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Offline Sal Bandini

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Makita "Systainers"
« on: March 02, 2017, 01:17 PM »
I see them for very good price. They look just like the Classic Systainers, but with rounded corners. Does anyone have experience with them? I am considering getting some and don't mind that they are not as easy to open as T-Loc, but the price is too good.

Offline live4ever

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Yes, got a bunch when they were last being blown out a few months ago.  They are excellent as long as you don't mind them being...classic.  Identical to FT classic systainers minus the branding.
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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2017, 02:41 PM »
I've seen at least three variations of the classic style Makita "Systainer"...

- Tanos-made - identical except for color
- rounded corners - compatible/stackable but probably not Tanos
- rounded corners, different looking front, not compatible

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=makita+systainer


« Last Edit: March 02, 2017, 03:04 PM by aosty »

Offline live4ever

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2017, 02:55 PM »
I took a closer look at mine after aosty's post and I have the "rounded corners" ones.  They are functionally identical/compatible to the FT systainers but have slight aesthetic and/or construction differences - e.g. ribbing reinforcements inside.  So I shouldn't have said "identical" with respect to mine (which were bought from CPO a few months ago) as it does appear they may not be made by Tanos. 
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Offline Sal Bandini

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 03:54 PM »
It says compatible with SP6000J/J1 system, and Festool Systainer cases.

Even if they aren't compatible, I could join them together if I bought multiple.

Offline sheperd80

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 08:46 PM »
I briefly owned the Makita tracksaw and case. Its a lower quality version of the classic systainer so its compatible with those, and can take t-locs on top of it but not below.

It worked, but it was flimsy and cheap compared to the Tanos boxes.

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Offline VesaS

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 06:49 AM »
I too have Makita track saw systainer, wouldn't say its lower quality or flimsy. Even compared with T-LOCs.
That box has something mentioned in german langue as well.
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Offline Sal Bandini

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 10:58 AM »
Well, it's $34.99 for "Sys-III" size, free shipping, free return, so I think I will buy one and check it out.

Thanks everyone for your input.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 11:32 AM »
Actually the non-rounded corner version (the one I have has red latches) are not Tanos or Systainer branded either, which is probably why they disappeared and then the rounded corner style appeared.  [wink]

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2017, 10:00 PM »
I have quite a few of them. I found prices on Amazon fluctuate, check camelcamelcamel.com to see history, could've saved a few if I ordered two weeks later. I find the latches a bit stiff sometimes but easier with use. T Loc is hard to beat but I couldn't justify buying a systainer to hold misc like sanding disc and peripherals.
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Offline Sazerac819

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2017, 11:40 AM »
Give it a go.  I found my makita systainer which holds the makita tracksaw to be sturdy enough, but it feels of lower quality with more difficulty opening and closing the unit as the lock tabs seem to be tighter for some reason.  This might get better as the tabs wear down.   

I think it's a good option if you are on a budget and it does in fact work with the current festool systainers so still quite stackable.   

Offline Sal Bandini

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2017, 11:46 AM »
I ended up getting one of each size. I found the quality and strength on par with the Tanos. My unscientific quick measurement shows same plastic thickness, and the ribbing is comparable. I agree about the stiffness of the latches. For tools that might not see much use they are a good option for me.

Offline antss

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2017, 12:09 PM »
@SRSemenza - are you sure those weren't made by Tanos?

Tanos claimed in their German catalog around 2008-9 to be a supplier to Makita; among others.  Metabo and Mafell spring to mind.

Offline Sal Bandini

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2017, 12:14 PM »
They are not made in Germany.

Edit: I didn't see that your Germany question was directed at SRSemenza.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 12:17 PM by Sal Bandini »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2017, 03:59 PM »
It could be that some are Tanos or licensed. The one I have and the ones I have seen do not have any such indicators. But I see the pic above shows one that had a licensed by Tanos marking. Looks like a mixed bag.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2017, 08:14 PM »
My makita work seamless with my festool Systainers.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2017, 01:54 AM »
My Makita Systainers have "Licensed by TTS/Tanos" stamped in the plastic. These are the real deal for sure.

As far as any other style if they are not stamped licensed by Tanos I doubt they are. I only have the larger units and they are all stamped. By the way the rounded corners ARE Tanos boxes for sure, all my stamped Makita boxes have the rounded edges and are  stamped TTS/Tanos.

Buy them, in my experience they are just as good as any other non T loc Tanos cases. The Systainers are not that durable anyhow. I own so many, but they are not near the quality of many other cases I have.  I would never use them as a step stool, that's for sure.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 02:07 AM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2017, 03:02 PM »
@Sal Bandini -
I tagged Seth, but am interested in any info relating to the history/evolution of these.

