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CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« on: July 09, 2018, 01:17 PM »
Coming October 1 to North America

CT CYCLONE
Less time changing Filter Bags. More time for doing what matters.
The new CT pre-separator with cyclone technology

For craftsmen who work with large volumes of dust and debris, the CT CYCLONE pre-separator is the simplest answer for increasing the efficiency of your CT Dust Extractor and minimizing its lifetime cost of ownership — all within a compact solution that fits seamlessly into the Festool mobility system. Compliant with OSHA’s Table 1 when used with a HEPA-certified CT Dust Extractor*, the CT CYCLONE is an anti-static** three-step filtration system that separates and collects large debris and coarse dust before it reaches the mobile dust extractor — decreasing the number of filters and dust bags that you’ll need to purchase to keep your CT running smoothly. Additionally, the CT CYCLONE reduces the overall dust load on the main filter and ensures consistently high suction power throughout the work process. Compatible with all CT Dust Extractors, it is a highly portable and compact cyclone solution that can be easily transported to wherever your work takes you.

-  When used with a HEPA-certified CT Dust Extractor, the CT CYCLONE is in full compliance with OSHA’s Table 1 rule for silica dust. Applications and details coming soon to festoolusa.com/osha
-  By removing larger dust and debris before it fills your filter bag, the CT CYCLONE reduces how often you need to replace filter bags and filters — saving you both time and money.
-  Engineered with a unique flat cyclone design to minimize necessary space, the CT CYCLONE fits securely within the Festool SYSTAINER modular storage system — allowing for easy storage and transportation.

CT CYCLONE
CT-VA-20
Item no: 204083
Catalog Price: $375 USD / $480 CAN

*Consult festoolusa.com/osha for applications and details.
** Anti-static system is effective only when used with anti-static design (Festool’s CT series) Dust Extractors.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2018, 01:20 PM by Festool USA »

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2018, 01:21 PM »
Can't wait!!!!!
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2018, 01:27 PM »
I like it...

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2018, 01:28 PM »
So happy to see it's coming to NA in a very timely manner, too!  [smile] [smile] [smile]

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2018, 01:55 PM »
What took you so long?   [smile]

I'm surprised that the hose between cyclone and CT isn't a larger diameter. And those 90 degree fittings are too tight a bend for my liking, but they do make for a more compact setup.

The way the hose going to the tool comes out of the front, it looks like it will be an awkward fit with a Boom Arm.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2018, 02:00 PM »
Finally Table 1 compliance

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2018, 04:21 PM »
Available for pre-order, free shipping.  [wink]
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2018, 04:37 PM »
Curious how it meets Table 1 compliance... at least as shown, it's using a plastic liner bag on a CT 36 AC, which while capable of handling a HEPA filter, I believe is not rated as HEPA? So I'm assuming to reach Table 1 compliance you have to use the cyclone with the non-AC model?

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2018, 05:24 PM »
The product description first says compatible with all CT dust collectors and then says it can't be used with the CT-SYS, MINI, or MIDI - I guess they use the US Cellular providers definition of "Unlimited".

But I don't understand why it can't be used with the MINI or MIDI - is it simply that the connecting hose is a little too short given that it gets plugged underneath the systainer?

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2018, 05:46 PM »
No thank you. I don't want to void the warranty on my vac on account of static electricity building up and frying the electronics. I'll stick with my Oneida UDD that has the built-in static conductive components.  [big grin]

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2018, 07:07 PM »
The way the hose going to the tool comes out of the front, it looks like it will be an awkward fit with a Boom Arm.
The boom arm extension hose is 5ft. I would guess it will wrap around to the back no problem. As shown in this photo the length of the 3.5m hose should still work with the cyclone mounted backwards. (Note: I haven't bought a boom arm setup and am speculating.)



Question: I might have missed it but can the "clear bucket" part be left out and just use the lower systainer part as the bucket, making it more compact, albeit with a more limited container size? (Still utilizing a bag.) Better for road warriors and all...

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2018, 07:15 PM »
But I don't understand why it can't be used with the MINI or MIDI - is it simply that the connecting hose is a little too short given that it gets plugged underneath the systainer?
Me neither. They are all equally untistatic. What's the problem?

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2018, 07:47 PM »
Looks good.  Any word on if it will be compatible with the WCR 1000?

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2018, 08:25 PM »
Just a thought.
Shouldn't the cyclone section go between the tub and the motor section of the CT? Then it'll drop dust straight into the tub. Of course the intake of the tub will need to be closed and the cyclone section will have its own intake. Don't all CT series, have the same tub opening shape and dimensions (interchangable)?
In the current configuration the CT tub is not utilized (almost), most of the dust goes into this awkward and mostly redundant tower.
While at it, I'd make the cyclone itself more efficient. >99% is easily achievable. Yes, an efficient cyclone puts more drag on the system, but I'd rather spend the energy there than on pulling air through redundant box, stretch of hose, and two elbows.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2018, 08:59 PM by Svar »

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2018, 11:51 PM »
Looks good.  Any word on if it will be compatible with the WCR 1000?
Fully compatible. Even says so in the listing on the Festool products website. Imagine that.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 12:14 AM »
Just a thought.
Shouldn't the cyclone section go between the tub and the motor section of the CT? Then it'll drop dust straight into the tub. Of course the intake of the tub will need to be closed and the cyclone section will have its own intake. Don't all CT series, have the same tub opening shape and dimensions (interchangable)?
In the current configuration the CT tub is not utilized (almost), most of the dust goes into this awkward and mostly redundant tower.
While at it, I'd make the cyclone itself more efficient. >99% is easily achievable. Yes, an efficient cyclone puts more drag on the system, but I'd rather spend the energy there than on pulling air through redundant box, stretch of hose, and two elbows.

