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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #120 on: August 02, 2013, 05:38 PM »
Eric,
Thanks for taking the time to put together these videos!  I've reviewed them once as an introduction which was enough to push me into ordering a 1400 and LR32 kit.  I'm going back through them a second and third time as I try to formulate a plan and design.  If all goes well I'll have new custom cabinets in the basement and garage.  Hopefully eventually the master bedroom closet will get something as well.  If all doesn't go well, I might need to build a fireplace, but that may need to happen either way, depending on how many cabinets I have to built before I understand the nuances.  :)  Thanks again!


RKA  You only watched them 3 times?  [tongue]

   So if you're gonna build a fireplace, does that mean your a better brick layer then a woodworker?   [tongue]   [poke]

Have fun with the OF1400 router and LR32 system.  And if you can, post pics of what you build!  I love see what guys make, even if it's a simple cabinet.

Now lock yourself in your house and watch the videos all weekend.  Just make sure you have plenty of pizza, beer and chips before you lock the doors!


Eric

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Offline rnt80

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #121 on: August 02, 2013, 06:18 PM »
Eric, sittin on my butt after surgery and finally got a chance to watch your videos.  Not only is the content excellent but your manner of explaining the material is superb.  Nice job.
Russell Tribby
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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #122 on: August 02, 2013, 09:28 PM »
Eric, sittin on my butt after surgery and finally got a chance to watch your videos.  Not only is the content excellent but your manner of explaining the material is superb.  Nice job.


Russell, 

   Thanks for the kind words.  Hope you have a speedy recovery.  What kind of surgery are you talking about?  If you're sitting on you butt, I'm guessing it's not the old snip snip down below.   [crying]    Unless you're sitting on a bag of ice  [eek]

Eric

Offline rnt80

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #123 on: August 02, 2013, 11:10 PM »
I had my right hip replaced.  At the ripe young age of...almost 38...I have two artificial hips.  I had my left hip resurfaced six years ago and my right hip replaced on Monday.  Pretty humbling to say the least.  I meant to ask, do you ever actually use your tools?!?  They all look, including your hoses, like they're in top shape.
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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #124 on: August 03, 2013, 08:12 AM »
I had my right hip replaced.  At the ripe young age of...almost 38...I have two artificial hips.  I had my left hip resurfaced six years ago and my right hip replaced on Monday.  Pretty humbling to say the least.  I meant to ask, do you ever actually use your tools?!?  They all look, including your hoses, like they're in top shape.


Hip replacement at 38  [eek]   [scared]  How long do you have to lay around the house catching up on reruns of  sex in the city and  friends episodes?
Although I did come across some old episodes of New Yankee workshop on Youtube a couple days ago.  It's always fun watching Norm even with the old tools he uses. 

Dare I ask how you came about needing new hips? 

As for using my tools.  Yes, I use them.  I'm only a hobbyist so I don't get too use them as much as I would like.  Plus, I try to keep them clean.  I'm a bit of a neat freak and I hate having dust on things.  So Festool is a perfect fit for my mild case of OCD.   [embarassed]
The hose you can see i the video is a fairly newer hose.  It's been hanging from my ceiling since I got it so it doesn't see much ground contact.
The original hose that came with the CT Midi is a little beat up, which is why I wanted a longer hose so I could get it off the ground.


Get some rest buddy.  I hope you have a speedy recovery and the new hips improve your golf game.   [wink]

Eric

Offline cliffp

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #125 on: August 03, 2013, 08:21 AM »
Eric, thanks for your reply about inset doors. The design I was going to copy:

http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-henry-3-door-3-drawer-sideboard/p231432427?kpid=231432427&s_kenid=65821c18-bdbf-9509-9b85-00000b9bb58b&s_kwcid=ppc_pla&tmad=c&tmcampid=73

wouldn't work (unless I am missing something) so I might have a go and just be careful.

