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Offline Cheese

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #120 on: March 23, 2018, 01:38 PM »
Great thread here!  I have been looking at options for power distribution at a rolling stack that could include chargers as well.  @Cheese  You mentioned that you were going to put your CSX charger in the empty space of your box.  Do you have a pic of that?  I am curious how much space is left for another charger.  I have a Milwaukee M12 charger I would also add in the box if it would fit.

The conversion looks like a winner!  Great job guys! :D

I think you'll have plenty of room for a M12 charger, they're rather small if I remember correctly.

Here's how the CSX charger fits in. Charger + battery charging with the lid closed. [cool]
« Last Edit: March 23, 2018, 01:41 PM by Cheese »

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #121 on: March 23, 2018, 10:27 PM »
Wow Thank you @Cheese for the photo!  This looks like the cat's pajamas!  It certainly solves an issue for me trying to keep mobile stacks in limited space and still being able to have accessibility to function.
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #122 on: March 23, 2018, 10:57 PM »
Ya it’s pretty sweet...the CXS charger fits in there along with a charger for the iPhone and I’ll probably add a charger for the regular 18 volt Festool tools, so that will maintain the charge for the TSC 55 and the HKC 55. Pretty stoked.

Very nice...can’t understand why Festool is dragging their butt on this one...then again...dragging butt is what Festool does well...and they’ve done it well for years...yawn.
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #123 on: March 24, 2018, 08:52 AM »
I ordered one last night from Amazon.de and am looking forward to adding this to my stack.  The organization and convenience factor is big here for my application.  Inconvenient to not be able to just order one ready made but w/e.  Thanks again to all who contributed here! 
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #124 on: March 24, 2018, 09:01 AM »
Don't be too surprised if it shows up on your doorstep within 3-4 days.  [big grin]

Offline Scorpion

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120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #125 on: March 24, 2018, 09:41 AM »
Hmm...what about swapping out the lid for an attic lid for the cellphone?  Maybe not any more accessible.  Just a thought.

This is what sparked the idea.


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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #126 on: March 24, 2018, 09:45 AM »
Hmm...what about swapping out the lid for an attic lid for the cellphone?  Maybe not any more accessible.  Just a thought.

This is what sparked the idea.


You may run into clearance issues with the attic lid and the cover over the power bus. I'd be interested if it works out.

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #127 on: March 24, 2018, 03:40 PM »
Here it is a Power Hub Systainer with the attic lid. Fits perfectly BUT you loose the designation of SYS-PH on the front of the lid. But Apple charging wall warts do not fit in the attic.
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #128 on: March 24, 2018, 05:35 PM »
Hmm...what about swapping out the lid for an attic lid for the cellphone?  Maybe not any more accessible.  Just a thought.

This is what sparked the idea.


You may run into clearance issues with the attic lid and the cover over the power bus. I'd be interested if it works out.

Didn’t look to hard at it but you might be right.  When I get back to the project I’ll swap lids and see if they fit. 


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Offline Nailed IT

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #129 on: April 06, 2018, 01:17 PM »
So I received my Sys-PH and made my conversion.  I must say that both the original construction and European electrical system (plug/receptacle) gained my respect.  The original is pretty solid and I wish our American electrical standard was as robust.  But be that as it may, thanks to all the great folks here (especially @Cheese), viola here is my 110v 15a version. 

I opted for a gray receptacle so as to avoid confusion with the original.  [big grin]

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Offline RGundersen

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #130 on: July 05, 2018, 02:37 PM »
For the internal plug on the SYS-PH I am trying to understand any real benefit to it being a covered outlet, vs just a standard receptacle?  My thoughts are if building one from scratch an internal plug still makes sense as folks have posted using it to connect a battery charger etc, but given it is inside a standard receptacle would also then allow for one of the current designs that also has a couple of USB ports with two 110 outlets rather than a single 110 covered outlet?


Offline James Carriere

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #131 on: July 05, 2018, 08:36 PM »
For the internal plug on the SYS-PH I am trying to understand any real benefit to it being a covered outlet, vs just a standard receptacle?  My thoughts are if building one from scratch an internal plug still makes sense as folks have posted using it to connect a battery charger etc, but given it is inside a standard receptacle would also then allow for one of the current designs that also has a couple of USB ports with two 110 outlets rather than a single 110 covered outlet?