So you are saying that the existing tub on a CT would be divided into a portion with a new bag size and a portion to take the larger particles and chips?

CT26 and CT36 are the same upper part. CT Mini and Midi are the same upper part. CT48 is larger.  CT22 and CT33 have the same upper part.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 12:24 AM »
Just a thought.
Shouldn't the cyclone section go between the tub and the motor section of the CT? Then it'll drop dust straight into the tub. Of course the intake of the tub will need to be closed and the cyclone section will have its own intake. Don't all CT series, have the same tub opening shape and dimensions (interchangable)?
In the current configuration the CT tub is not utilized (almost), most of the dust goes into this awkward and mostly redundant tower.
While at it, I'd make the cyclone itself more efficient. >99% is easily achievable. Yes, an efficient cyclone puts more drag on the system, but I'd rather spend the energy there than on pulling air through redundant box, stretch of hose, and two elbows.
So you are saying that the existing tub on a CT would be divided into a portion with a new bag size and a portion to take the larger particles and chips?
Seth
Cyclone section can contain a small 2-3 liter bag. We are talking about miniscule amount of dust making it through. At least this was my experience with cyclones. I understand its getting complicated, but Festool solution is just awkward.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 12:26 AM »
Wouldn't it have been simpler and better for transport if the top (cyclone portion) systainer just connected to a sys-5 somehow for the collection bin? Heck, even make the bottom sys-5 clear so you can get the same visibility effect and allow liners inside of it.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2018, 12:48 AM »
Wouldn't it have been simpler and better for transport if the top (cyclone portion) systainer just connected to a sys-5 somehow for the collection bin? Heck, even make the bottom sys-5 clear so you can get the same visibility effect and allow liners inside of it.

  At least one person has built a collection bin from a regular Systainer with a cyclone on top (same idea as the DD for Festool unit). They had to line the inside of the Systainer with plywood to keep the sides from collapsing. As I recall it worked out.

  I think there are trade offs with the design. If the collection bin is a Systainer in size and footprint they stack and transport like any other Sys. But then they would not nest like the bin as shown for compact transport / carrying of a whole bunch of empty bins. If I just had one bin I'd want to be a Systainer. If I had three, five or more I'd want them to nest.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2018, 06:25 AM »
My view on it in the other topic. TL;DR: I'm not impressed, to put it mildly.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2018, 06:27 AM by Gregor »

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2018, 10:26 PM »
If they're running a bag in the dust bin, what keeps it from getting sucked up.
I don't see how they are addressing that though they must be somehow.

The only two ways I know of are:

1.) a wire frame that sits inside the bag to keep it from being drawn in or
2.) the method that Oneida uses (and may have patented) and that is to
     equalize the pressure inside and outside the bag using a small 1/4" hose
     that pulls a vacuum on the outside of the bag equal to that on the inside.

This works very well on the Oneida UDD and I bet one could rig up the
same setup on just about any vac.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2018, 10:22 PM »
UPS Tracking said I'll get "MY " Demo Monday 8/6/18. I'll make a video after work and post. Ro sanders to 850 plainer. I'm going to try and put it on a CT 26 with boom arm and Work station. New Toy's !!!!!!!
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2018, 05:08 AM »
Wouldn't it have been simpler and better for transport if the top (cyclone portion) systainer just connected to a sys-5 somehow for the collection bin? Heck, even make the bottom sys-5 clear so you can get the same visibility effect and allow liners inside of it.

  At least one person has built a collection bin from a regular Systainer with a cyclone on top (same idea as the DD for Festool unit). They had to line the inside of the Systainer with plywood to keep the sides from collapsing. As I recall it worked out.

   Seth

It was me that fitted a Dust Commander Cyclone into a Sys5.

After my first initial trials with it out on site, there are a few air leaks due to the fact that the plywood lid isn't 100% airtight. I have already made a Mk2 version of the ply drop box that is hopefully going to be more efficient but have yet to try it out as the Mk1 still captures at least 90% of the fine dust I produce.

The size of my drop box is not as large as the containers appear to be on the Festool CT Cyclone (10 or 12 litres at a guess...?) and obviously, that can be rather limiting if you are producing larger quantities of material, such as chippings from a planer/thicknesser. As the majority of what I cut and machine out on site is man made board & sheet materials with fine dust, I check the drop box regularly and empty it.Ive never managed to fill it to overflowing as yet.

It does fit on a Midi though,....as you can see from the pictures in the other thread!  [big grin]

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2018, 02:03 PM »
It's here !!!! Came in about half hour ago. I have it hooked up and it works Great !!!!!
I'll make a video after work tonight !!!!!
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2018, 03:53 PM »
That's a slick setup with the workcenter.  The Deluxe Dust Deputy is too tall to work with the workcenter.
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2018, 06:45 PM »
I saw this video yesterday: 



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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2018, 11:23 PM »
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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2018, 04:04 AM »
Thanks for the great live/candid, hands on video Don!

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2018, 09:05 AM »
Many thanks for the real life demo.  As a pre-seperator, it sure looks like it is doing the job well.  While I do like my dust deputy very much, the Festool modular design is an excellent design and I like the ability to use it in the compact arangement as well as with the taller bins.  I think this would be an excellent set up if paired with my CTL-SYS.

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Re: CT CYCLONE Pre-Separator: Coming to NA on October 1
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2018, 09:10 AM »
I have three Oneidas that work great at my stationary tools, I'll be getting the Festool for in my van.