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Offline Ollie

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Hand tool insert.
« on: February 26, 2014, 06:32 PM »
Hi fellow Festool owners.

I have been thinking about making a version of the hand tool insert for a Systainer for a while. To house my rough site tools.
Decided to go for a sys 5 to enable me to get my hammer and larger chisels in.
I thought about buying the Festool one but I could tell it was not going to be right and would need adjustment.

As I found some inspiration on this forum I thought I would post some pictures of my attempt to perhaps help someone else.


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I made a plywood base that fitted snuggly inside the base and then made the chisel holder bit and the screwdriver rack bit.

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Then worked out how to fit the rest in.

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It was a slow process with a lot of head scratching.

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I found I could fit quite a lot in.

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Now I have made this one, I think I could re-make it with less separate bits of plywood but it was a sort of thinking out loud process.

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It turned out quite heavy so I turned a solid oak handle to make sure it was up to the job. (only my second decent turning, other was rolling pin !! the lathe scares me much more than my spindle moulder )

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I am making another for my MFT accessories and one more for demolition/ really rough kit.

I hope these pictures are useful to someone.

Thanks

Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 06:35 PM »
Nice job. Well organized.
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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 06:45 PM »
Hi Ollie,

     Welcome to the forum  [smile] !

 Very nice. That's a slick way to fit the hammer.  [thumbs up]

Seth

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 08:35 PM »
Very nicely executed!!!  Just out of curiosity, what do you use the scales for? 

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 08:38 PM »
Hi Ollie,

     Welcome to the forum  [smile] !

 Very nice. That's a slick way to fit the hammer.  [thumbs up]

Seth

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 09:08 PM »
Seth beat me to it - welcome to the FOG and love it.  I have been wanting to build something similar for quite a while.  Maybe now ith your inspiration.

Loved to see you Estwing hammer in the images.  It caught my eye and after doing some surfing I now know that there is an English pattern - whatever that means.

Here are two images.  The first is the UK version, the second is a US version.  Interesting to me.

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 10:18 PM »
Too funny. I got an email from a mate this morning saying that there was a good deal on amazon for an Eastwing. I ordered one earlier this morning an E20S. Great deal at under $30 bucks!
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2014, 01:48 AM »
Seth beat me to it - welcome to the FOG and love it.  I have been wanting to build something similar for quite a while.  Maybe now ith your inspiration.

Loved to see you Estwing hammer in the images.  It caught my eye and after doing some surfing I now know that there is an English pattern - whatever that means.

Here are two images.  The first is the UK version, the second is a US version.  Interesting to me.

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Peter

That's weird as the second one looks more like an English style claw hammer. We don't tend to see many like the first shot here. It's the head shape. Mine is the blue vinyl grip I would never have a leather handled one.

Offline Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2014, 03:32 PM »
Hi everyone

Thanks for the nice comments.

I had no idea there was another pattern of head on those Estwing hammers. Oddly I have a Stanley hammer with a head more similar to the American pattern in your picture.

As for the scales. I restore sliding sash windows often upgrading them to double glazing in the original sashes (or I make replicas) . Anyway that is why I need the scales, to balance the sashes with lead weights.

I will post some pictures of my other Festool boxes once I have had time to do them.

Cheers.

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2014, 04:05 PM »
Re hammer head design

Design of head depends on its weight, i think mine is well over 20oz and has the design of the upper image.
Some of my mates have the lower design and are much lighter

Offline andyman

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2014, 04:58 PM »
The top one used to be classed as a framing hammer going back a long time ago

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2014, 04:59 PM »
As for the scales. I restore sliding sash windows often upgrading them to double glazing in the original sashes (or I make replicas) . Anyway that is why I need the scales, to balance the sashes with lead weights.


That makes sense.  Thanks for the fill-in. 

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 03:05 PM »
Wow, I love it. I just might need to borrow an idea or two from this.  Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2014, 10:50 AM »
Personally, I'm kinda disappointed you didn't find a way to fit a few more tools in there.  [poke]
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Offline Colonel Panic

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 04:40 PM »
Did you happen to make a Sketchup drawing that you could share?
What, me worry?

