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Offline Gregor

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #90 on: September 04, 2018, 11:00 AM »
I just saw the CT CYCLONE live on a roadshow.

Still not impressed.
Comment from another visitor: great idea, but why does it need to look that pieced together?

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2018, 09:17 PM »
Anyone know if this can be used on a CT36 for use with the planex without having an Autoclean vac?  I would like to buy one but just can't justify buying another vac as well, I already have two for my little hobby shop.  Thanks

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« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2018, 03:44 AM »
Festool state up to 80% separation of fine dust and recommend the AC. There’s no physical restriction but the 20%+ passing through would soon affect suction.

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« Reply #93 on: September 08, 2018, 09:41 AM »
Remember, that 20% is going into your bag, not the filter.

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« Reply #94 on: September 08, 2018, 12:08 PM »
@rst

That is true. What I like is the increase capacity. Since I use my CT 26 to suck up the chips from my CMS Ts 75 module, and router modules, plus suck up the chips that dont make it in the trash when I use my Makita thicknesser/Planer and Jet jointer.

So there is a advantage to haveing the larger capacity for me. Especially on larger jobs/projects

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« Reply #95 on: September 09, 2018, 08:59 AM »
Unless you are a production shop it probably is a lot cheaper to keep buying new bags or to buy one of the ones that is reusable. You'd have to run through a lot of bags to offset the cost and even with this you still need to buy bags (just not as many).

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« Reply #96 on: September 09, 2018, 09:20 AM »
Obviously this as @JimH2 points out will not be for everyone.  Neither will using just bags or even the long-life bags.  I could see myself potentially getting one for some scenarios but then again, not for all.  I have never gone the long life bag route because I do drywall repairs and the finer dust does clog the pores of the long-life bags.  I don't use the router enough to justify that bag either.

I have one of the plastic Oneida cyclones that I rigged up a way to attach it to my older CT but stopped using it because it was clunky.  To get rid of the larger bulky stuff in a non disposable bag situation was great.  It did elongate the intervals before bag replacements for me even when sanding drywall.

I think that the new Cyclone will appeal to a large part of the market but obviously will not be for everyone.  I am now traveling with my current model Midi so unless I switch back to my larger CT I am not a candidate for the Cyclone unless I mod things.

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« Reply #97 on: September 09, 2018, 10:25 AM »
I'm considering purchasing one for my CT 22 just so that I can monitor how much dust has been generated and empty the vac EARLIER and EASIER.   With the conventional setup, it's out of sight, out of mind and the bag gets packed full.

Miele has had "full bag" indicators on their vacuums for the last 10 years.  [cool]   Never understood why Festool didn't offer that feature.

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« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2018, 10:53 AM »
I'm considering purchasing one for my CT 22 just so that I can monitor how much dust has been generated and empty the vac EARLIER and EASIER.   With the conventional setup, it's out of sight, out of mind and the bag gets packed full.

Miele has had "full bag" indicators on their vacuums for the last 10 years.  [cool]   Never understood why Festool didn't offer that feature.

My experience is that although it happens to “brick” a bag, performance is probably slipping as the bag pores are getting clogged.  I wouldn’t pay one dollar more for an indicator on the Festool vacs because personally I feel that it would send the wrong message.  By the time the bag is full it isn’t working as well. 

I am admittedly a bag slicer or cleaner who has tried to extend the life of bags although I haven’t done that on the newer fabric style bags.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2018, 12:13 PM »
@Peter Halle, why not? (I haven’t yet bought a fabric bag)

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« Reply #100 on: September 09, 2018, 12:43 PM »
@Michael Kellough, Is the question was why haven't I slit a fabric bag yet?

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« Reply #101 on: September 09, 2018, 02:44 PM »
@Peter Halle, yep. I open paper bags to re-use when the debris isn’t so fine as to plug the filter medium bit thanks to usually using a Dust Deputy I’m still working through a stash of paper bags so I’m wondering about the fabric bags. Tape won’t stick?

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« Reply #102 on: September 09, 2018, 03:11 PM »
@Michael Kellough , I don't know yet if tape will stick.  I have always assumed that I was going to have to sew or use slit pvc pipe.  This week I will be doing a large mantle out of MDF sheet so I might have a full bag soon though.  That will be the fifth bag on this job - GROWL! 

Consolation is that the homeowner has commented on how clean I am versus others working on the job.

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« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2018, 04:14 PM »
I'm considering purchasing one for my CT 22 just so that I can monitor how much dust has been generated and empty the vac EARLIER and EASIER.   With the conventional setup, it's out of sight, out of mind and the bag gets packed full.

Miele has had "full bag" indicators on their vacuums for the last 10 years.  [cool]   Never understood why Festool didn't offer that feature.

Your point is valid, but the Miele feature is less than advertised.  I find the indicator hasn’t moved enough to indicate a drop in suction, but I can tell when the performance has dropped.  A visual check of the bag confirms it’s 75% full and changing it out restores the performance.  So I don’t find that implementation useful at all. 
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2018, 04:23 PM »
I haven't slit any of my bags yet but I replaced a lost Makita bag clip by splitting a length of polypropylene tube cutting angles into the ends and slipping it over the folded bag...still using it 15+ years later.  Split tube like this is also great for slipping over saw teeth to protect the sharpness and other tools in tool boxes.  Usually the tube is sold in the plumbing sections of hardware stores and it is better to heat and straighten it before splitting.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2018, 05:08 PM »
I haven't slit any of my bags yet but I replaced a lost Makita bag clip by splitting a length of polypropylene tube cutting angles into the ends and slipping it over the folded bag...still using it 15+ years later.  Split tube like this is also great for slipping over saw teeth to protect the sharpness and over tools in tool boxes.  Usually the tube is sold in the plumbing sections of hardware stores and it is better to heat and straighten it before splitting.