Thanks to your videos, I am going to buy the LR32 set. I hope Festool will give you some other tools to review!
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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #126 on: August 03, 2013, 08:31 AM »
Cliff,

  They want 800 for that piece  [scared]

When you zoom in on the pic you can see the gaps are not even and the right door is not cut square.  The right drawer gap is different then the rest.

I can see why you want to make your own.  I'm sure the one you build will have much better results.

Good luck with your build. Have fun and please share the experience with post and pics!

Eric

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #127 on: August 03, 2013, 08:36 AM »
Cliff,

  They want 800 for that piece  [scared]

When you zoom in on the pic you can see the gaps are not even and the right door is not cut square.  The right drawer gap is different then the rest.

I can see why you want to make your own.  I'm sure the one you build will have much better results.

Good luck with your build. Have fun and please share the experience with post and pics!

Eric


Eric, that 799 is Pounds Sterling - or $1221.35 in US Bucks.   [jawdrop]   For that kind of money, the gaps should be consistent and the drawer fronts and door panels bookmatched. 

- Willy -

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Offline otis04

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #128 on: August 03, 2013, 08:50 AM »
This thread reminds me, thanks for the LR 32 series of videos, they were excellent and I made my first set of upper cabinets for my garage.

Thanks again,

Chris

Offline RKA

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #129 on: August 03, 2013, 10:42 AM »
RKA  You only watched them 3 times?  [tongue]

   So if you're gonna build a fireplace, does that mean your a better brick layer then a woodworker?   [tongue]   [poke]

Have fun with the OF1400 router and LR32 system.  And if you can, post pics of what you build!  I love see what guys make, even if it's a simple cabinet.

Now lock yourself in your house and watch the videos all weekend.  Just make sure you have plenty of pizza, beer and chips before you lock the doors!


Eric

That reminds me, I think you are obligated to produce a brick laying video...please let me know when it's done! :)

Quick question, if I'm building two wall mounted cabinets that will sit adjacent to one another and both have full overlay doors, how much gap should I leave between the edge of the cabinet side and the edge of the door?  Do the hinges require a certain amount of clearance behind the door panel or am I just ensuring the same gap uniformity between all door and drawer panels?
-Raj

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #130 on: August 03, 2013, 02:43 PM »
Quick question, if I'm building two wall mounted cabinets that will sit adjacent to one another and both have full overlay doors, how much gap should I leave between the edge of the cabinet side and the edge of the door?  Do the hinges require a certain amount of clearance behind the door panel or am I just ensuring the same gap uniformity between all door and drawer panels?

The most common standard is a 1.5mm reveal on each side of the door/drawer front which compensates for potential interference between doors and drawer faces, not to mention eliminating the need for a 3-4° bevel on the non-hinged door edge.  The hinges are designed to pull the door backs against the cabinet sides when the doors are closed.   

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Offline RKA

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #131 on: August 03, 2013, 10:36 PM »
Perfect, thanks!
-Raj

Offline FOGNewbie

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #132 on: August 09, 2013, 06:55 PM »
First Thanks Eric for the great videos! I am hoping to build by following the video soon.

Second, Does anyone know if they pulled the LR 32 calibration video on YouTube? I know that Steve Bace made one, but it looks like it was taken down.

Offline sakurama

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #133 on: August 12, 2013, 10:45 AM »
First of all Eric, thanks for the videos, they were very helpful and explained a lot. I got the LR32 to build my cabinets and wanted to warm up with my garage cabinets first and then move onto my kitchen in a few weeks.

A couple of questions. As I do more and more research on this it becomes more confusing as the 32mm "standard" seems to have a few interpretations. I've found True32 and KISS II and others and they all seem to have a slightly different take on reveals and such. Is there one that is most aligned with the LR32? Since I'm using that I'd like to find the best system to use that works with that.

When you're using the rail on cabinet parts the end stops both touch the panel - but for doors there's the reveal of 3mm (or 6mm depending on what system) so how do you account for that? I'm a little confused since the panel will be smaller but using the end stop would seem to indicate from a "true" edge and not the smaller size.

