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2016, 05:26 AM »
...

*"Historically the domestic voltage was 240 V +/-6% (and 415V 3phase), whilst continental Europe was 220V (380V 3 phase). Since 1995 the nominal voltage across Europe has been 230V (400V 3 phase). In practice nothing has been changed in the UK."

I wonder if they charge by the amp-hour?

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2016, 05:37 AM »
There are blue mains voltage plugs and sockets (Like above but in blue) avalible but pretty much the only time I see those is connected upto a generator or hooked upto the side of a caravan.

The 16A blue plugs are also commonly used in workshops for larger stationery machinery; large saws, spindle moulders, planers etc. that draw more than a 13A 230V plug can deliver.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2016, 06:20 AM »
I would much rather use 240 but some sites insist on it and it's not worth having two sets of tools!!

240?... 110?...

Battery is the answer!! Festool just need to make more

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2016, 01:33 PM »
The 16A blue plugs are also commonly used in workshops for larger stationery machinery; large saws, spindle moulders, planers etc. that draw more than a 13A 230V plug can deliver.

Most of the workshop tools like large saws and spindle moulders (shapers to the Americans) I've seen use the red plugs and three phase.

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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2016, 02:08 PM »
The 16A blue plugs are also commonly used in workshops for larger stationery machinery; large saws, spindle moulders, planers etc. that draw more than a 13A 230V plug can deliver.

Most of the workshop tools like large saws and spindle moulders (shapers to the Americans) I've seen use the red plugs and three phase.

Blue plug is single phase ,  red , as you say, is 3 phase
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Re: 110v transformer systainer?
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2016, 02:43 PM »
had a rubbish day today,

cut the top off a 110v transformer and made a cradle for the box with a lid, took me a couple of hours of faffing around with 9mm mdf and glue.

Put a top on it and then realised with the chock blocks ontop it wouldnt fit in the sys3.

looks like it might be a 4 or even a 5 if I want to carry extension leads with it so i might just leave the 110v box complete!