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Offline mikeneron

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Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« on: June 27, 2012, 10:54 PM »
-Cut a piece of 1/4" hardboard to fit in the systainer.  I didn't worry about the irregular shape and just cut it rectangular to make things simple.
-Lay out items on hardboard the way you want.
-Trace around all items.  I found you want to keep the line fairly tight to the item as you want the items to fit snug in the foam.
-Use a forstner bit (I used a drill press) to make some holes on the hardboard for finger notches and also as a place to start your jigsaw cuts.
-Use a jigsaw and cut out the tracings on the hardboard.
-Use double-sided tape and attach the hardboard template to a piece of foam.  I like to use a decent sized piece of foam to make working with the router more stable and safe.  I also mark the foam at the edges of the hardboard template so I can cut it later.
-Use a router with a template bit and start removing foam.
-Cut the foam on the markings you made earlier.
-Place foam in systainer and then place items in their appropriate spots.  I also just put the hardboard template underneath in case I ever needed to use it again.

The smallest router template bit I could find was 1/2" in diameter so would have been nice if there is a smaller diameter bit for some of the smaller items.  Also the cutting depth of the bit was 1", so for some of the shallower items, I used some 1/2" pieces of MDF along with more double-sided tape to prop up the hardboard to make shallower passes with the router.  Another piece of 1/2" foam would have probably worked better for this though.

Would be pretty cool to see what a CNC router could do though  [big grin]

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 10:58 PM by mikeneron »

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 12:41 AM »
Hey thats' pretty slick !     What sort of time is involved for making them?  Any trouble withthe foam chipping , fracturing or burning while routing?


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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 12:51 AM »
I guess time depends on the person.  I for one am very methodical so you guys can probably have them done in half the time  [wink]

The foam routed very nicely.  I used a slower speed on the router, but I think it will depend more on the type of foam you are using.  I am using Owens Corning Foamular Rigid Foam Insulation as I have a bunch of leftover pieces from insulating my basement.  It's not exactly cheap, but I think your mileage will vary with the cheaper brands of foam.

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 10:33 AM »
Are those PicQuic drivers I see, Mike?

If so, how do you like them?


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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 08:38 PM »
They are PicQuic actually.  I think I won them at a social at one time so I didn't know what you meant at first.  Had to Google it  ;)

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 01:31 AM »
Ive heard that coating foam with a truck bed liner/undercoating type of spray can be a good idea as it creates a protective coating. Ive also heard that wrapping a tool in plastic food wrap then spray foaming the box can create a custom tool holder.

Hey SRSemenza let us know how it goes  [big grin] there's gotta be one sys that you havent totally tricked out.

Offline jbasen

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2018, 07:03 PM »
I was just about to post a question about this when I stumbled on this old thread.  I have big Milwaukee fixed speed drill that I need a storage solution for.  Given its size it needs some good support inside a sys 3 or 4 or I'm worried it might break the systainer.  I could use a bunch of layers of Kaizen foam or pick foam but, like @Dogwood I had the idea of wrapping the drill in plastic wrap and filling the systainer with spray foam.

Has anyone ever tried this before?  Any hints/tricks would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the help!

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2018, 07:22 PM »
Here is my Systainer for a large  Milwaukee drill. And another for a Sawzall.

  The drill Sys has Tanos dividers and foam in select spots to fill space and immobilize the drill.

  The Sawzall has home made dividers.

                      




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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2018, 09:54 PM »
Really nice job @SRSemenza !!

How did you attach the dividers to the sides of the Systainer?  Are they glued in place so they can't shift? 

Thanks!

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2018, 11:27 PM »
I saw mention of a couple of things above.  The first was what could be done with a CNC, and the second was how would using vehicle underbody coating work out.  Well I tried just that earlier this year for a drawer organizer.  I traced the Tormek accessories onto paper and then took a picture with a ruler in the frame.  Brought that into Fusion 360 (a CAD program) and calibrated to the ruler then traced the accessories.  I then created a 3D model and carved it on my X-Carve CNC out of MDF.  I then sprayed it a couple of times with vehicle underbody coating.

The result looks good though the underbody coating isn't puffy like I was hoping for.  I think the result looks like Batman's sock drawer.  I haven't done anything similar for a systainer yet.