Offline Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 05:31 PM »
Hi

Colonel panic, I almost did do a sketchup model but I realised I would have to do a sketchup model for every tool as well !!  which I would do if I had infinite time.
In the end I found it better to just go analogue. I just measured the base between the lumpy bits in the systainer and then cut a bit of ply to fit. Then started building it up from the base around the tools.

Ollie

Offline Brentley

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2014, 10:56 AM »
you are getting there.

here is to what you should aspire.

Do you think we could get this in a systainer?


http://www.taunton.com/regcontent/finewoodworking/Studley_1280x1024.jpg


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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2014, 03:38 AM »
First, welcome! Second, very nice job of fitting all of that in there.


Did you use a Domino to make the chisel slots?
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Offline AlfaItalia

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2014, 05:25 PM »
Nice job.   How much does the Systainer weigh when full?

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2014, 04:07 PM »
Cool

I know what you went through .mine took me about a year of tinkering (pictures are on this same page)trying to decide what to put in it as well ...wish I had made some templates as a lot of people have asked me to make them one

Does anyone use the festool one didn't look right for my tools

Offline epicxt

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2014, 04:56 PM »
Yeah, I use the Festool one but it is far from ideal for my needs. Haven't got around to making my own. Right now I just keep a bunch of finish carpentry stuff in it. It's *ahem* somewhat organized but I need to work out a better way soon.
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Offline VW MICK

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2014, 05:08 PM »
this is my version

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2014, 05:13 PM »
just a couple more pics (sorry but ive now learnt to attach pictures)

Offline Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2014, 05:45 PM »
Nice job on your insert VW Mick. Yours looks a bit more pro than mine. (maybe its the green colour) .

Just weighed it 38 kilos (83lbs) not bad. much lighter than my old toolbox.

Ollie

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2014, 05:58 PM »
cool thanks ...il weigh mine think its really heavy there is loads of stuff in it

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2014, 06:29 PM »
just a couple more pics (sorry but ive now learnt to attach pictures)

Great to see the Estwing WF21LM in there, Mick. I use the same hammer and love it!

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Offline Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2014, 03:03 PM »
Is that one of the `weight forward` type hammers.

My mate had one and I tried it quite a few times, never could get the hang of it for some reason. He used to love it though.

Ollie

Offline VW MICK

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2014, 03:57 PM »
This is the hammer ...I really like it had one a long time most guys I know can't get on with it

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2014, 12:35 AM »
100%!!! Great job! I am in the middle of doing something like this. Great spin on Festools tool dealio.



I hope these pictures are useful to someone.

Thanks

Ollie
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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2015, 01:29 PM »
About to embark on doing my own version, I think though I'll probably divide things over a couple of systainers combined with a sortainer Sys 3 sort 4 underneath. the op's weighs in a 83 lbs!
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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2015, 11:42 PM »
Here's mine, kinda in progress.  Been busy using it so I've not made progress in months but I couldn't be more happy with how it keeps the stuff I use all in one place and extremely portable. 










Offline MGB

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2015, 12:58 AM »
You guys inspired me to take a stab at a hand tool systainer, and I hate you for it. hah







Took a couple attempts and quite a bit of time. But she's full alright.

Offline JUDOKA

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2015, 04:36 PM »
Nice tool holder SCORPION.
How do you keep your tools so clean  [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]?

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2015, 10:48 PM »

Nice tool holder SCORPION.
How do you keep your tools so clean  [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]?

Thanks!  Been using it a lot lately and am really enjoying having the tools right there with me on a project. 

They look cleaner in the picture than they really are.  I suppose it helps I try to keep them clean too (and I have cheapie tools I use for abusive stuff).

