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Offline JCookie

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Abrasive systainer
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:12 AM »
I want to store my 150 abrasives for easy selection, instead of a jumble in the box with the Rotex.
There seem to be two available but I've not been able to clarify the difference.
The very nice lady at Festool UK actually went to find one so she could tell me the difference, but they only had the SYS-STF D150 4S.
There is also a SYS-STF D150, I wondered if anyone knows the difference or has one and could post a picture?
I also use the Rotex 125, would I get both sizes of Abrasive in one systainer.
Also roughly how many abrasives fit in a systainer.

Thanks John

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 08:46 AM »
As far as I can see the SYS-STF D150 4S (497821) is just an empty Sys3 systainer with the insert needed for 150 mm sheets. There is no mention of the number of compartments but it does say it is suitable for 4 grades of paper - perhaps that means it has just 4 sections.

The SYS-STF D150 (497690) is, again, an empty Sys3 systainer with 10 compartments.

I know that in some places the dealers will populate these systainers with a selection of sheets - Lee Valley have something like that on their web site. I suppose that might be something done by Festool US or CA.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 09:03 AM »
As far as I can see the SYS-STF D150 4S (497821) is just an empty Sys3 systainer with the insert needed for 150 mm sheets. There is no mention of the number of compartments but it does say it is suitable for 4 grades of paper - perhaps that means it has just 4 sections.

The SYS-STF D150 (497690) is, again, an empty Sys3 systainer with 10 compartments.

I know that in some places the dealers will populate these systainers with a selection of sheets - Lee Valley have something like that on their web site. I suppose that might be something done by Festool US or CA.

Peter

Yes thanks Peter, I've Tried looking at the pictures in the catalog and web site but it's not too clear, and the description is similar apart from the 4S which seems to make grade selection a bit easier.
Just wondered if someone might be able to post a picture if they have one.
Might order the 4S and take a chance.

John


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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 09:31 AM »
I recently went to a Festool automotive training day. The 4S systainer is meant for the 4 stage system for sanding putty and primer on car bodies. 4 grits of paper, new on side of the systainer, used on the other side. For woodworking I will go with the other version after I pick up a sander.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 09:51 AM »
If the insert not what i want I can make my own, I suppose. [smile]


Also found this picture of the 4S

« Last Edit: August 29, 2014, 09:55 AM by Woodchippie »

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 11:00 AM »
Part number for the regular 150Sys insert is 700830 (T-Loc) version.


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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 12:52 PM »
The insert for 125mm disks holds five different sizes.  If you need it, I can post a photo.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 01:24 PM »
I use the 125mm discs and in order to not need 2 systainers I bought a syst III from Lee Valley and stack the inserts.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 11:14 PM »
I want to store my 150 abrasives for easy selection, instead of a jumble in the box with the Rotex.
There seem to be two available but I've not been able to clarify the difference.
The very nice lady at Festool UK actually went to find one so she could tell me the difference, but they only had the SYS-STF D150 4S.
There is also a SYS-STF D150, I wondered if anyone knows the difference or has one and could post a picture?
I also use the Rotex 125, would I get both sizes of Abrasive in one systainer.
Also roughly how many abrasives fit in a systainer.

Thanks John

  To get both into one using Festool inserts you will need a Systainer IV, and stack the two inserts. One for 150 and one for 125.  To use a Sys - III and get both in one systainer you will need to make your own dividers.

Seth

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2014, 12:46 AM »
I use a SYS-STF-D150 with dividers, that I made, too keep my sandpaper organized.  You could organize multiple sizes of sandpaper in the same Systainer using this technique by including size in addition to grit on the divider labels.  Here is a link to my previous post where I included pictures.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/systainer-sandpaper-organizers/msg304691/#msg304691

Hope this helps

Jay

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2014, 02:36 PM »
It arrived today the SYS-STF D150 4S.
It has plenty of space for Abrasives, might have to adjust the pre done grit indicators.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 01:00 PM »
I like the look of that Systainer for Abrasives, in my future....
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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 01:09 PM »
I have this systainer/insert and each cut-away fits 50 papers each. I filled all but one with varying grits and then left the last one for "used/in-use" papers. You could fill them all and just let the "in-use" ones float around or lay on the edges. Very handy for sure.
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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2014, 05:47 PM »
The 4S one has a insert labeled with grid numbers, as you found out already. The other one doesn't 'feature' that labeling.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2014, 11:22 PM »
Look nice, but another product NAINA...
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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2014, 01:47 PM »


