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Offline RKA

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2018, 11:57 AM »
...that accomodates a 50mm hose (assuming that's what's used on the CT's).
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Offline Steven Owen

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2018, 12:45 PM »
Here’s an idea for another video.  It would be interesting to see a quick video of the MIDI interfaced with the new Festool cyclone.  It would be interesting to see what accessories might be required to make the Festool Cyclone work with the Midi.

My guess would be a longer hose with a 90º end connection.

I think you would want an anit static hose about 5 feet long.  I would be worried about lost suction using a 10 foot hose back to the vacuum.
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Offline Don Ware

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2018, 01:10 PM »
I'm a Festool dealer. If Festool said CT Cyclone only works with CT 26/36/48. I can't make a video showing you how to do something Festool is telling you not to do. And if you do it and do it wrong and you break the ground between your CT and the CT Cyclone you could kill your Mini or Midi. And I don't want to be any part of that either.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2018, 01:35 PM »
This is all new to me, I'm learning as I go. But I'm really enjoying making these video's !!!! Thank You for watching !!!!

I've also very much enjoyed watching the other Festool videos that you have on YouTube!  Lots of good information!
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Offline Steven Owen

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2018, 02:42 PM »
I'm a Festool dealer. If Festool said CT Cyclone only works with CT 26/36/48. I can't make a video showing you how to do something Festool is telling you not to do. And if you do it and do it wrong and you break the ground between your CT and the CT Cyclone you could kill your Mini or Midi. And I don't want to be any part of that either.

I can understand the position you have to take as a Festool dealer.  You have to tow the line.

All it takes to connect this to a Midi is a longer Festool Anti Static hose.  I don't see how that would compromise the anti static protection as long as the hose being used was not anit-static.  The only problem I could see there would be a loss of some suction power using a longer hose.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2018, 11:28 PM »
Im interested in this cyclone as do go through a lot of bags. I do have the long life bags in both my CTs but I find I have to empty the main one CT 26 about every week or so. To me If I can just lift off a box from the CT and not having to open up the halves it would save me a bit of time. i think if something will save me some steps or time its worth it.

So Im gonna tell the kiddos to get me one for Xmas.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2018, 12:02 AM »
Man... So now with the Plug-It accessory its a $415 setup. Wow... Makes me glad I bought the Oneida back with it was $199.
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Offline tallgrass

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2018, 12:58 AM »
A simple test of how well it separates would be to fill the bucket up half way and weigh it. Vacuum the the contents of the bucket  and weigh the bucket in the separator. the difference will give a good idea. I know you have vast amounts of saw dust in the accumulators you guys run at Anderson.  I would expect it would do a very good job. Not trying to ruin your day Don. :)

Offline Peter_C

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2018, 10:21 AM »
Man... So now with the Plug-It accessory its a $415 setup. Wow... Makes me glad I bought the Oneida back with it was $199.
A very reasonably priced triple tap solves the issue. Personally I see no advantage to buying that expensive extension cord, and I often have multiple tools plugged into my dust extractor. What I want is automatic blast gates.

A simple test of how well it separates would be to fill the bucket up half way and weigh it. Vacuum the the contents of the bucket  and weigh the bucket in the separator. the difference will give a good idea. I know you have vast amounts of saw dust in the accumulators you guys run at Anderson.  I would expect it would do a very good job. Not trying to ruin your day Don. :)
Could also just weigh the bag and the container, then go to work and weigh them again after. Difference in weight can be figured as a percentage.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2018, 02:45 PM »
True, however I do not know if Don has bags yet. The 2 container idea is simply vacuuming from and to  identical containers and measuring the difference. There are many ways to figure out efficiency. Though I expect that this set up works just fine. I am already on the hook for one.  :)

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2018, 02:55 PM »
the real test will be drywall and concrete grinding dust...
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Offline RKA

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2018, 05:20 PM »
I was waiting for that when Don mentioned Planex earlier in the thread.  But it looks like he accidentally interchanged planex for kapex.  But, if he has some time on his hands and some of the walls in the new Festool display area need some touching up....   [big grin]
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Offline Don Ware