The 2nd pic you added is not of the makita systainer I'm asking about though. At least the part number is not. That's of the later version with the black catches.

I'm asking about the first gen. with the red catches and the squared recesses.

These are the ones I'm referring too:
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 03:06 PM by antss »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2017, 03:22 PM »
I think those were only sold as a special combo pack if I remember. I may be wrong but I thought If the saw was  bought separately it dint come in that case and  it still  had rounded corner and black catches, even at that time.
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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2017, 04:04 PM »
That may have been a promo, but the red latched boxes were definitely available separately in SYS1-4 sizes.

There was certainly a period of time in which both must have been available similtainously - just like when T-loc was introduced.

« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 04:07 PM by antss »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2017, 04:40 PM »
Yeah I do remember those latches being red come to think of it. I actually like the red better than the black. I never have my tools in their cases so I rarely think about it.
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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2017, 06:39 PM »
Here is a pic of the one I have. It has no indicators any where on it including the bottom info that indicate a Tanos connection.  That doesn't mean it doesn't have a connection but ....................................

Actually the bottom does say Made In Germany.




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« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 01:08 AM by SRSemenza »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2017, 10:12 PM »
Got a classic sys1 for a side X side ?

To me , the look like such an exacting copy that I can't imagine tanos not having something to do with it.

and FWIW, Mirka's systainers aren't labeled Tanos .  Mafell's classics had "Mafell" molded into them, but not Tanos or systainer.   I've also seen Fein's systainers molded with and without  "Tanos" on them, but all have "systainer" .  I'm not sure there's rhyme or reason that an authentic systainer is labeled as such.

So, I'm still thinking those early red latched Makitas are real systainers.  The ones Sal orig. asked about - definitely not.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 10:42 PM by antss »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2017, 01:25 AM »
Yes, I have a Classic - I for a side x side. No pic right now but they are the same. And I checked again the Makita does say Made In Germany on the bottom.

I also have a DeWalt Sys- I that is like the Makita.  Says Made In Germany but no Tanos or Systainer.

My Mirka Classic Sys - II Says TanosSystainer on the top front edge.

And my Bosch Classic Sys - II says Systainer on the top front edge. I added an additional label to the front of the Bosch, but top label is original printed on .

Orange BTI says Systra Modul (might not show up in the pic) on the top front edge (Made In Germany on the bottom) The BTI does not have original latches or handle.

Lamello Classic - III that says Tanos Systainer on the top front edge (no pic).











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« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 01:27 AM by SRSemenza »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2017, 08:25 AM »
I would love to see the insides to see how you fit your tools. Do you use kaizen foam, festool inserts, or let them rattle around?
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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2017, 09:43 AM »
Quite a collection.  I've never seen an authentic Dewalt systainer. 

That's got to be very rare.

The mirka t-loc aren't designated on the lids or front.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2017, 10:08 AM »
I would love to see the insides to see how you fit your tools. Do you use kaizen foam, festool inserts, or let them rattle around?

Here are a couple links....................

       Bosch Rotary Hammer in Systainer

       Fein Multimaster in Systainer


     The Makita and DW are not fitted because I don't use them much and just haven't gotten around to it.  The DW has a Dw impact driver, the Makita has an old corded screwgun and Quickdrive attachment. The Lamello is not in use. The Mirka has extension cords stored in it. Lots of future plans in my head. Just can't seem to make them all happen.  [smile]

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2017, 03:08 AM »
Just to clarify.

Tanos definitely made Systainers for Makita (not many made it to the US).
Afterward, Makita definitely started making their own (Possibly licensed, possibly out of patent) and still do to this day (makpak or something or another).  The major difference is that the new ones have those wimpy little handles.  And yes, I believe there have been two iterations of the Makita one.

Round 2:

Tanos will happily scrub their name off and even put your brand name on the mold.
It just depends on how many you're ordering + how much you're willing to spend.

If it's a carbon copy of a Tanos systainer, and you're not buying it from Alibaba or an alley in Chinatown, it probably is a Tanos systainer. 






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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2017, 03:11 AM »
Yes, I have a Classic - I for a side x side. No pic right now but they are the same. And I checked again the Makita does say Made In Germany on the bottom.

I also have a DeWalt Sys- I that is like the Makita.  Says Made In Germany but no Tanos or Systainer.

My Mirka Classic Sys - II Says TanosSystainer on the top front edge.

And my Bosch Classic Sys - II says Systainer on the top front edge. I added an additional label to the front of the Bosch, but top label is original printed on .

Orange BTI says Systra Modul (might not show up in the pic) on the top front edge (Made In Germany on the bottom) The BTI does not have original latches or handle.

Lamello Classic - III that says Tanos Systainer on the top front edge (no pic).


