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Offline Hans Mertens

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Systainer clone
« on: February 15, 2016, 10:38 AM »
I use these company's Eurobox containers to compliment my Systainers, they have the same footprint.  While visiting their website today I stumbled on to a new offering...



More information on their website

Sizing will be the same 300×400mm and 400×600mm footprints as the systainers.

They can't deny where they've gotten the inspiration for these but they seem to make some nice additions.  Quick lock lids for example, just press down and the lid is locked, is what I like most about these. 
No pricing so far and off course these won't be compatible with the Systainers, but it might be an interesting option for somebody who has to start from scratch, if the price is right.


Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2016, 10:51 AM »
The sizes are based on a European (or possibly international) ‘norm’ (standard). Intended to efficiently use standard pallets (which are 80*120 cm in Europe). Even packaging in shops is based upon that (eg boxes for cereals etc. fill a standard shipping box without leaving empty space) and consequently warehousing racks, warehouses, shipping containers, trucks, etcetera.
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Offline rst

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2016, 11:43 AM »
akro-mils.com/Products/Types/Plastic-Storage-Containers/Straight-Wall-Containers  I have various sizes of these for storing bulky items.  Festool systainers stackt onto the top recess' perfectly.  The 12x16 footprint is identical to the systainer size and two systainers will sit side by side onto the 12x24 size.  There are open grid and solid wall types.  I made divider trays for 16" deep solid side 12x24 containers so my daughter can store and transport her jewelry to markets and shows.  I also made lids from plywood that nest into the tops for covers and extra storage shelving.

Offline mrB

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2016, 11:45 AM »
I'd like Tanos/Festool to make a collapsible cart like this. The Sys-roll is far to big clunky and un-colapsible for me to ever be interested. I know tanos have the other cart that is foldable, but with both options the systainers don't lock in but rather sit on the base.

there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Online Alex

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2016, 01:03 PM »
Never seen these before but I like them for their squareness, same way I like the classic Festool systainers. If I can't get any classic systainer anymore I just might have to go with these. The T-Locs just don't do it for me.

And I don't understand why Festool/Tanos can't make a good folding cart for their systainers.

Offline mrB

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2016, 02:05 PM »
The T-Locs just don't do it for me.

Until now I had always though your posts to be very rational Alex.  [big grin]
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Billy stray

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2016, 03:04 PM »
Another request for a foldable Sys roll, I kinda want one but the non fold thing bugs me
I'm convinced the minute I buy one they'll come out with one that folds....lol
Billy

Offline Mikey f

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2016, 07:59 PM »
I was sick of waiting, so I got one of these from lee valley.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72575&cat=1,43456,43391
I just use a bungee to secure it.

Mike

Offline Zebt

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016, 09:43 PM »
The T-Locs just don't do it for me.

Until now I had always though your posts to be very rational Alex.  [big grin]

I like the T loc, one handed operation often works when i've forgotten to take out the one thing I need just after glueing something!

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2016, 12:48 PM »
I'm interested in pricing on these. Their other products seem very reasonable.

Offline demographic

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2016, 01:11 PM »
I was eyeing up one of these foldable container pallets on a site I was working on recently, suspect that the bloke who was doing the block paving took it away on his trailer as he took pretty much everything that wasn't bolted down.

Offline jools

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2016, 01:34 PM »
He got a good deal. They retail at about £180 [eek]
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Offline Ollie

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2016, 01:36 PM »
I have been using the EURO crates in my van for a while after my brother gave me a few from his work.
They are great.
I have 10 with the same footprint as systainers and several which are twice that size allowing the two smaller ones to stack onto the bigger ones. It is a great modular system and they are often easy to find second hand for quite cheap.

I keep stuff like sandpaper (3 different crates ) paint brushes, sealant, glues, spare parts, resin, safety equipment etc.
they are easy to chuck in and out of the van and you can just take the ones you need.
They are available in a vast selection of depths and styles too.
Those new ones look handy too depending on cost.

Ollie

Offline maccruiskeen

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 05:39 AM »
Hello - long time lurker on FOG but I thought I'd chip in as I've just received some of the Auer boxes above. I already use quite a variety of classic and T Loc boxes and some of the Makita clones as well and incrementally i've been migrating all my kit into them and junking the boxes they came with.

For a while I've been using Auers regular stacking boxes (the sort of boxes used in warehousing / removals etc). They've been promoting these new boxes to existing customers for quite a while but it seems to have taken ages for them to be available to buy. Once they were available there was a bit of a special offer on so I decided to give them a shot.

Auer don't really have a retail presence - you order directly from the manufacturer and it seems they pretty much manufacture to order. A benefit of this is they're cheap - a disadvantage is it takes time. It typically takes about 6-8 weeks for an order to arrive. They also don't have much in the way of payment facilities - no card payments or paypal, they invoice and you have to pay by transfer. Although they advertise a UK address you actually pay to a german account and if you have a business bank account that means me getting stung for £25 by my bank as a transaction fee (one previous order I made got split into two batches costing me £50 is fees - annoying as one of the batches was only worth £10)

So... I orders a couple of their equivalents of Sys 3 and Sys4  and one of each size of their tote style boxes. 6 boxes in total for just over £100 including shipping. So verrrry cheap

On arrival first impression is the red boxes are really really red! They've very square like Classics and less ribbed and detailed. Sit one box on top of another and the click together and you can then just pick both up. It took a bit of head scratching to work out how to release them again - all the clips and tabs are the same colour as the box so its difficult to spot what moves. A bar on the front bottom edge of the box slides upwards to release the box below again. Spring loaded tabs in the top corners open the lid - and like a T-Loc you can open a box with the one above still attached. Very cleverly done, not really better or worse than a T-loc but definitely better than the stiff tabs on a classic and the un-budgable tabs on the Makita Makpacs.

While they are definitely influenced and inspired by Systainers they're not clones and not compatible. They're a tiny bit larger in every dimension externally. They won't lock to either type of systainer. They'll sit quite happily on top of a classic - the tabs on the bottom that lock the boxes together rest in the grooves on the top of a classic, they don't sit as readily on top of a T-Loc. I happily drive with systainers stacked but not locked together in the back of the van - they just stay put but these wouldn't stay put like that.

People who like Systainers would definitely appreciate them but if you're already quite heavily invested in Tanos stuff you might struggle to make a use for the Auer ones. You need to have a few of them for the stack-ability of them to be worth while. Theres no point having one or two in addition to a larger set of Tanos. But if you're looking for a way to re-box a set of existing non-festool kit - particularly a set of stuff that will always travel together - its a very cost effective way of doing it.

I've no idea whether its viable to order their stuff if you're in the US as I'd imagine shipping and maybe currency costs would be off-putting on anything other than a very big order. But if the UK no matter how physically large the order I've made to them I've never paid more than £12- £14 for shipping and although they manufacture to order (a lot of their boxes even allow you to spec custom colours) the minimum order is just one box. I've just been bitten by bank charges a bit. (going to try paying this current order from current account rather than my business one and see of that saves me the charges)

Although pricier - they've got some very interesting looking equivalents of Sortainer type boxes too. The ordering information is a bit baffling though. Theres seems to be some very cleverly worked out inserts for the Systainer style boxes coming available too.

There you go.... a long first post! I'll pitch into the the Makita / Makpak conversation later as I've had all 3 iterations of Makita's boxes (yes there was a third version.... and it was rubbish!)

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2017, 10:05 AM »
First off all, welcome to the forum!

...and thank you for your insight!
I am contemplating trying out a couple of those for the non-woodworking stuff like soldering, wires, light bulbs and wall painting parts.
This would enable me to easily distinguish between what is inside the boxes, and since I seldom have to combine soldering or painting with woodworking, it might be a cheap way to achieve the amount of order, which I have come to enjoy from those T-Locs. :)

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2017, 10:48 AM »
Interesting. Ill have to keep an eye on this company. Hopefully theyll get some retail presence in the US.
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2017, 01:10 PM »
Just a heads up - they do have a "presence" in the U.S.A. Click the country flag located up on the top right hand corner of their site and select "United States" from the country list. Then select "$" from the currency list.

Doing this displays the fact that all shipments worth at least US$562 ship free.

Here's the page on the US-portion of their site that details the tool boxes:

https://www.auer-packaging.com/us/en/Tool-boxes-Pro/TB-6433-F3.html

The largest box costs US$32.45 (plus shipping, if applicable) while the smallest costs US$14.52 (plus shipping, if applicable). That's not a misprint (!).
« Last Edit: June 03, 2017, 02:13 PM by TinyShop »

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2017, 01:30 PM »
A video showing these things in action sure would be useful. A web video search in English and German ("Auer Toolboxen") produces zilch.

I sent an email to the manufacturer requesting as much and will post what info I receive.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2017, 02:55 PM by TinyShop »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2017, 02:17 PM »
akro-mils.com/Products/Types/Plastic-Storage-Containers/Straight-Wall-Containers  I have various sizes of these for storing bulky items.  Festool systainers stackt onto the top recess' perfectly.  The 12x16 footprint is identical to the systainer size and two systainers will sit side by side onto the 12x24 size.  There are open grid and solid wall types.  I made divider trays for 16" deep solid side 12x24 containers so my daughter can store and transport her jewelry to markets and shows.  I also made lids from plywood that nest into the tops for covers and extra storage shelving.

@rst    Where do you buy these?

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2017, 03:48 PM »
Since I'm in Germany, I'll take the plunge and order some and follow up with a video. Any specifics I need to get into?
...so I can prepare the script? [emoji6]

Offline estley

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2017, 04:27 PM »
the small parts boxes look interesting, cheaper than sortimos i think.


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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2017, 06:05 PM »
@estley do you mean the "toolboxes rack" with the inserts?

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2017, 06:12 PM »
I was sick of waiting, so I got one of these from lee valley.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72575&cat=1,43456,43391
I just use a bungee to secure it.

Mike

This on made by Magna Cart can handle 300 Lbs., converts from a
hand truck to a four wheel cart, and it's a nice green color to boot.

https://www.amazon.com/Magna-Personal-Capacity-Aluminum-Folding/dp/B071LP46F1?th=1
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2017, 06:30 PM »
@grobkuschelig  - Good on you! Personally, I'd love to see what the boxes look like from all angles (including underneath), how they fit/fasten together, how they detach from one another, how the spring-loaded lid works, how they may (or may not) stack with systainers and also to hear a comparison on how robust the ABS molding seems when compared to a Festool systainer (in other words, a review of the build-quality when compared to a systainer). The manufacturer also sells foam inserts for the Pro toolboxes and accessories for the Rack boxes. I'm eager to see how these compare to the Tanos offerings. Finally, I'm curious how the two sizes of basic tool boxes compare to Festool's SYS-Toolboxes (for instance, #499550). Thanks! :)     

Offline estley

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2017, 09:58 PM »
@estley do you mean the "toolboxes rack" with the inserts?
these:

https://www.auer-packaging.com/gb/en/Assortment-boxes.html


i have a combination of dewalt boxes and some other organizer things, i thought about using sortainers but i can't justify the expense, these look perfect and the price point is not bad.


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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2017, 10:42 PM »
@estley do you mean the "toolboxes rack" with the inserts?
these:

https://www.auer-packaging.com/gb/en/Assortment-boxes.html


i have a combination of dewalt boxes and some other organizer things, i thought about using sortainers but i can't justify the expense, these look perfect and the price point is not bad.


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Those do look awesome! I wonder how much they charge for shipping to the US.
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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2017, 09:06 AM »
OK. Following up on my promise, I just ordered the following:  [cool]

- TOOLBOXEN PRO | TB 4316 F3 (Red 40 x 30 x 17,5 cm / Sys2)
- TOOLBOXEN PRO | TB 4322 F3 (Red 40 x 30 x 23 cm / Sys3)
- TOOLBOXEN RACK | TB R 4333 F3 (Red Rack with the following inserts)
For Rack: - SORTIMENTSBOX BESTÜCKT 35 X 29,5 CM | SB 353 B7 (small parts boxes)
For Rack: - SORTIMENTSBOX BESTÜCKT 35 X 29,5 CM | SB 353 B6 (small parts boxes)
For Rack: - RACK SCHUBLADE | TB RS 43 (drawer)

- TOOLBOXEN PRO | TB 4316 F1 (dark grey 40 x 30 x 17,5 cm / Sys2)
- TOOLBOXEN PRO | TB 4344 F1 (dark grey 40 x 30 x 45 cm / Sys5?)
- TOOLBOXEN BASIC | TB W 4316 F1 (dark grey 40 x 30 x 23 cm / Sys2)

The idea it so have all my power & soldering related stuff in red (mostly small switches, light-bulbs, soldering iron, connectors, etc.) and then have some of the dark grey ones for everything you need for normal room-painting (rollers, tape etc.)

I might add some of the larger ones and a rolling base later on, but for the first couple of boxes I just don't see the need.

All in all it came up to 167,99 € (incl. Tax and shipping(6,50€)). which makes an average of 28€ for each systainer.
I know, not the right way of estimating cost, but it seems quite cheap compared to what I normally spend on T-Locs.

For comparisons, I can only compare to T-Locs (standard sizes) since I don't have anything else. Maybe I'll be able to find someone around with some older ones...
The stuff is estimated to be shipping in two weeks.
I'll keep you updated!
 [popcorn]

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2017, 11:22 AM »
@grobkuschelig  Can't wait!  :)

Offline Z48LT1

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2017, 12:27 PM »
I was sick of waiting, so I got one of these from lee valley.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72575&cat=1,43456,43391
I just use a bungee to secure it.

Mike

This on made by Magna Cart can handle 300 Lbs., converts from a
hand truck to a four wheel cart, and it's a nice green color to boot.

https://www.amazon.com/Magna-Personal-Capacity-Aluminum-Folding/dp/B071LP46F1?th=1

This one appears to be identical to the one that Mikey f found but at almost half the price:

https://www.amazon.com/Cosco-Shifter-Multi-Position-Heavy-Folding/dp/B00LMH8CCS/ref=pd_bxgy_263_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00LMH8CCS&pd_rd_r=K5NAGYJ0ZA0TES2BEEJ7&pd_rd_w=xU2mJ&pd_rd_wg=7yaqB&psc=1&refRID=K5NAGYJ0ZA0TES2BEEJ7

Offline Hans Mertens

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2017, 03:27 PM »
Quote
...The stuff is estimated to be shipping in two weeks.

I wouldn't hold my breath, if you get in two months you'll be good.

I've ordered from them 3 times now and every time it's between 2 to 3 months.  I don't mind because I know this upfront and there prices are very reasonable.  I've only ordered there crates in 40×30cm and 40×60cm, so maybe these boxes are different.
The quality of there crates is fantastic, I think I have 70+ currently, the oldest is almost 10 years old, and not one is damaged. 
I take care of my equipment, but don't pamper it, so 10 years on the job site and in the workshop, and still going strong, for a plastic box that's an achievement.

Offline Ccookdo

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2017, 07:48 AM »
I use these company's Eurobox containers to compliment my Systainers, they have the same footprint.  While visiting their website today I stumbled on to a new offering...



More information on their website

Sizing will be the same 300×400mm and 400×600mm footprints as the systainers.

They can't deny where they've gotten the inspiration for these but they seem to make some nice additions.  Quick lock lids for example, just press down and the lid is locked, is what I like most about these. 
No pricing so far and off course these won't be compatible with the Systainers, but it might be an interesting option for somebody who has to start from scratch, if the price is right.




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Offline Magpal

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2017, 03:45 PM »
This system looks actually looks very interesting. Considering the price point and ease of access, it is extremely interesting.

I have a lot of electrical/electronics stuff etc. that I have not yet migrated to systainers due to the price level of the T-loc sortainers. This could be a good way of storing non-woodworking equipment, that will usually not be transported together with the systainers anyway. Since the footprint of these are equal to systainers, it will probably also enable the use of SYS-AZ drawers and thus to some extent allow for "co-existence". Maybe a bracket could also be made to allow for connection with systainers.

The Auer system does not bring anything new to the table, other than a well designed system with a very interesting price point. Although the rack boxes, which seems like a mix of the T-loc sortainer and rack-systainer is a very nice addition (like bosch's l-rack). Given the ease of access and interesting price point, I will probably try these at some point. Maybe I can then justify putting some of the cheaper non-woodworking stuff in a better system.

Very impressive that you can buy almost everything as single units - they have a lot of interesting storage solutions.

Looking forward to see your review @grobkuschelig ! [cool]

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2017, 07:42 AM »
Quick update: the pre-payment (required type of payment) has been made.
Now it's only waiting for delivery [emoji403]. [emoji41]

...feel a little James-Bondish, since I'm now a man on a mission!  ...to review Systainers. [emoji51]

Offline Magpal

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2017, 04:14 AM »
Interesting detail: Some of the containers are available in the "Festool color" RAL6018 yellow green as standard.

Offline Sal Bandini

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2017, 03:08 PM »
akro-mils.com/Products/Types/Plastic-Storage-Containers/Straight-Wall-Containers  I have various sizes of these for storing bulky items.  Festool systainers stackt onto the top recess' perfectly.  The 12x16 footprint is identical to the systainer size and two systainers will sit side by side onto the 12x24 size.  There are open grid and solid wall types.  I made divider trays for 16" deep solid side 12x24 containers so my daughter can store and transport her jewelry to markets and shows.  I also made lids from plywood that nest into the tops for covers and extra storage shelving.

@rst    Where do you buy these?

Quick google search shows various sources. Amazon may be your best bet

https://www.google.com/search?q=akro-mils+straight+wall+containers&oq=akro-mils+straight+wall+containers&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i60.11392j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2017, 07:13 PM »
Quick update - I finally heard back from Auer Packaging. My two emails to them went unanswered as did the message I sent to them via their website's online contact form. It took my posting a comment to their facebook wall to finally get a response, which follows:

Quote
"thank you for your message. Unfortunately we do not have any video material about our new product line systemboxes yet.
But we are happy to say that this project is already in planning.

If you like we will let you know as soon as there are some videos online.

Greetings from Germany

Your Team from AUER Packaging" 

In this day and age, I have to wonder why Auer released such a competitive product (at least it appears to be competitive) in the total absence of even a single video showing the product line in use. Bizarre. Looks like we'll have to rely on user reviews.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2017, 09:08 AM »
I'm still waiting for my shipping notice... [emoji56]

I think they might be looking into corporate partnerships first.
In my opinion the strength of Systainers or L-Boxes comes from them being shipped to you with the product. Not from "aftermarket purchases".

Offline antss

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2017, 09:59 AM »
If you read between the lines of Auer's response ; you'll be waiting a long time to receive these.

They seem to be saying they aren't even in production yet.  "project is already in planning"  [eek]

I've got ten projects in planning stage and none of them even have materials bought or in inventory. Let alone being far enough along to invoice the customer for.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2017, 11:00 AM »
Just to be clear, the manufacturer's statement, "But we are happy to say that this project is already in planning," refers to plans to shoot a video(s) to describe the boxes, not plans to create the boxes themselves (they are already available). When I questioned why there weren't any videos already in existence given that the boxes were released ~two years ago, the agent corrected my understanding by clarifying that the boxes have only been available since the beginning of the year. I'd read reports of the imminent release that were apparently published way in advance of the boxes becoming available. The exact response appears below:
Quote
the systemboxes are available since this year.

Maybe you found some articles about the product preview.

Greetings

Apologies for not passing along this exchange earlier. I didn't think it was relevant.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2017, 11:19 PM »
So. Got an update on my shipment:
"We are going to ship your order as soon as possible and apologize for the delay..."

Since it came at midnight, it looks like an automated server message, based on order date.
Since @Hans Mertens mentioned that it might be 2-3 months, due to his experience, I'm not surprised...

I'll keep you updated. [emoji854]

Offline antss

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2017, 11:33 PM »
OK, lost in translation then ?   [unsure]

Sure sounds shaky, but let's see how long it takes for them to arrive.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2017, 07:16 AM »
So. I called them this morning and as promised they just sent out a partial shipment of my order.

So I might be able to give you a quick review of whatever is coming next week.
I'll be on holiday after that, so the final stuff will have to wait until August.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2017, 08:31 AM »
Another quick update. The partial shipment was delivered to my neighbors today, so I should be able to share some pics this evening.
Is there anything special you want to see?

I will most likely not manage to get any video done before my holidays. So that will have to wait until August... sorry. [emoji51]

Offline L.N.

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2017, 09:16 AM »
Super, i'm curious. I ordered some toolboxes and assortment boxes a bit more then 2 weeks ago and i'm  waiting on their delivery....
« Last Edit: July 03, 2017, 02:26 PM by L.N. »

Offline Magpal

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2017, 12:51 PM »
Great! Some comments on the general quality and size compared to systainer would be great! If you have any sys-az's: will the auer box fit?

And pictures! [cool]

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2017, 05:31 PM »
So. Here I am and there they are.
Came nicely packaged and waited in front of my door, due to the friendly neighbors!  [thumbs up]

What's in the box?
- 2x drawers with small boxes inside (Sortimo-like)
- 2x Sys-2 Equivalent (1x grey, 1x red)
- 1x Sys-3 Equivalent (red)
- 1x Sys Toolbox Equivalent in grey.

First thoughts, you ask?
1) The red is really red!  [eek] [big grin]
2) Build quality is nice. I'd say the T-Loc systainers are a little more "refined". But overall, I am quite happy with my purchase.
3) They are slightly bigger than T-Locs. Also the square interior suggests more space on the same footprint.
4) For the Sys-2 size, the T-Loc weighs in at 1506 g, The Auer Version weighs in at 1814g.
5) The T-Loc Top seems more rigid than the Auer.
6) The Auer 'Base' seems more rigid than the T-Loc (due to the locking mechanism etc. in the front)
7) The "molded-in" rubber on the opening-latches on the Auer are nice.
8) To lock a couple on each other, you need to slide them horizontally/flat backwards. If you try to lock in the back and then put down the front, the lock in the front will not engage. (At least on the first trials...)
9) Angle on the top tilting back is the same on both.
10) The Auer Hardware seems a little less precise, although it might need some break-in.
11) The Auers mostly need to be opened with two hands.
12) The Sort-Boxes are nice with the clear lid and the spring mechanism on the lid.

Please see the pics below for additional points. I took a yellow box out of the Festool Sys-Sort to compare for size. (Spoiler: Not a match!)

What I can say so far is that these are really nice boxes for the price.
I can't wait to get the rest of the shipment to really put things together.
They are meant to put order into my non-tools (general painting accessories, wires, soldering etc.) and for this, they are great and I'm sure they'll serve their purpose.

Any questions?
Specific test/picture requests?
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2017, 06:40 PM »
Excellent! I like that you compared/contrasted the Auer Pro directly to a known quantity, specifically the Tanos Sys II. That's super helpful. And, since you so kindly offered, how about some photos showing the boxes with the lids opened? I'd like to see the inside of the carcass and the underside of the lids.

Also, I see now that in order to open the Auer "Pro' lid one must slide the two visible lighter-colored latches in towards each other (requiring two hands, as you indicated). I guess this what is meant by the manufacturer's reference to a "spring-loaded lid." I initially misunderstood this to mean that the lid literally springs open when a latch is released. So, two spring-loaded latches and not a spring-loaded lid. Got it.

Thanks again! :)

   

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2017, 04:52 AM »
....I'd like to see the inside of the carcass and the underside of the lids.


...So, two spring-loaded latches and not a spring-loaded lid...


See inside-pics attached...

The lid, at least on the clear view sort cases is actually spring loaded with a mechanism at the back of the sides, shortly in front of the hinge. See pic as well.

I need to check on the Systainers themselves, but I think they only have a normal hinge...






Offline L.N.

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2017, 05:36 AM »
Do they fit in the Sys-AZ-drawers? That would be great, but i'm doubtfull if it will fit. The inside dimension of the Sys-AZ are 395x 300 mm and the Toolbox is 400 x 300 mm. But the difference is only 0,5 mm, so who knows....

Offline Magpal

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2017, 12:53 PM »
Great review and pictures! Looks awesome so far! The tool boxes seems to be very well built and so does the smaller boxes. Hopefully they will also fit the SYS-AZ, considering the small difference in size.

I just ordered a couple of boxes myself for various electrical tools.

BTW: The size of the small bins are equal to the Sortimo system bins.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2017, 01:41 PM »
Awesome! Definitely looks like a viable option! Thank you for posting all the pics!
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Systainer clone
« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2017, 03:08 PM »
I don't know about SYS-AZ, because I don't have any.

I checked the Sort boxes against a drawer from a Combi-Sys. Does not really fit. But the Sort-drawer almost fits into the drawer in the Combi-SYS...