Offline Chris161190

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2015, 08:11 AM »
Here's mine based around a sys 4
Got everything I need in there and isn't too bad on the Wright probably the same as my ts75 boxed

Contains:
Systainer 4 t-loc
12mm birch ply box
Pb swiss screwdriver set
Axminster mini pliers x3
Axminster chisel set 6,13,19,25
Stanley steel master hammer
Steel rule 150/300mm
Jr hacksaw
10" tenon saw
14" wrecking bar
Rider no4 plane
Rider block plane
Stabila 5m tape measure
Hultafors standard knife
Hultafors chisel knife
150mm combination square
Scissors
Black marker pen
Pencil
Biro
Hand sanitiser gel
9" spirit level
6" adjustable wrench
8" adjustable wrench
Jtech combination pliers
Wenger Swiss Army knife
Stanley knife
Corner chisel chopper
Led lenser p3 torch
Pb swiss rainbow hex key set
Bosch spade drill set
Axminster drill set 1-9mm (0.5mm)
2x 150mm f clamps
Counter sink

Chris
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Offline c_dwyer

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2016, 08:08 PM »
For who have used the T-loc Sys 5's, can you provide the weights loaded? How are they holding up? I noticed from Ollie's post for the classic sys 5 that he used, it's holding 83 lbs (yikes).  I made my own using a classic 5 and it carry's a mere 43 lbs loaded. I like the idea of 4 connection points (two back, two front) rather than 3 (two back, one front), but maybe my paranoia is being misplaced.

I'd like to make 3 more for my sons, but I'm not having any luck coming up with classic 5's and figure the T-locs might have to do it. 

Any advice among those who have hauled heavier stuff in their T-loc 5's?

Offline Chris161190

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2016, 10:47 AM »
I wouldnt be too concerned about the weight they'll take a lot before they go. We've made up a stack of systainer tlocs about 1.5 meters high full of tools and although not practical the handle did not show any signs of giving way whilst lifting the stack to move it around.

Chris

Offline Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2016, 06:20 AM »
Hi everyone


I would just like to say that I am very happy to see so much ingenuity and variety going on with these hand tool inserts.

I have been using mine now for a long time ( since original post ) and have found it the best way to carry tools in and out of houses for different jobs, I normally put my Sys 5 down pull out the insert and set it on top for great tool access.
Since posting mine and seeing all the other versions people have come up with I am considering making a new version, I would change very little of the design as it has proven extremely practical in daily use. I think I would make it from nicer plywood rather than random scraps as the original was a bit experimental really.

Scorpion, is that black stuff on your plywood a rubber sheet or something or phenolic plywood? it looks nice.

I have some ideas for making more of these inserts for other tools too, its just a question of getting some time to have a go at them.

Cheers

Ollie

Offline Scorpion

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Hand tool insert.
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2016, 07:33 AM »

Scorpion, is that black stuff on your plywood a rubber sheet or something or phenolic plywood? it looks nice.

I have some ideas for making more of these inserts for other tools too, its just a question of getting some time to have a go at them.

Cheers

Ollie

It's Formica.  I liked the idea of being able to clean it and the durability it adds.  Stole the concept from a pic I found online.



I too have aspirations to build other inserts when I get time.  Think the first two will be an insert for my oscillating tool and one for organizing my MFT accessories (though I'll likely end up needing multiple Systainers to actually do so).
« Last Edit: January 28, 2016, 09:27 AM by Scorpion »

Offline Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2016, 08:07 AM »
Thanks Scorpion.

I think it lends a professional appearance to the insert, will see what I can find. I was also considering painting it with something robust like truck bed liner.

Glad to see someone else is thinking of new ways to adapt systainers too.

I have been thinking about using strategically placed magnets for smaller or awkward things.

Cheers

Ollie

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2016, 10:58 AM »
I like the collapsible leather handle on the one above from Chris.  [thumbs up]



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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2016, 12:55 PM »

I like the collapsible leather handle on the one above from Chris.  [thumbs up]



Seth

I agree.  The felt or leather liner in the upper tray is a really nice touch too.

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2016, 09:57 PM »
I have been thinking about using strategically placed magnets for smaller or awkward things.

I have used some some rare earth magnets inset into the plywood to keep my metal ruler and combination square exactly in place so that they neither rattle nor interfere with the other tightly packed components.

I also liked wooden pivoting/collapsing handle above as well.

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Re: Hand tool insert.
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2016, 12:15 PM »
Thanks the leather handle is a nice touch I'll admit but it came out of a need rather than aesthetic, it needed to be collapsible and hard wearing and leather seemed the obvious choice.

Also used rare earth magnets to hold rulers etc in position on the side....

Chris