Anyway, if you or anyone could elaborate and perhaps point me to a source of more info that would be helpful. The charts from the KISS system are nice as they give the 32mm divisions with equivalent standard sizes so I can get my head around it. I'm sure once I start cutting and making the first cabinet it would all make sense but it's that first step that is intimidating.

Lastly, I'd like to add my vote to a video where you build an entire cabinet. It would be nice to see the process with all Festool. Especially the drawers.

Gregor
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #134 on: August 12, 2013, 01:45 PM »
When you're using the rail on cabinet parts the end stops both touch the panel - but for doors there's the reveal of 3mm (or 6mm depending on what system) so how do you account for that? I'm a little confused since the panel will be smaller but using the end stop would seem to indicate from a "true" edge and not the smaller size.

I made some 1.5mm-thick shims from UHMW plastic specifically for use when working with doors that are cut 3mm shorter than the cabinet length.  I use one as a spacer at each end of the door when working with the LR 32 to bore hinge cup holes. 

- Willy -

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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #135 on: August 19, 2013, 07:52 PM »
Okay guys,

 I have received more request then I would expect for a complete build.   I guess I want to gauge the level of interest for the  videos.

I'm willing to make more videos but I don't want to repeat material that is already available.

I would be more then happy to build a base kitchen cabinet and record my process.  The Festools that would be used would consist of the following.

TS55 saw, P-guides, OF1400 router, MFK700 router, MFT/3, Baby domino (DF500), CXS drill, C15 drill, maybe a sander or 3, LR32 system, Kapex and

one or two Festool tools I may be forgetting.

Honestly, I don't know what you guys want to see that is not already available.   So I would want to try to focus on something that may not be

available on video, or maybe something that is not clear to maybe help you better understand. 

I personally have no use for a base cabinet.  But I'm willing  to produce some  videos of a full build if it helps guys out.

I'm sure  the pros have no use for my  videos, so this would probably be  more for the hobbyist like myself.  But if a pro cabinet maker could give

some direction of what I should try to cover, that would be great!



So if you want to PM me or respond to this post and try to fill me in on what you want to see then maybe I can work something out.

Just please remember that I work at lease 50 hours a week and it would take some time between videos to produce a series of videos.

So let the ideas flow.......lets see if we can come up with some good video content.


Eric

 

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2013, 08:08 PM »
you cover the 32mm basics pretty well.

 I don't need to see a plywood carcase being built, but others are at a different places than I am. 

things that have always overwhelmed me at times are hardware options. slides, hinges etc. Not so much what brand, but why choose a particular hinge opening over another (95, 110, 130 degrees ) when to add a third hinge etc
reveals,
full overlay, half overlay, etc
balanced vs unbalanced panels
2 door cabinets (sinks)

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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2013, 09:46 PM »
you cover the 32mm basics pretty well.

I don't need to see a plywood carcase being built, but others are at a different places than I am. 

things that have always overwhelmed me at times are hardware options. slides, hinges etc. Not so much what brand, but why choose a particular hinge opening over another (95, 110, 130 degrees ) when to add a third hinge etc
reveals,
full overlay, half overlay, etc
balanced vs unbalanced panels
2 door cabinets (sinks)








See this is what I don't want to repeat IF I don't have to. But willing to if it helps guys out.    Maybe I take building a carcase as an easy task.  But, the next guy may be confused as to how to start with the carcase using the Festool system. And I want to focus on the Festool system for building a base cabinet. 

 Because their are many ways to build a cabinet carcase.  I would be showing my preferred  method  which may  conflict with the next guys method. 

Now for the hinges and slides....this gets my thought process going.    I could buy a couple different degree of hinges and show how it changes the
openings and how they function.  I have a couple different style of drawer slides that I could talk about and use in a video. 

Plus my preferred reveal may differ from the next guys as well.     Cabinet building is such a vast topic it would be darn near impossible to cover all bases.

But, as a community I feel we can come up with something........

