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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 05:07 PM »
Nice job Greg...👍

Just one more item to add to my “to do” list.  [smile]

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 05:15 PM »
Nice job Greg...👍

Just one more item to add to my “to do” list.  [smile]

Thanks  [big grin]

@Cheese Just remember it is a EXPENSIVE solution. The Sockets are $12 each or $60 for all 5. Plus $205 (134 British pounds) for the UK Power Hub Systainer. So it is a very expensive power strip. But it is something I have wanted ever since Festool started shipping the Power Hub in Europe several years ago. Just something fun to have as you really can not justify the cost.  [tongue]
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 05:40 PM »
Greg - for posterity's sake, and if you have an additional minute, how about a photo showing the bus bar/guts of the system? Thanks! :)
@TinyShop I was hesitant to post that Photo. As I fear Festool/FOG board moderators will take down the post for modifying the guts of one of their products. The inside plastic divider is secured with security screws, so Festool does not want customers messing with the wiring. If it is OK with the FOG board moderators I can post. Other wise you can message me.

@Greg Powers , as much as I really hate to say it, you were correct.  I too would love to see what you did but showing others will have to be done off the forum.  And just because the system doesn't allow image in PM you may have to resort to email.

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 06:06 PM »

@Cheese Just remember it is a EXPENSIVE solution. The Sockets are $12 each or $60 for all 5. Plus $205 (134 British pounds) for the UK Power Hub Systainer. So it is a very expensive power strip.

It is expensive but I look at it this way. $265 plus for the SYS and extra parts, however when Festool finally gets around to releasing a US version, they’ll probably charge at least that much for it in the states.  [tongue]

I’ve located some black receptacles that should work. Do you know the dimensions of the receptacle bolt pattern?

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 06:10 PM »
Peter (can't tag you for some reason) - I should have been more clear I guess. I was only requesting an image of the internals pre-mod. I can't find on any online so I thought we would all benefit from being able to see what's going under the hood, so to speak, of a stock SYS-PH.

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 06:28 PM »
Peter (can't tag you for some reason) - I should have been more clear I guess. I was only requesting an image of the internals pre-mod. I can't find on any online so I thought we would all benefit from being able to see what's going under the hood, so to speak, of a stock SYS-PH.

See the third image in his initial post number 17 above.  That shows the interior and the security screws...

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 06:33 PM »
Greg - for posterity's sake, and if you have an additional minute, how about a photo showing the bus bar/guts of the system? Thanks! :)
@TinyShop I was hesitant to post that Photo. As I fear Festool/FOG board moderators will take down the post for modifying the guts of one of their products. The inside plastic divider is secured with security screws, so Festool does not want customers messing with the wiring. If it is OK with the FOG board moderators I can post. Other wise you can message me.

@Greg Powers , as much as I really hate to say it, you were correct.  I too would love to see what you did but showing others will have to be done off the forum.  And just because the system doesn't allow image in PM you may have to resort to email.

Sorry,

Peter


I completely understand. Still this is a great place to talk about all things FESTOOL.  [big grin]

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2018, 06:35 PM »

@Cheese Just remember it is a EXPENSIVE solution. The Sockets are $12 each or $60 for all 5. Plus $205 (134 British pounds) for the UK Power Hub Systainer. So it is a very expensive power strip.

It is expensive but I look at it this way. $265 plus for the SYS and extra parts, however when Festool finally gets around to releasing a US version, they’ll probably charge at least that much for it in the states.  [tongue]

I’ve located some black receptacles that should work. Do you know the dimensions of the receptacle bolt pattern?

@Cheese  PM me your email address and I can send you the specks from the blue sockets.
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2018, 06:39 PM »
Peter (can't tag you for some reason) - I should have been more clear I guess. I was only requesting an image of the internals pre-mod. I can't find on any online so I thought we would all benefit from being able to see what's going under the hood, so to speak, of a stock SYS-PH.

See the third image in his initial post number 17 above.  That shows the interior and the security screws...