Great tip! Didn’t know you could do that.

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« Reply #106 on: September 10, 2018, 12:35 AM »
Your point is valid, but the Miele feature is less than advertised.  I find the indicator hasn’t moved enough to indicate a drop in suction, but I can tell when the performance has dropped.  A visual check of the bag confirms it’s 75% full and changing it out restores the performance.  So I don’t find that implementation useful at all.

Well to each his own... I rather like the indicator and while it’s not a hammer in the head “change this bag now” statement, if you monitor it’s action, it is a litmus test as to how far you’ve travelled down the “is this bag almost filled” road.
While a speedometer doesn’t prevent you from exceeding the speed limit, it is a nice option and certainly better than no speedometer at all.
I’m old enough to remember when wind shield wipers, wind shield washers and seat belts were all additional extra cost options on a car.
So maybe this “bag getting full” feature on a vacuum comes under that jurisdiction...good ideas that just need to wait out their time and at some time become adopted as “finally the time has arrived” for this idea. Just a thought... [big grin]


Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2018, 10:33 AM »
I’m with @Cheese sure would like to know the bag is getting full before it becomes a brick on the CT 22 with it’s stupid rigid pipe into the bag design. When using that vac for sanding there is still enough suction (especially if you’re at the end of a project and working with fine grits and lower suction) that there isn’t even a subtle indication that the bag is full. And when the bag is packed tight with dust (especially when the dust is reinforced with planer shavings) you aren’t getting that bag out until you’re run a long auger into that stupid pipe.



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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2018, 01:39 PM »
Pulling a "bricked out" bag out of a CT 22 is futile. It's only happened a couple of times but I remember it like it was yesterday.

Even worse, is trying to remove a 15 gallon "bricked out" bag from a Milwaukee stainless R2D2 vac. It's impossible, I don't even attempt it, I just take a knife to the bag and start to scoop debris with my hands. What a mess...  [crying]

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2018, 06:26 PM »
Broke down and ordered mine today.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #110 on: September 14, 2018, 04:43 PM »
No thank you. I don't want to void the warranty on my vac on account of static electricity building up and frying the electronics. I'll stick with my Oneida UDD that has the built-in static conductive components.  [big grin]

I think I read somewhere that the sys-cyclone has a static conductive pathway.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #111 on: September 15, 2018, 12:09 PM »
Im with Cheese and Michael K to. I want to know when the bags getting full. Hate being in the middle of project then lose suction bc the bag is bricked and dust going everywhere. Then I have to stop empty the bag clean up the mess before i go on. This with the box makes life easier that way.

plus If I get a real large job I can just get some more bins. Pop one out pop one in ad go on.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #112 on: September 15, 2018, 01:02 PM »
OK one last video. I vacuum up 25 pounds of saw dust then weigh the bag and cut it open to show you what made it into the bag.
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« Reply #113 on: September 15, 2018, 01:37 PM »
OK one last video. I vacuum up 25 pounds of saw dust then weigh the bag and cut it open to show you what made it into the bag.

Well that pretty much says it all.  Impressive indeed !  Thank you Don.

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« Reply #114 on: September 15, 2018, 01:43 PM »
That is impressive!  Thank you for sacrificing that brand new bag as well.
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« Reply #115 on: September 15, 2018, 05:40 PM »
That definitely makes up my mind. I will be buying from Anderson since Don took the time and materials to do a demo.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #116 on: September 15, 2018, 06:00 PM »
Thanks 🙏 for the demo Don...that was pretty impressive.




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« Reply #117 on: September 15, 2018, 08:06 PM »
Thank you Don!  That was very helpful!  This is worse than a real world scenario because you’re flooding the cyclone with dust.  I would not have been surprised to see more in the bag under these conditions.  These results are far better than I would have expected.  Thanks for sacrificing the bag, now if you’ll just post your address you’ll receive a lifetime supply from all the grateful FOG members!   [tongue]
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #118 on: September 15, 2018, 09:21 PM »
@RKA  Yah I've been throwing things at this for a month now, And it been blowing my mind how well it works. And I have already over filled the cyclone ( Not paying attention …… Hickory live edge slab making it flat with the 850 planer ) I didn't think the bag would be that hard to cut. And after 14 years of trying to make a bag last as long as possible 1st CT 22 and after CT 26 bag  cutting a good bag open hurt LOL !!!!! This thing has amazed me !!!! I film these real time and it's still does better then I thought it would. Glad this helps !!!!! I am having fun making the video's !!!!
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #119 on: September 15, 2018, 11:46 PM »
Thanks for doing this Don. A lotof folks were getting hung up with loss of suction, but this video clears that up. Who cares if there is a little loss , it does a great job. Come on Santa....

Oh nice knife to  [big grin]

See ya next month at the road show