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Offline Magpal

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Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« on: September 22, 2016, 01:43 PM »
Hi all,

I recently made the decision to switch all my Bosch tools from L-boxx to Systainers. The best thing would be to buy an original Bosch systainer, but these are not easily available. So the plan was to buy configurable Tanos systainers in blue, with black handle and red latch. In order to get a more original look i had the idea of 3D printing the Bosch logo, instead of just using a regular sticker. This would make the logo protrude 1mm and appear more like an original case.

In theory all this went really well - until the systainer arrived in "heaven blue" instead of "Sapphire blue"... Since the freight is really expensive i therefore had to find a way to use the heaven blue systainer. I found someone here at the FOG that had made a "weller soldering" systainer with this color, and figured that i could put all my weller soldering tools in this systainer.

So i ordered a 3D print of the weller logo using Shapeways. They use laser sintering, so the finish of the logo was really good. I did however notice that the top side of the letters has really sharp edges, while the bottom side has slightly more rounded corners. Probably due to some polish process or something. The sharp edges on the top side makes the logo appear somewhat "unnatural" when attached to the case. This is really not a big deal, but i think it would look slightly better with the rounded corners on the top side.

I am currently using double sided tape as adhesive, since this was the only practical solution. I was thinking of making plastic studs on the letters and drilling holes in the systainer, but then i would need pretty high precision on the drilling. I could 3D print a template for the drilling as well, but then the cost gets higher. Anyway, i hope the double sided tape will stick, but i do not think this is "rock solid". Any ideas on how to best attach the logo is much appreciated!





All together i think the result came out pretty good, and the Systainer has a more original look this way. I will order a new systainer in "Sapphire blue" and try the same thing for my Bosch angle grinder. If you have any good ideas regarding the fixing, please let me know!
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 01:46 PM by Magpal »

Offline Svar

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 01:59 PM »
Anyway, i hope the double sided tape will stick, but i do not think this is "rock solid". Any ideas on how to best attach the logo is much appreciated!

Just glue it? Solvent based adhesive would be the best, but one mistake could mess up the surface around. Or do you want it to be removable?
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 03:03 PM by Svar »

Offline #Tee

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 03:01 PM »
very cool! i would just use some epoxy and be done with it :)
When youre feeling depressed just treat yourself to a systainer even if its a mini systainer its ok.

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Offline Magpal

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 05:28 PM »
Anyway, i hope the double sided tape will stick, but i do not think this is "rock solid". Any ideas on how to best attach the logo is much appreciated!

Just glue it? Solvent based adhesive would be the best, but one mistake could mess up the surface around. Or do you want it to be removable?

Yes, that was my initial thought as well. My main concern with glue is that i would make a mess when applying it. I did not come up with a good way of applying it without doing so. If any glue is spilled i guess it will be very hard to remove without messing up the surface, as you also point out.

Since the letters are under very little stress, i could probably get away with just a few drops, reducing the risk. What kind of epoxy/glue would you recommend?

Offline Svar

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 05:46 PM »

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 08:15 PM »
Use super glue. Easy to control the amount.

Very nice, BTW.

Seth

Offline Cheese

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 11:50 PM »
  I'd place the letters right side up, in the position that you want and then slather them with masking tape. Once secured to the masking tape, I'd flip the assembly upside down and put 2-3 small drops of cyanoacrylate on every letter, position the name and press in-place.

Offline Magpal

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 03:32 PM »
  I'd place the letters right side up, in the position that you want and then slather them with masking tape. Once secured to the masking tape, I'd flip the assembly upside down and put 2-3 small drops of cyanoacrylate on every letter, position the name and press in-place.

Yes, that was very similar to what i did when i attached the letters. I printed a 1:1 sheet with the Weller logo mirrored and then put two thin stripes of double sided tape on the sheet. I then attached the letters on top of the printed logo and placed the letters on the systainer where i wanted them. I then taped the edge of the sheet to the systainer so that i could "hinge" the letters upside down to remove the lining.

I think i will try the same thing and just use glue on the next Systainer. Thanks for the tips!

Offline chin_monster

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2016, 11:11 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/3M-08069-Press-Place-Adhesive/dp/B000PEWDJW

were I feeling extra special anal and wanted the best 2X tape solution

Offline Magpal

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2016, 02:21 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/3M-08069-Press-Place-Adhesive/dp/B000PEWDJW

were I feeling extra special anal and wanted the best 2X tape solution

Great, thanks for the tip! That seems like an easy solution.

Offline fritter63

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 02:49 PM »
That laser sintered nylon from shape ways has a similar porosity to wood, so any glue that will work with wood will work on it.

As an experiment, I glued wood veneer to it with PVA glue and it was a great joint.

Offline Magpal

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 06:41 AM »
I finally got around to make a Bosch T-loc with 3D printed logo. The sapphire blue color was actually closer to the Bosch color than first anticipated.

This time I used the "3M press in place adhesive" suggested by "chin_monster" and that was a huge upgrade from the double sided tape! The assembly took about 15 minutes this time.




Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 10:49 AM »
Nice Bosch Systainer!
I just found a couple of the Metabo T-Locs in an online shop in Germany and ordered Sys2, Sys3 & Sys4.

Bis this is a totally new approach. [emoji41]
@Magpal, since you are in Norway, I suppose you ship continental Europe when you enter series production?! ;)

Offline fritter63

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 11:24 AM »
I finally got around to make a Bosch T-loc with 3D printed logo. The sapphire blue color was actually closer to the Bosch color than first anticipated.

This time I used the "3M press in place adhesive" suggested by "chin_monster" and that was a huge upgrade from the double sided tape! The assembly took about 15 minutes this time.

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Nice! But wouldn't it have been better to replace that with a Festool instead? [emoji41]

Which printer do you use?

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 05:04 PM »
Pretty cool!
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Offline Magpal

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2017, 10:27 AM »
@Magpal, since you are in Norway, I suppose you ship continental Europe when you enter series production?! ;)

Off course - when I am entering series production [wink] These are, however, really easy to make yourself with no required tools. I ordered the 3D print from shapeways and the adhesives on ebay. The rest is just patience and finding a good way of putting the logo on the case. If you are thinking about making a case for yourself, I could provide you with the 3D-files.


Nice! But wouldn't it have been better to replace that with a Festool instead? [emoji41]

Which printer do you use?

Good point! And yes, but for my angle grinder I do not necessarily need the quality and price range of the Festool equivalent.

The logo is printed at shapeways. They use laser sintering, so the quality is really good. Way better than PLA/ABS printers.

Offline fritter63

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 08:47 PM »
@Magpal, since you are in Norway, I suppose you ship continental Europe when you enter series production?! ;)

Off course - when I am entering series production [wink] These are, however, really easy to make yourself with no required tools. I ordered the 3D print from shapeways and the adhesives on ebay. The rest is just patience and finding a good way of putting the logo on the case. If you are thinking about making a case for yourself, I could provide you with the 3D-files.


Nice! But wouldn't it have been better to replace that with a Festool instead? [emoji41]

Which printer do you use?

Good point! And yes, but for my angle grinder I do not necessarily need the quality and price range of the Festool equivalent.

The logo is printed at shapeways. They use laser sintering, so the quality is really good. Way better than PLA/ABS printers.

Ha, my Bosch grinder is in a systainer too.

Yeah, I use shapeways too. I'm thinking about using it for interior guitar parts (blocking). It has the same porosity as wood and you can PVA glue it to wood.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2017, 12:48 PM »
So who's going to make a DeWalt one now? ;)


Kinda like the Mirka (or reverse the colors):


« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 12:50 PM by ben_r_ »
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Offline live4ever

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2017, 01:05 PM »
So who's going to make a DeWalt one now? ;)


Kinda like the Mirka (or reverse the colors):




Lee Valley even sells the gold on black systainers.  In all seriousness, I want to put my Dewalt trim router into a systainer, but I haven't gotten to the point of being concerned with the branding of the systainer.  Almost there.
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2017, 01:11 PM »
So who's going to make a DeWalt one now? ;)


Kinda like the Mirka (or reverse the colors):




Lee Valley even sells the gold on black systainers.  In all seriousness, I want to put my Dewalt trim router into a systainer, but I haven't gotten to the point of being concerned with the branding of the systainer.  Almost there.
And by the time you get to that level of concern, the green sickness will have lead you to sell that DeWalt trim router and replace it with an OF 1010! lol
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Offline Billy stray

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2017, 09:12 PM »
Nice job !
Billy

Offline Nat X

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2017, 09:20 PM »
3D printing and laser cutting are two completely different processes, and this is likely to get Shapeways a cease and desist order if it gets much publicity, so I'd keep it under wraps if you want to keep doing it.

Offline jimbo51

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2017, 06:37 AM »
Laser sintering not laser cutting. Laser sintering is a  3D process. One could avoid trademark issues by using a different font perhaps

Offline antss

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2017, 08:49 AM »
I agree with Nat on the optics of this.

However , I also view cutting individual letters to send to a customer not in violation. That font is available to anyone.

I can get black letters in a pack at the home centers and make my own "Dewalt" or  "Hitachi" nameplate. 

If Magpal or the sintering co. started making kits to sell - then there's an issue.

Offline jdw101

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Re: Custom systainer with 3D printed logo
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 09:15 PM »
So who's going to make a DeWalt one now? ;)


Kinda like the Mirka (or reverse the colors):




Lee Valley even sells the gold on black systainers.  In all seriousness, I want to put my Dewalt trim router into a systainer, but I haven't gotten to the point of being concerned with the branding of the systainer.  Almost there.

I don't feel so bad now, I just put my dp611 and all it's accessories in a sys 2 that I ordered for something else.  It says festool on the outside though.. for some reason that bothers me.  I think we have the same disease about needing it to be yellow with the logo hhaha.