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 12:19 AM »
Really nice job @SRSemenza !!

How did you attach the dividers to the sides of the Systainer?  Are they glued in place so they can't shift? 

Thanks!

Yes, glued in place with super glue.

Seth

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 12:38 AM »
Personally, I think the underbody coating looks great!! [thumbs up]

Unfortunately I don't have the resources or experience with CAD programs to duplicate your efforts. 

My drill barely fits in a sys 3.  From the Chuck to the rear D handle of the drill it can fit lengthwise in the Systainer but the handle is so long it will only fit with the drill in the front of the Systainer and the handle canted to the back top edge. There is also a long pipe handle that unscrews from the drill.  When attached it forms a T with the handle. All in all it is an awkward fit.  Hence my idea for using spray foam to create a tight fit given the awkward angles

Again nice job

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2018, 12:48 AM »
Really nice job @SRSemenza !!

How did you attach the dividers to the sides of the Systainer?  Are they glued in place so they can't shift? 

Thanks!

Yes, glued in place with super glue.

Seth

Thanks Seth

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2018, 08:14 AM »
Personally, I think the underbody coating looks great!! [thumbs up]

Unfortunately I don't have the resources or experience with CAD programs to duplicate your efforts. 

My drill barely fits in a sys 3.  From the Chuck to the rear D handle of the drill it can fit lengthwise in the Systainer but the handle is so long it will only fit with the drill in the front of the Systainer and the handle canted to the back top edge. There is also a long pipe handle that unscrews from the drill.  When attached it forms a T with the handle. All in all it is an awkward fit.  Hence my idea for using spray foam to create a tight fit given the awkward angles

Again nice job

Get a Sys Midi.

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2018, 09:59 AM »
Which drill model is it?


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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2018, 10:09 AM »
The drill is a Milwaukee 1660-6.  I use it for cutting tenons on hickory logs for rustic hickory furniture.  Here are some pictures of the drill and what it is like to try and stuff into a Sys 3.

Thanks




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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2018, 10:16 AM »
Hmmmm, yeah.......................

  I too would suggest a Midi- Sys. But the extra space won't really help with the multi-directional angling problem. How about going to a Sys-IV and placing the drill vertically with a divider set up like a large slot for the drill. Use the added space for more accessories or a second tool?

Seth


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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2018, 10:54 AM »
Now you see my pain [smile]

I have this empty sys 3 laying around so I've been trying to make use of it.  Also a sys 4 is just so darn big.  The weird angles are what drove me to think of a way to use spray foam and my original question to see if anyone else has tried it

Next week I'm going to make a trip to "the big city" where I can wander into different big box stores. I may just take the drill with me and see if it fits into a competitive box from DeWalt, Ridgid, etc.  I don't need to stack it with other Systainers, I just need a decent storage solution as Milwaukee didn't supply anything with the drill; not even a holder so you don't lose the chuck key.

Thanks again for your help


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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2018, 12:28 PM »
FWIW...I believe Milwaukee offered a steel case as an accessory for this drill, it may still be available from Milwaukee. The number would be in the form of, 48-55-xxxx.
The reason I know is because I own an 1854 model and while trying to locate a case for the 1854, I stumbled upon a case for the 1660. The steel cases are real nice and allow extra room inside for accessories. They may rust and dent but they'll never crack. [big grin]

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2018, 12:50 PM »
Thanks!!  I'll take a look

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2018, 12:46 PM »
These are my inserts :)



« Last Edit: September 30, 2018, 05:34 AM by fyme »

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2018, 10:03 PM »
Very nice!

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2018, 10:12 PM »
Minor mistake on my part.  The picture I took of the drill in a systainer was actually a Sys 4; not a Sys 3.  I would have to move up to a Sys 5 [eek]

I tried finding a Milwaukee metal case as suggested by @Cheese but couldn't find one either doing google searches or through the Milwaukee web site. 

I'm going to look around for an alternative at the big box stores.  As suggested by several people, a sys-midi would probably work, though it would still require the drill to be inserted at an angle, and it is $99.  At least that gives me a basis for comparison.  Given how heavy the drill is I'm a little concerned about cracking the ABS unless I am very careful about how I pad the drill within the Systainer.  Thanks all for your help and suggestions.