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2018, 09:35 PM »
No I don't have a Demo Planex ……….. And I don't have any freshly mud covered walls LOL
And I don't have a scale that would weigh that little bit of saw dust I only have a postal scale.
And more saw dust fell out of the hose when I was putting every thing away than was in the bag.
And the cyclone it self had dust stuck on it. So if you had a scale that would weigh things down to a very small weight. You could weigh the bag before and after. But I all so have some bloodwood and some ebony and a littel of that saw dust weighs a lot, and I have some Balsa ( personal use, I like to make mock ups with non for sale ) and a whole bag full of that sawdust weighs almost nothing . So you saw the look on my face when I looked in the bag...... I could not beleave that there was almost no sawdust in the bag ....... My first tought was How can I film something thats not there. And yes some one said " Cut the bag open " You do known I pay for these bags out of my pocket, I bought the camera and do this because I find it fun. So if anyone wants to send me a brand new CT 26 bag I'll do the video again LOL !!!! ( Just Joking don't be mailing me CT 26 bags !!!!! ) I am very glad most people that watch my video's like them !!!!!! If you like them Thank You !!!! That's what keeps me going every day. If you would like to see something and I have a Demo tool I will try and make a video for you.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2018, 10:13 PM by Don Ware »
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Offline tallgrass

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2018, 01:17 AM »
your work is much appreciated. you are just going to have to put up with your adoring fans. The life of a celebrity. :)

Offline grainhaus

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2018, 01:51 PM »
Its a bummer the Midi/Mini are never included in the big accessory upgrades like this, very annoying. Why Sell something to limit it out of the gate from new accessories, no bluetooth, etc. All it needs to work on the midi is a little longer hose. Why say it isn't compatible unless theres another reason they aren't saying?

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2018, 03:27 PM »
Its a bummer the Midi/Mini are never included in the big accessory upgrades like this, very annoying. Why Sell something to limit it out of the gate from new accessories, no bluetooth, etc. All it needs to work on the midi is a little longer hose. Why say it isn't compatible unless theres another reason they aren't saying?

The hose the included might actually be long enough to reach the Midi hose port if you mount it backwards.  I don’t think it’s an anti-static issue.  It would be more of a loss of suction issue.  The MiDI motor is slightly less power than the CT26.
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Offline JD2720

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2018, 04:15 PM »
Its a bummer the Midi/Mini are never included in the big accessory upgrades like this, very annoying. Why Sell something to limit it out of the gate from new accessories, no bluetooth, etc. All it needs to work on the midi is a little longer hose. Why say it isn't compatible unless theres another reason they aren't saying?

My guess of why Festool does not want it used on the MINI & MIDI is a weight issue. The MINI & MIDI have a much smaller footprint than the full CT 26, 36 & 48. The MINI & MIDI would not be very stable with 50+ lbs of drywall dust setting on top of them.

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2018, 05:01 PM »
Its a bummer the Midi/Mini are never included in the big accessory upgrades like this, very annoying. Why Sell something to limit it out of the gate from new accessories, no bluetooth, etc. All it needs to work on the midi is a little longer hose. Why say it isn't compatible unless theres another reason they aren't saying?

My guess of why Festool does not want it used on the MINI & MIDI is a weight issue. The MINI & MIDI have a much smaller footprint than the full CT 26, 36 & 48. The MINI & MIDI would not be very stable with 50+ lbs of drywall dust setting on top of them.

There is another possiblilty for the Midi:

The other possible option would be to sit the cyclone on a Festool roller cart and attach it behind the MIDI.  Using a Festool cart would be a cheaper option than buying a longer hose.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2018, 05:47 PM »
I’ll add to the ‘Why not” speculation, how about putting the CT CYCLONE on top of a SysRoll dolly powered by a CT SYS on top. Don’t have firsthand knowledge of either CTs but I agree with Steven that a Mini/Midi ought to be functional with the CYCLONE.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2018, 06:52 PM »
I’ll add to the ‘Why not” speculation, how about putting the CT CYCLONE on top of a SysRoll dolly powered by a CT SYS on top. Don’t have firsthand knowledge of either CTs but I agree with Steven that a Mini/Midi ought to be functional with the CYCLONE.