Eric

The video I have in mind would be a base cabinet with one drawer and one door.   The drawer would be what is known as a "domi-drawer".   
Using a thru domino as the joinery method.
 

Offline JoggleStick

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2013, 10:31 PM »
Eric, if I may suggest...

Just go ahead and do your thing... Whatever that may be.... You won't please everyone and frankly you shouldn't try to...

Let me give you a different slant and see if this makes sense...

I pay a kings ransom to be a 'member' of a high end business marketing group...

Now, even though I attend in person, I also buy the recordings and replay them from time to time. I may have heard the same recording maybe 5-6 times over a few years... Yet, I can guarantee you I get something 'new' each time I listen to the recording...
The information is the same... The thing that changes is me... I'm in a different place and so 'the penny drops' or the 'lightbulb' goes off... And something else makes sense... That's just how it is...

Same as your vids and people watching them... The audience is always going to be in their own place and time...

Don't give a hoot whether what you're doing has been done before-or not- that's not a concern whatsoever. Making sure your 'story' is complete and congruent is far more important. I like watching tradesmen do what I do... Not to pick fault, but it's surprising the little tips and tricks you pick up...

Don't 'over think it'.... Just do it and enjoy....

Enjoy...

PS. You've already seen how very experienced Tradesman have watched and enjoyed your vids... The positive comments are real... More than a few times someone has said how watching you do something has made the LR32 system seem far less daunting... Just because we own the good gear doesn't always mean we know how best to 'use' the good gear... I say, "Just Do It!"
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Offline Jeff Zanin

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #139 on: August 20, 2013, 06:25 AM »
Your videos are excellent quality and content and I would love to see a complete build as described. 

Anything you could add regarding hardware choices would be a bonus.

As previously mentioned you can't cover everything or please everyone but please don't let that hold you back.  I suspect that even people who have been using these tools to build things for a while are learning things from your videos.

Jeff

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #140 on: August 20, 2013, 07:06 AM »
Eric,

I'll echo the comments above.  If you want to make a video and share, then do what you want to do.  Don't worry if it has been done before or will be done again.  Sharing information is sharing information.  I have watched Brian or Steve or any one of several other Festool guys demonstrate the same thing several times.  Each time I get something different out of it.  That is the beauty of it.  Viewers have the opportunity to watch at their own pace and compare different ways of approaching the same task from different viewpoints.

Peter

Offline RKA

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #141 on: August 20, 2013, 10:11 AM »
I like farms' suggestions.  I'm essentially coming in at the ground floor, so your videos were the first introduction to the LR32 system for me.  After watching them several times over, I think you covered the carcass construction of a base cabinet pretty well.  Hinges, drawer slides, door and drawer construction would be a nice follow up!  On the later two, I'm sure there are videos out there, I just haven't gotten that far (really want to attend one of the festool instructional shows).
-Raj

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #142 on: August 20, 2013, 10:18 AM »
Eric

I agree with the others, you always can pick up something new, I watched the first series a couple of times and picked up different things, guess some of that depends on what your eyes and ears are looking for.  Maybe expanding the hardware part and the "domi" drawer would be good for more in depth videos. 

RKA,

I noticed you are also from NJ, there are 2 Festool Road School events in NJ coming up.  I believe they are September 17 (Hamilton Building Supply) and 19 (Morristown Lumber).
Bryan

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Offline RKA

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #143 on: August 20, 2013, 12:49 PM »
Yes thank you!  I've been keenly watching those annoucements.  Unfortunately burning a vacation day to attend won't work for me right now, and the one in Long Island City falls on a weekend I have to work.  If this day job didn't provide the funds for the green addiction, I'd give it up in a heartbeat!  It just seems to get in the way!  :)  BTW, I'm a few miles down the road from you in Monroe!
-Raj

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #144 on: August 21, 2013, 03:17 PM »
good points about doing what you want interests you.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #145 on: August 22, 2013, 12:40 PM »
Is there a reason you use 16 up and out when Festool says 32 up and out - at least on the lid of LR32 box. Does it matter? As long as you switch when you do the doors this there a difference?