@neilc I think he wants to see the power bus and how the sockets are wired. A photo of what is behind the plastic divider and the security screws. That is what can not be posted here. But I would be glad to email to anyone that wants a Photo.
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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2018, 06:59 PM »
@Greg Powers , if you have an image pre-mod then I think that is ok to be posted here.  No different than taking a cover off of a tool to show the internals.

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2018, 07:00 PM »
Do you know the dimensions of the receptacle bolt pattern?

@Cheese The bolt mounting holes are 38mm center to center both horizontal and vertical. The outside edge of the socket is 50mm square.
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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2018, 07:02 PM »
@Greg Powers , if you have an image pre-mod then I think that is ok to be posted here.  No different than taking a cover off of a tool to show the internals.

Peter

Yes the photos are pre-modification.
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2018, 07:09 PM »
Thanks Greg! Wow, there's a lot more going on in there than I expected....

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2018, 07:14 PM »
Thanks Greg! Wow, there's a lot more going on in there than I expected....

@TinyShop It might look that way but with the power bus at the bottom Festool really reduce the wiring. I bet it makes assembly very easy and quick. Everything is just plug it in. No wire nuts or screw on connection.
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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2018, 07:38 PM »
Indeed, I just hadn't put much thought into what might be there. The use of a bus is obvious now that I see it. I'll keep this in mind for my own project....

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2018, 07:45 PM »
The power-hub is also available on Amazon.de. Considerably cheaper there at 132.02 Euros. And that’s with the VAT still added in. I’m guessing that it would still end up cheaper even after adding in shipping. Been thinking about this as well.

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 03:00 AM »
Those push sockets are garbage. You're soo much better off with the replacements that have screws.

Transformer that you can switch between 5v and 10v boost for safety on Kapex? 

I wonder even if power factor correction would make tools run better...

But, everything is $ to add. If anyone wants to just "go all out" with any of that stuff, I can probably help.

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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2018, 03:44 AM »
I wonder even if power factor correction would make tools run better...

Power factor correction is for the benefit of the power supply company and has no effect on the load that you connect to that power.

PFC is there to minimise the transmission losses of supplying you that power.

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2018, 07:24 AM »
Greg, can you tell if the specifications on that pdf are the same for the blue socket?
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2018, 09:01 AM »
Greg, can you tell if the specifications on that pdf are the same for the blue socket?

That's funny Mario, those are the same receptacles I was looking at.  [smile]

Also of interest is they are rated IP54 vs IP44.

Thanks @Greg Powers for the dimensions 🙏, they agree with the dimensions of the International Configuration receptacle.

http://internationalconfig.com/icc6.asp?item=70020&submit1.x=14&submit1.y=7
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 09:57 AM »
I'm curious what is the purpose of it? It's equivalent to a simple power strip, but 20 times bigger. Not to mention the cost. Why?

If it is done in a way that preserves a lot of the interior Systainer space, then additional extensions cords, adapters, battery charger and power related items could also be transported and stored in one unit that fits the stacking system. Maybe even a couple small lights.  If building a custom one the size could be whatever is needed to accommodate other things.

Not sure I would make good use of a power Sys but I do have a lighting kit in a Systainer. And maybe that could use a revamp to make it more multipurpose. One of the things I try to avoid is having a bunch of things like cord reels and odd ball shaped cases or things that are not in cases that make transport a hassle.

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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 09:59 AM »
Greg,


Is there a receptacle / outlet on the inside? Or does that serve a special purpose?

Seth

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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 10:12 AM »
FWIW...just got a note back from International Configuration and they have the 70020-BLK receptacles in stock at $6.46 each.  [smile]

However, they do have a $50 minimum charge.  [sad]

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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 12:09 PM »
I wonder even if power factor correction would make tools run better...

Power factor correction is for the benefit of the power supply company and has no effect on the load that you connect to that power.

PFC is there to minimise the transmission losses of supplying you that power.

While I'm not sure about saws, this is a woefully incorrect statement. Were you right then large office buildings wouldn't be requiring PFC built SMPSs to get around the problems developing where they're overusing electricity that has been making nutty harmonics & losing stability. And it has a substantial affect on all things audio.