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2018, 11:46 PM »

I tried finding a Milwaukee metal case as suggested by @Cheese but couldn't find one either doing google searches or through the Milwaukee web site. 

Bummer, that’s unfortunate... the steel cases were the bees knees for all of the Milwaukee gear. All of my Milwaukee gear is housed in steel cases except for the 8 1/4” metal saw and the magnetic drill. Those are both in blow molded cases and those cases suck, big time.
Big space outside...little space inside. Whoever came up with blow molded cases as a storage solution for relatively small tools should be spanked.
Blow molded cases are great for shipping but terrible for storage.

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2018, 12:30 AM »
After seeing your drill I don’t think a Midi will fit either

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2018, 09:19 AM »
Hmmmm, yeah.......................

  I too would suggest a Midi- Sys. But the extra space won't really help with the multi-directional angling problem. How about going to a Sys-IV and placing the drill vertically with a divider set up like a large slot for the drill. Use the added space for more accessories or a second tool?

Seth


After seeing your drill I don’t think a Midi will fit either


And now that we know it is pictured in a Sys - IV, a Midi would not be tall enough either since they come in II and III height.

If the cord was detachable it would help a little. Seems like a different type of case is the only way to go beyond a Sys - V.

      OR

You could just buy a new drill !  [tongue]  [big grin]

Seth

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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2018, 09:38 AM »
Thanks.  Interesting to know it won't fit in a Midi.  Sigh

Buying a different drill is not an option.  The Milwaukee does an awesome job cutting tenons in the ends of hickory logs for rustic furniture.  I originally tried doing that with my PDC.  It could struggle through cutting, for example, a 5/8" diameter tenon on a 1" log but when it came to cutting a 2" tenon on a 3" log it just couldn't handle the job.  Just not enough torque and the massive handles on the Milwaukee also let you control the drill much better.  A specialized tool for a unique job.

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2018, 10:04 AM »
New Project  [smile]





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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2018, 10:33 AM »
Great job making use of that lid space ! ^ ^

Seth

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2018, 11:02 AM »
I've tried posting this pic multiple times but the FOG keeps throwing a 500 error and rejecting the post  [huh]  Giving it one more try.

I wanted to followup on my post with the solution I found.  I did a tour of the various big box hardware stores without finding a tool case that would work for me.  As a last resort I headed to HF.  What I found there surprised me.  HF is now selling a knock-off version of a Pelican case.  The case I found is built like a tank, complete with a seal, and filled with layers of pick-foam.  Unlike many other HF products, even the labels peeled off the case without leaving gluey residue. 

So, for under $50 (with the usual 20% off coupon) I found a nice solution to my problem. [thumbs up]  Here is a photo.

Thanks to everyone for your help

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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2018, 03:49 PM »
I've tried posting this pic multiple times but the FOG keeps throwing a 500 error and rejecting the post  [huh]  Giving it one more try.

I wanted to followup on my post with the solution I found.  I did a tour of the various big box hardware stores without finding a tool case that would work for me.  As a last resort I headed to HF.  What I found there surprised me.  HF is now selling a knock-off version of a Pelican case.  The case I found is built like a tank, complete with a seal, and filled with layers of pick-foam.  Unlike many other HF products, even the labels peeled off the case without leaving gluey residue. 

So, for under $50 (with the usual 20% off coupon) I found a nice solution to my problem. [thumbs up]  Here is a photo.

Thanks to everyone for your help

I know you mentioned a different drill was not an option, but have you ever looked at the Milwaukee 1680-20?  For what you described, it might work really well. I’ve one of those and it’s cordless counterpart. I much prefer them when in a high torque drilling situation.
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Re: Custom Foam Inserts for Systainers
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2018, 07:29 PM »
Thanks for the suggestion.  I expect the 1680-20 has enough torque but there are other aspects of the 1660-6 that make it ideal for cutting tenons in hickory logs.  First the handle design, with the auxiliary handle attached, forms a big T that makes the drill easier to control.  Second the 1660-6 is a fixed speed drill (450 RPM) that also makes it easier control and allows you to cut a smoother tenon.

Thanks