The benefit of the internal covered outlet is for safety and to maintain the IP54 rating.  The top lid of the Sys PH Systainer does not have a integral weather seal like the internal cover plate for the wiring does and there are open holes on the bottom of the unit.  Thus if there is a significant splash, water could possibly enter the unit and the inside covered plug would still offer some level of protection vs. an uncovered internal plug. 

I just finished my Sys Power Box this morning and it went quickly and smoothly by maintaining the same original style plugs for the exchange as per the ones recommended by @Cheese.

Offline RGundersen

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #132 on: July 06, 2018, 12:13 AM »
For converting a SYS-PH to 110v yes keeping with NEMA compatible plugs makes sense. 

I was going down the original thought lines of building from scratch. Using the covered plugs externally still seems to make sense for general environmental protection but realistically internally it is going to need a submerssion event which is going to cause problems for the box period.

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #133 on: July 06, 2018, 07:23 AM »
I was going down the original thought lines of building from scratch. Using the covered plugs externally still seems to make sense for general environmental protection but realistically internally it is going to need a submerssion event which is going to cause problems for the box period.


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Offline Cheese

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #134 on: July 06, 2018, 12:22 PM »
Hey @Nailed IT & @James Carriere , thanks for the mention...🙏🙏

FWIW...I turned the internal outlet 90º because it was easier to use and allowed the Systainer cover to be closed while my iPhone was still plugged in. [smile]

Mine has been plugged in non-stop, 24/7 since March. It's also been used for hours long periods with a RO 125 and a CT 22 and never a hiccup.

Offline Nailed IT

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2018, 05:12 PM »
@Cheese  You are quite welcome sir!!  Your help was much appreciated.   :D

I like the idea of turning the inside outlet to clear the charger.  I am wondering if I could mount a usb hub charger in mine with outside access.  I will have to give it some thought! 
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #136 on: December 06, 2018, 06:36 PM »
Need help putting one of these together...
Jobsite power situation is a nightmare, need to mount something to my CT so I can have all my outlets with me, tapped in to the shortest run to panel.

Can't find a Sys ph that will ship to my location. PM me with insight if you can help. Thanks!
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Offline MVWood

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #137 on: December 06, 2018, 10:37 PM »
Same here. I am just starting to convert all my misc tools to the sys platform and I would like to make the power station part of my collection.

Offline Cheese

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2018, 11:53 PM »
Start with looking at Amazon.de to order a European SYS-PH. Then just order the outlets mentioned in this post and disassemble and then reassemble.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2018, 11:55 PM by Cheese »

Offline MVWood

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #139 on: December 07, 2018, 07:28 AM »
Thanks cheese I did go there last night and found the tab to convert the text to English and was able to get mine ordered👍

Offline Gregor

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2018, 07:32 AM »
While having the guts exposed you could think about adding a residual current protective device.

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2018, 07:37 AM »
Struck out with .de  but was able to order one from elsewhere...i think...
I'm hoping to add a pin and sleeve connector on the outside for the extension cord... With a short cord to connect to the CT26 as one option, and the longer cord for running direct to power source. 
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Offline Cheese

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #142 on: December 07, 2018, 08:54 AM »
Thanks cheese I did go there last night and found the tab to convert the text to English and was able to get mine ordered👍

Don’t be surprised if it shows up within 4-5 days...mine did. It takes me longer to get items ordered from California than from Amazon.de.

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #143 on: December 07, 2018, 10:36 AM »
While having the guts exposed you could think about adding a residual current protective device.

Just curious, what's a residual current protective device and how does it work?

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #144 on: December 07, 2018, 06:26 PM »
While having the guts exposed you could think about adding a residual current protective device.

Just curious, what's a residual current protective device and how does it work?
Might have picked the UK nomenclature from the translator, it's ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) in the US.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device for details, gist is it instantly disconnects the circuit in case power flowing into the supply dosn't come out of the return again (eg. when you're grounding it through your body).

TL;DR: makes line level electrical current basically harmless to humans, get some 5mA ones for your shop if you don't have them by now.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2018, 06:35 PM by Gregor »

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #145 on: December 08, 2018, 08:19 AM »
While having the guts exposed you could think about adding a residual current protective device.
 

Might also want to install a whole-house surge protector, too, especially if you're working in rural areas or off a genny. 
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #146 on: December 08, 2018, 12:30 PM »
...it's ground fault circuit interrupter (GFCI) in the US.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device for details, gist is it instantly disconnects the circuit in case power flowing into the supply dosn't come out of the return again (eg. when you're grounding it through your body).