I ditched the plastic insert. They did not hold the disk upright and they would curl over. I like the Tanos dividers better. They are adjustable.
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Offline Pnw painter

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2014, 07:49 PM »
GPowers, do you have any idea which Tanos dividers you're using? I'd like to used dividers such as that to hold all the abrasives for my RO90 and ETS125 in one systainer.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2014, 08:05 PM »
GPowers should response soon, but I think they are included in some of Sortainers as drawer dividers.

GPowers, do you have any idea which Tanos dividers you're using? I'd like to used dividers such as that to hold all the abrasives for my RO90 and ETS125 in one systainer.
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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2014, 09:16 PM »
A search on Goggle led me to MySystainer.com, and a brief look at the website shows quite a few nifty systainer accessories.

They have dividers that look similar to Gpowers photo.  They also have lockable T-Locs that may keep children from accessing the systainer.  No affiliation, blah blah blah......
« Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 09:18 PM by Baremeg55 »

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2014, 09:30 PM »
Look nice, but another product NAINA...

Why on earth would they not import that?  I don't think they have to wait for Underwriters Approval!  I was about to call Tom to buy one of these until I read the NAINA [mad]

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2014, 10:31 PM »
I'm not GPowers, but if you are looking for the dividers he used, I believe they are the Tanos and they are sold by Woodcraft.  There are two sizes - 70mm and 120mm high.  I think he is using the 120mm high ones.

Also, here is a previous post from Greg on the dividers.

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« Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 10:38 PM by mike_aa »

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2014, 11:24 PM »
The sortainer drawer dividers are not the same ones.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2014, 01:16 PM »
Found the dividers at Woodcraft

For Sys III ---  158050 High Dividers  for the 150mm discs

For Sys II ---- 158048 Low dividers for the 90 mm discs

Both require some end trimming, to fit as the side profile of the systainer, as it goes in and out 
« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 01:19 PM by GPowers »
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Offline Pnw painter

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2014, 03:07 PM »
I'd like to thank everyone for the help and advice! I'll post a pic when I get the dividers and all the abrasives sorted.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2014, 04:50 PM »
Found the dividers at Woodcraft

For Sys III ---  158050 High Dividers  for the 150mm discs

For Sys II ---- 158048 Low dividers for the 90 mm discs

Both require some end trimming, to fit as the side profile of the systainer, as it goes in and out

In what quantity are those dividers sold in? If I wanted to make 10-12 slots like GPowers did, how many quantity would I need to order?

For the 150mm disks it takes 8 dividers, the ones I bought at Woodcraft were sold individually.

For the 90mm disks it takes 8 dividers also.
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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2015, 10:55 AM »
I was a bit disappointed with the insert from the SYS-STF D150.  Aside from the fact that the insert doesn't come up high enough to support the abrasives properly, you can't adjust the dividers to accomodate the varying number of sheets of your abrasives as they change over time.  Plus, I wanted larger compartments for the grits I use most frequnetly (150, 180, 220). I wound up making my own insert with fully adjustable dividers, it works for me...
« Last Edit: October 08, 2015, 10:58 AM by Steve-Rice »

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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2015, 12:07 PM »
That's very nice, but what's with all the Abranet? [poke]
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Re: Abrasive systainer
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2015, 01:20 PM »
My most humble of apologies to the Festool universe, but I got "hooked" (no pun intended) on Abranet a few years ago and it works great on my new ETC EC 150/3 - I just had to use a hole punch to modify a Mirka 150mm pad protector to correspond to the Festool 17 hole configuration. The dust collection is excellent and the ETS EC 150/3 just glides over the wood surface even with my new CT 26 turned up to MAX suction. I am extremely pleased with the results.  I must confess however, that I've never used any Festool abrasives, so I honestly cannot compare the two.

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Re: Abrasive systainer
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