Gregor

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Offline RKA

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #146 on: September 09, 2013, 11:00 AM »
Okay, so I'm a little stuck here, and perhaps this may be good material for Eric's next video?  I'm contemplating design of a base cabinet that would have a stack of shallow drawers and the layout has me a bit puzzled.  It's not hard, just that I haven't done this before, so I need a little hand holding.  This would be used for storage of layout and cutting tools so the inside height of each probably needs to be 3" tops (maybe less if the router bits go in horizontally).  Overall width should be 24-30".  I'm leaning toward the later to accommodate some of the longer layout tools I have.  with an outside dimension of 30", I figure I'll have an inside dimension in the drawers of 26" which is what I'm aiming for).  Ultimately, I would build other base cabinets with larger drawers, shelves and drawers and a continuous countertop over all of them, but I haven't figured out the grand plan yet.  That requires more thinking/planning.

So as I understand it, everything should be multiples of 32mm.  So I would start my pins at 96 mm from the top and bottom edge of the side panels.  Then somehow I need to figure out how many of these drawers might squeeze into the cabinet.  I assume side mounted slides would give me maximum usable space in the cabinet?  Then I need to dimension out the drawers.  How much clearance should I leave between each drawer?  Does it matter where I mount the slides on the drawer box (should they be center mounted or referenced off the top/bottom edge in multiples of 32mm)?  Given the width of the cabinet and # of drawers, should I plan on putting additional horizontal braces inside the cabinet (front and back)?  The sides would be 3/4" ply.  Or should I just use 1/2" ply for the back panel to give it some more rigidity?

Finally, a slightly off-topic question is building drawer boxes.  If I want to use this exercise to practice dovetails (using a router+jig), what size dovetails/router bits should I consider using?  I suspect I'd use 1/2" ply for the drawer boxes, not sure if the bottoms would be 1/4" or 1/2"?  I think I would prefer 1/2" (in case that's relevant).  If I screw up the dovetails, it won't be the end of the world, I'm just using this to store my tools in the basement. 
-Raj

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #147 on: September 09, 2013, 12:03 PM »
RKA,

  I'm not trying to be a smart guy here so please don't take it that way.  But that's the beauty of custom cabinets.

You can customize them for your needs.  You're building shop cabinets so any thing goes in my eyes.  Build them

to fit your needs.

You can drill all the holes you need to make your cabinet work for you.  If you're building a base cabinet that calls for all

drawers, then drill all the holes from top to bottom, bottom to top, how ever you want to view it.  This will give

you the most holes to locate the drawers any place you want with in the base cabinet.   

Only the side panels of the cabinet, doors and drawer fronts should be measured by 32mm.   The drawer box can be

as deep as you need it for a shop cabinet.    The 96mm location is for hinges.  If you're planning for doors then that's

where the 96mm comes into play.

Hope this helps.


Eric

Offline ShawnRussell

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #148 on: September 09, 2013, 12:17 PM »
+1 on start to finish.

Shoot me a pm with your Paypal as well. I am willing to help support the endeavor.
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Offline RKA

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #149 on: September 09, 2013, 04:26 PM »
I absolutely am building this to my needs, but having never built a cabinet or drawer slides, I'm overthinking it.  It's hard to put everything to paper before I make the first cut.  I guess I can build the carcass first, order 6-7 drawer slides and play with them to figure out how many drawers I want to sandwich in there and how to evenly space them out so my drawer faces are all uniform in size and placement.  And the instructions for the slides will tell me how wide I can dimension the drawers?  How about the length of the slides?  Am I ordering slides that are equal to the interior cabinet depth or some increment less than that?  Use 1/2" ply for the back panel for extra rigidity or 1/4" is fine?  (figure 150-200 lbs in drawers and contents inside this cabinet).

Forgive me...I paint inside the lines, measure 5x's, cut once and look at a map before I start the car.  My brain is happier that way, but yes, sometimes that means I'm asking too many questions rather than making dust.
-Raj