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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 12:49 PM »
It does stack with existing stuff, which makes for a clean way to do things.

And I don't know how long you've been on the forum, looking or posting, but I think it's obvious anything Systainer goes around here. It doesn't have to make a ton of sense, be economical, or practical to be created.

BTW I think paying the price for stacking systems that leave a space looking clean is worth a pretty big dollar figure to many of us.

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« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2018, 01:05 PM »
FWIW...just got a note back from International Configuration and they have the 70020-BLK receptacles in stock at $6.46 each.  [smile]

However, they do have a $50 minimum charge.  [sad]

Simple, build two units and sell one  [wink]
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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2018, 01:09 PM »
It does stack with existing stuff, which makes for a clean way to do things.

And I don't know how long you've been on the forum, looking or posting, but I think it's obvious anything Systainer goes around here. It doesn't have to make a ton of sense, be economical, or practical to be created.

BTW I think paying the price for stacking systems that leave a space looking clean is worth a pretty big dollar figure to many of us.

Plus one here.

Like I said all along it is a expensive plug strip. And you can not economically/business wise justify the cost. But I have wanted from  the first day Festool released the Power Hub.
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2018, 01:09 PM »
I'm curious what is the purpose of it? It's equivalent to a simple power strip, but 20 times bigger. Not to mention the cost. Why?

If it is done in a way that preserves a lot of the interior Systainer space, then additional extensions cords, adapters, battery charger and power related items could also be transported and stored in one unit that fits the stacking system. Maybe even a couple small lights.  If building a custom one the size could be whatever is needed to accommodate other things.

Not sure I would make good use of a power Sys but I do have a lighting kit in a Systainer. And maybe that could use a revamp to make it more multipurpose. One of the things I try to avoid is having a bunch of things like cord reels and odd ball shaped cases or things that are not in cases that make transport a hassle.

Seth

Seth makes a good point here.

I'd like to add the following:

The SYS-PH might seem "bulky" if compared to a power strip or simple cable reel - but if used with other Systainers, CTL-SYS, SYS-CART it makes for a very compact footprint and offers additional space.

For example (and without going into to much details, I try to keep it short): In Germany, if you do commercial work you are required to only use electric circuits that are deemed safe and in proper working condition.

This can be achieved in two ways:

1) The construction/ work site offers a power supply/distribution set up and tested by an electrician.
2) You use whatever power supply/distribution is available but you put your personal PRCD-S between supply and your tools/distribution. What it does especially, is that it won't stay on if there is anything wrong with the circuit you want to use. If the circuit checks out OK, it will provide additional safety like any RCCB/RCD.





So if you don't have a distribution with built in PRCD (which is then mostly as big/bulky as a systainer, maybe even more - and which abides by all rules/regulations) you will most definitely have at least one additional power strip with PRCD built in.

Since I take safety pretty seriously even though I don't do any commercial work, I have one of these and it fits perfectly into the SYS-PH together with the other power strip.



The SYS-PH is the first Systainer to go on my SYS-Cart - on top of it is my CTL-SYS.





This gives me options:

Plug CTL-SYS in SYS-PH and tool in CTL-SYS's socket

Plug CTL-SYS and tool in SYS-PH (Like pictured above, because I switched on and off manually)

Plug CTL-SYS and tool(s) in SYS-PH and one tool in CTL-SYS's socket.

In anyway, in essence you have only one cord running to your stack and everything packs up nicely and is easily moved - you can always just sling the cord around the stack an move within a minute from one place to the next.

I loved this when I had to put my stack on the patio's roof for example.

You might have no need for any of this, that's fine. But others might. ;)

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Kind regards,
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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2018, 01:10 PM »
Is it because it fits into the whole systainer eco-system, looks cool?

Bingo! [big grin]
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Re: 120V Sys Power Box
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2018, 01:15 PM »
Greg;

Is there a receptacle / outlet on the inside? Or does that serve a special purpose?

Seth

@SRSemenza The receptacle on the inside is the same as the ones on the front. Nothing special.
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