The CT Cyclone will function with any brand of vacuum. It just cannot be used on top of other vacuums the way it can be on top of the CT 26, 36 & 48.  I like the idea of using it with the SYS-Cart or the Sys-Roll & CT-Sys. 
« Last Edit: August 11, 2018, 08:59 PM by JD2720 »

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2018, 07:42 PM »
I’ll add to the ‘Why not” speculation, how about putting the CT CYCLONE on top of a SysRoll dolly powered by a CT SYS on top. Don’t have firsthand knowledge of either CTs but I agree with Steven that a Mini/Midi ought to be functional with the CYCLONE.

The CT Cyclone will function with any brand of vacuum. It just cannot be used on top of other vacuums the way it can be on top of the CT 26, 36 & 48.  I like the idea of using it with the SYS-Cart or the Sys-Roll & CY-Sys.

I think the sys cart would be a more practical way to connect the Festool Cyclone to the Midi.  A longer hose with the unit stacked on top would create stability and possible suction loss of the hose connecting the Midi to the cyclone is too long.

There’s actually more options to connect a Festool cyclone to a MIDI than the Onieda. 
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Offline Eorlingur

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2018, 05:05 AM »
I’ll add to the ‘Why not” speculation, how about putting the CT CYCLONE on top of a SysRoll dolly powered by a CT SYS on top. Don’t have firsthand knowledge of either CTs but I agree with Steven that a Mini/Midi ought to be functional with the CYCLONE.

Thats what I'm hoping is possible. It would be a very flexible way of solving very different needs with fewer parts. If it would fit under a CMS unit as well it would be the perfect setup for me. It would also enable separation, for recycling purposes, of different types of dust with a single extractor. I would use the separator for all wood dust and just use the CT vac for paint and plastic. That would reduce the need for two separate vacuums for some projects.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2018, 12:48 PM »
To get even more modular,

Units are Systainer forms

Mix and match as needed

Hose storage unit
Power unit (gasketed)
Filtration/bag unit
Diverter unit?
Separation unit
Dolly

Offline JimH2

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2018, 10:18 AM »
Can it be used with the CT22 and CT33?

Offline JD2720

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2018, 10:35 AM »
Can it be used with the CT22 and CT33?

It can be used with any vacuum as far as dust separation. If the CT22 & CT33 can support the weight of a full tub of drywall dust, than it may be able to be set on top of them. 

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2018, 10:39 AM »
Can it be used with the CT22 and CT33?

Yes...this was confirmed by Festool.

Offline ronen

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2018, 02:49 AM »
Hi everyone,
I'm new here...
Great Forum!
I need some help:
Does anyone know if the festool ct pre-separator ct-va-20 is compatible with the cleantec CTL-mini and/or the cleantec CT 17 ?
Can it be mounted on the CTL-mini?
Thanks a lot
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2018, 03:25 PM »
I dont think it can.

 I think its designed to work with a regular CT

I would call Festool to be sure.

Offline Bullterrier

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #88 on: September 04, 2018, 02:54 AM »
I see that Festool UK has updated the description to state separation of:

Up to 80% mineral dust (to be used with Autoclean vac).

Up to 95% coarse dust (sawdust shavings chips)

I assume MDF dust would fall across the 2 categories?

It will be good to see some real world video reviews soon!


Offline ben_r_

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #89 on: September 04, 2018, 10:16 AM »
I see that Festool UK has updated the description to state separation of:

Up to 80% mineral dust (to be used with Autoclean vac).

Up to 95% coarse dust (sawdust shavings chips)

I assume MDF dust would fall across the 2 categories?

It will be good to see some real world video reviews soon!


And some comparisons with the Oneida!
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