That's a good idea, the only issue is available space inside the closed off receptacle area. Do they make a small GFCI module that could be integrated into the SYS PH?


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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #147 on: December 08, 2018, 02:11 PM »
Hi!

Personally I wouldn't bother trying to built one into the housing/sys.

I use the German equivalent of one of these: http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/public/en/crouse-hinds/products/plugs_receptacles/portable_power_solutions/portable_gfci_cableassemblies.html

https://www.grainger.com/category/portable-gfci/extension-cords-and-power-strips/electrical-supplies/electrical/ecatalog/N-191z

Fits perfectly into the SYS with the rest of the cable.





Kind regards,
Oliver

Edit: I knew I had talked about it on this thread before.  [eek] [big grin]

I'm curious what is the purpose of it? It's equivalent to a simple power strip, but 20 times bigger. Not to mention the cost. Why?

If it is done in a way that preserves a lot of the interior Systainer space, then additional extensions cords, adapters, battery charger and power related items could also be transported and stored in one unit that fits the stacking system. Maybe even a couple small lights.  If building a custom one the size could be whatever is needed to accommodate other things.

Not sure I would make good use of a power Sys but I do have a lighting kit in a Systainer. And maybe that could use a revamp to make it more multipurpose. One of the things I try to avoid is having a bunch of things like cord reels and odd ball shaped cases or things that are not in cases that make transport a hassle.

Seth

Seth makes a good point here.

I'd like to add the following:

The SYS-PH might seem "bulky" if compared to a power strip or simple cable reel - but if used with other Systainers, CTL-SYS, SYS-CART it makes for a very compact footprint and offers additional space.

For example (and without going into to much details, I try to keep it short): In Germany, if you do commercial work you are required to only use electric circuits that are deemed safe and in proper working condition.

This can be achieved in two ways:

1) The construction/ work site offers a power supply/distribution set up and tested by an electrician.
2) You use whatever power supply/distribution is available but you put your personal PRCD-S between supply and your tools/distribution. What it does especially, is that it won't stay on if there is anything wrong with the circuit you want to use. If the circuit checks out OK, it will provide additional safety like any RCCB/RCD.





So if you don't have a distribution with built in PRCD (which is then mostly as big/bulky as a systainer, maybe even more - and which abides by all rules/regulations) you will most definitely have at least one additional power strip with PRCD built in.

Since I take safety pretty seriously even though I don't do any commercial work, I have one of these and it fits perfectly into the SYS-PH together with the other power strip.



The SYS-PH is the first Systainer to go on my SYS-Cart - on top of it is my CTL-SYS.





This gives me options:

Plug CTL-SYS in SYS-PH and tool in CTL-SYS's socket

Plug CTL-SYS and tool in SYS-PH (Like pictured above, because I switched on and off manually)

Plug CTL-SYS and tool(s) in SYS-PH and one tool in CTL-SYS's socket.

In anyway, in essence you have only one cord running to your stack and everything packs up nicely and is easily moved - you can always just sling the cord around the stack an move within a minute from one place to the next.

I loved this when I had to put my stack on the patio's roof for example.

You might have no need for any of this, that's fine. But others might. ;)

Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: December 08, 2018, 02:13 PM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #148 on: December 09, 2018, 12:05 PM »
While looking around for a small GFCI module to place inside the outlet cavity within the SYS PH, I stumbled upon this option. The European plug has to be cut off the end of the SYS PH cord and replaced with a US version. If you replace it with a Hubbel or Arrow-Hart industrial plug, it'll run around $10-$15.

This is a Tower GFCI plug that replaces the original European plug for $33 through MSC.

http://www.towermfg.com/Cut%20Sheets/CUT%20SHEET%2030434009.pdf

http://www.towermfg.com/Cut%20Sheets/CUT%20SHEET%2030434010.pdf

However they're also available for purchase here:

https://www.amazon.com/Tower-Manufacturing-30434009-Auto-Reset-Right/dp/B011BDWS5Y/ref=asc_df_B011BDWS5Y/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312069228616&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7986367419248252755&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019537&hvtargid=pla-633907381197&psc=1

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #149 on: December 09, 2018, 01:27 PM »
Do you know if these will prevent the user from using a faulty outlet?

The German PRCD-S does that, won't stay on if the outlet/installation is iffy. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver