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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2018, 09:30 AM »
Thx Don - For a really informative demo.
While I’ve been a strong advocate/user of my two ALL STEEL Dust Deputies -
Which have seemed to have avoided the problems of grounding and Dust Extractor electronic “burnouts” -
I have to say that it looks like Festool really “listened” to its customers - Rose to the occasion - And “out Dust Deputied” the Dust Deputy.
Three observations were apparent to me from your video.
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It really works. So... Major savings on buying/using expensive Festool DE bags.
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It looks a LOT STURDIER than I originally thought it to be.
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It works “in unison” (fits nicely) with the Festool Dust Extractors.


Of course, “the rubber will meet the road” when it’s in actual use by end users on the job and in our shops.
But... On the front end... This looks like a real “winner”!
Hurrah for Festool... And for us. :)

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2018, 12:36 PM »
@Don Ware

THANKS for the video!

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2018, 01:06 PM »
Thanks Don, that's helpful!  The cuts with the Kapex surprised me, it appears to have filtered out a good percentage of that dust.
-Raj

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2018, 01:18 PM »
Yes this thing really worked Great !!!!!!
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2018, 01:27 PM »
There seemed to be a lot of static from the clear bin.  I don't if that will be an issue or not. 
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2018, 01:37 PM »
thanks for the video. this is still very early;

my question is how much pressure drop is there compared to the black or standard DD.
i'd also like to see how much gets past the cyclone into the bag

i noticed that static in the bin as well, maybe the plastic liner would remedy the issue.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2018, 09:29 PM »
Wow Don thats pretty slick. Im gonna try to make it out to your Festool Demo day and take it for a spin.


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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2018, 11:27 PM »
thanks for the video. this is still very early;

my question is how much pressure drop is there compared to the black or standard DD.
i'd also like to see how much gets past the cyclone into the bag

i noticed that static in the bin as well, maybe the plastic liner would remedy the issue.

Yeah, pressure drop is my big question too - thien separators often lead to a drop of ~50% and the DD is more like 25%...

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2018, 11:28 PM »
I have three Oneidas that work great at my stationary tools, I'll be getting the Festool for in my van.

Do you have any photos of your setup? I'm hoping to use one underneath a workbench so that I can hide away my CT26E, I was planning to just run lines where I would need to hook up the vac to sweep up the floor, and maybe make a manifold like Peter Parfitt's

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2018, 12:07 AM »
Some days just don't go right..... I shot a new video tonight came home and I have no internet. I'm on my phone right now. I cleaned out the Cyclone and changed out the bag in the CT. Cut with the Planex and plained with the 850 and when I was done there was all most No dust in the bag !!!!! I was just in disbelief at how little dust made it to the bag. I will have video upload ASAP
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2018, 09:11 AM »
Some days just don't go right..... I shot a new video tonight came home and I have no internet. I'm on my phone right now. I cleaned out the Cyclone and changed out the bag in the CT. Cut with the Planex and plained with the 850 and when I was done there was all most No dust in the bag !!!!! I was just in disbelief at how little dust made it to the bag. I will have video upload ASAP

Looking forward to seeing the bag contents.  With all of the dust in the bin and a relatively empty bag, it tells me that it doesn't matter whether it is a cyclone or a Thein baffle, it gets the job done. [smile]

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2018, 09:23 AM »
Some days just don't go right..... I shot a new video tonight came home and I have no internet. I'm on my phone right now. I cleaned out the Cyclone and changed out the bag in the CT. Cut with the Planex and plained with the 850 and when I was done there was all most No dust in the bag !!!!! I was just in disbelief at how little dust made it to the bag. I will have video upload ASAP

Looking forward to seeing the bag contents.  With all of the dust in the bin and a relatively empty bag, it tells me that it doesn't matter whether it is a cyclone or a Thein baffle, it gets the job done. [smile]

Amen to that. 

Those people that say only a long cyclone with the magic math ratio can deliver acceptable fine dust separation just flat don't know what they are talking about.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2018, 10:30 AM »

Amen to that. 


Amen and I'll raise you a hallelujah.  [smile]

I learned my lesson years ago designing capital equipment. You want to start off a new design with theory on your side but you don't want to be handcuffed by it.  That's one reason model shops exist and thrive.  [big grin]

I know the recent demo at the Festool Roadshow using a Planex & CT Cyclone was pretty impressive. Impressive to the point where I'm now considering purchasing a CT Cyclone.  [huh]

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2018, 10:36 AM »
I wonder if there will be a way to adapt this unit to the Midi.  I'm not sure why everyone keeps forgetting the MIDI Users.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2018, 12:53 PM »
I wonder if there will be a way to adapt this unit to the Midi.  I'm not sure why everyone keeps forgetting the MIDI Users.

you can probably hook it up to a shop vac if you wanted to. i'd be curious how that performs!

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2018, 01:03 PM »

Amen to that. 


Amen and I'll raise you a hallelujah.  [smile]

I learned my lesson years ago designing capital equipment. You want to start off a new design with theory on your side but you don't want to be handcuffed by it.  That's one reason model shops exist and thrive.  [big grin]

I know the recent demo at the Festool Roadshow using a Planex & CT Cyclone was pretty impressive. Impressive to the point where I'm now considering purchasing a CT Cyclone.  [huh]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but you aren't any farther ahead spending the money on a cyclone over buying bags unless you use a ton of bags.  Most people don't use a lot of bags and they will only lose money on the cyclone on top of having a much larger, bulkier vac setup.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2018, 01:24 PM »

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but you aren't any farther ahead spending the money on a cyclone over buying bags unless you use a ton of bags.  Most people don't use a lot of bags and they will only lose money on the cyclone on top of having a much larger, bulkier vac setup.

The break even point between the CT Cyclone and my CT36 is 39 bags.  That is MANY years worth of bags for my use.  OTOH, it would be a nice compact solution for use with my CTL-SYS, albeit a pricey one. 

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2018, 02:02 PM »
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but you aren't any farther ahead spending the money on a cyclone over buying bags unless you use a ton of bags.  Most people don't use a lot of bags and they will only lose money on the cyclone on top of having a much larger, bulkier vac setup.
True to a point, especially for a home woodworker. I find when sanding drywall with my regular CT36 the bags plug and suction is reduced. Right now my bag is less than 1/6 full and whacking it around, it still isn't producing the kind of suction it should, so I will be replacing the bag the next time I require full suction.

I have an Oneida bucket cyclone and it works very well for even fine dust. Unfortunately it is not as portable as I wish it was (Should really be using it).

Hoping this new design drops fine dust into a plastic bag and allows me to continue using my CT36 for sanding drywall. Didn't take much to convince me I need one. May not be for everyone, but it definitely has it's place.


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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2018, 02:16 PM »
Even with wood dust, I'll typically replace at 75% full because there is a drop off in suction as the bag nears capacity. 
-Raj

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2018, 03:00 PM »
Ya, I’m not looking to save money, just want to lighten my load. When sanding drywall, the CT 22 loses its goodness in a short period of time. After that it’s unpile the Systainers, open the 22, whack the bag a couple of times, check the filters...then repeat the process in 45 minutes. It’d be a lot easier to just dump a plastic bin of drywall dust.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2018, 05:17 PM »
FYI, there's an adapter available as an accessory part so you can use the cyclone with your sleeved hose:

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@Shane Holland , is this something dealers like you will have too..?
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2018, 06:14 PM »
FYI, there's an adapter available as an accessory part so you can use the cyclone with your sleeved hose: 575668

@Shane Holland , is this something dealers like you will have too..?

@copcarcollector, yes, I've added it to the website for pre-order. You should only need this if you have one of the sleeved hoses with the Plug-It running through the zippered sleeve.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2018, 07:57 PM »
Even with wood dust, I'll typically replace at 75% full because there is a drop off in suction as the bag nears capacity.
With my ct-26 I do the same,
But what I don’t like about both the Oneida and Festool versions , is the plastic box or bag is allowing the fine dust to get airborne when you dump it. I don’t have either so I’m guessing .
With my vac,I just toss the bag ,replace.
I don’t think  want a open container to deal with vrs a closed bag.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2018, 09:41 PM »

New bag in the CT 26, CT Cyclone all vacuumed out. Let's see how much dust get's to the CT 26 bag !!!!! ( So little it's hard to film, I expected a LOT more dust !!!!! )
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2018, 10:23 PM »
That's an impressive demo. Thanks for taking the time to record and upload the video.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2018, 10:46 PM »
This is all new to me, I'm learning as I go. But I'm really enjoying making these video's !!!! Thank You for watching !!!!
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2018, 08:39 AM »
Thank you for the 2nd video demonstrating how effective the CT pre-separator is.  The miniscule particles that did make it into the bag looked to be the fines which makes sense. 

I'm anxious to see such a test by someone who sands drywall as that will be the ultimate test.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2018, 10:34 AM »
I'm anxious to see such a test by someone who sands drywall as that will be the ultimate test.
Or sanding wood.

Given the videos of the thing in action I suspect extraction efficiency (for the finer stuff) will lessen with the waste container filling.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2018, 11:06 AM »
This is all new to me, I'm learning as I go. But I'm really enjoying making these video's !!!! Thank You for watching !!!!

Hi Don,

Here’s an idea for another video.  It would be interesting to see a quick video of the MIDI interfaced with the new Festool cyclone.  It would be interesting to see what accessories might be required to make the Festool Cyclone work with the Midi.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2018, 11:26 AM »
Here’s an idea for another video.  It would be interesting to see a quick video of the MIDI interfaced with the new Festool cyclone.  It would be interesting to see what accessories might be required to make the Festool Cyclone work with the Midi.

My guess would be a longer hose with a 90º end connection.