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Offline MikeS

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2017, 11:32 AM »
My introduction to Makita type systainers were via purchasing their track saw (sorry guys).  At the time I had no idea what the containers were all about.  Then through FOG and a need to organise my kit I purchased quiet a few of these label types.  The only minus. its a very small one, is the latching/locking mechanism for connecting them together.  4 latches as opposed to the single one as on Festool.  Other than that they do the same and depending on where you source them from can be much cheaper.  Which do I prefer? It has to be Festool because of the latch mechanism.  I have about 20 systainers in all of mixed brands and I'd be lost without this system.  I cart tools around in my Golf hatchback, keeps me organised and with safe stowage. 

The Makita systainers, house mainly all my Dewalt 18V tools, Makita drill bit set, screws etc.  Festool mainly for Festool tools [big grin] and the MFT (Multi-Function-Top).  The cart is a must if moving many around and both brands fit perfectly well.  The open top and cantilever boxes fit better onto Festool.  Hope this response helps!  [eek]

I have no qualms about recommending this type of systainer. 

Offline Sal Bandini

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2017, 03:28 PM »
You only need to unhook the 2 side latches and then slide the box to the rear. Makes it easier to detach and re-attach.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2017, 06:46 PM »
You only need to unhook the 2 side latches and then slide the box to the rear. Makes it easier to detach and re-attach.

I'm with you, Sal and slide the next box in place on top  I always leave the classic front latches at the highest position no matter whether they are stacked or not..  It makes the front latches easier to open with the tabs sticking up.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2017, 06:07 AM »
If it helps clarify... there has actually been 3 iterations of makita systainer and systainer-a-like boxes.

There have been some Tanos-made Classic Systainers that are pictured on this thread - makita-coloured plastic and red clips - these are exactly like any other Tanos-made classic

Theres a more recent 'Mak Pak' version - these are of Makita's own design but fully compatible with Classic Systainers and behave in exactly the same way as a classic despite being stylistically pretty different. They're not as nice to use as Classics though - the clips are really very stiff in use - slightly less so if you clip them to a real systainer, but two makpaks clipped together need to be pry-ed apart with a screwdriver and you have to slap the clips pretty hard to make them shut. They require so much force to open the clips often actually come off in your hand, although they slot back in again fine. The boxes are pretty durable but I've broken the lid of one (during a couple of years of use) having never broken a classic in nearly 10 years or pretty careless packing and transport. I suppose its some sort of testament to build quality that they've taken as much bash and prying to open and close as they have :-)

 The tabs just don't show any sign of getting more usable with use - I might have to try doing a bit of remodelling with a knife or file.

Theres a rare third variant too. Briefly makita sold tools in what appeared to be a clone of a classic systainer - but with metal buckles in the place of the plastic clips. Despite being styled in a very similar manner to the classic... they were actually a completely different size - about 5 - 10% larger. So... they didn't work with Systainers. Fair enough. What was baffling though is they didn't actually work with each other, despite the clips having the same fuctionality, position and range of movement as systainer ones my two boxes (the equivalent of a sys1 and a Sys4) didn't actually clip together. The smaller box lacked the tabs to allow a box to fit below it but also had a different style of clasp that could attach to the bottom of the larger box.

I got rid of the two of these I had pretty promptly, they just didn't make any sense. The Makpaks I have are going to slowly get replaced too if I can't get the clips to behave better.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2017, 06:15 AM by maccruiskeen »

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2017, 09:09 AM »
@maccruiskeen ,

Thanks for that information!

For hard to operate latches you might want to spray them with Armorall.  That is a tip from the FESTOOL trainers and it has certainly worked for me in many cases.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2017, 03:53 PM »
Out of curiosity I popped the latches off of MakPak and a classic to see if swapping them over would reveal if it was the latch or case it clips to is the cause of the stiffness.... and that revealed the probable cause. Although the two types of case will attach to one another the latches are actually different, the makpak one are a fair bit shorter - neither latch works properly on the other type of case.

So a bit part of the problematic stiffness of the latches seems to be  them being shorter and providing you with less leverage to open them.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2017, 07:37 AM »
 I have not tried Peter's suggestion of Armorall on the few older Festool systainers and newer MAC packs that I have but I can see it doing the trick as it will work in much the same way as a quick spray of Multi Purpose silicon spray on the latches which I can vouch for, transforms that horrible stiff operation into becoming something quite smooth in comparison.

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Re: Makita "Systainers"
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2017, 09:33 AM »
Not specific to Makita systainers but here is another way to make the Classic latches easier to open if you don't want Armorall, silicone or whatever oiling your latches.

http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/festool-tanos-all-things-systainer/2021-systainer-latches-too-tight.html#post25248

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