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Offline erock

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A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« on: March 16, 2013, 04:42 PM »
Hello FOG members.

   When I first started buying Festool tools I used Youtube for a lot of my research (before I found the FOG).  I have been wanting the LR32 system for a

very long time, but never pulled the trigger on it because of the lack of knowledge on my end of the European 32mm frame less cabinet building method .  

So for the longest time (about 2 years) I searched the web for all the information I could read about the 32mm method.  

I built my kitchen cabinets using the 32mm  method and have a fairly good understanding of how it works.   Since there is a limited amount of information on

the LR32 system in the form of a video,  I decided to attempt   to bring more information available to guys in a video.  

  So this is the first video I produced for a series I have planned.  I wish I had the LR32 available to me when I built my kitchen cabinets.  It would have

saved me a lot of time!  I hope that after some of you guys watch the series, it sheds some light on how the system works and how great the system is.

And for the guys that are on the fence about buying the LR32, I hope the series of videos pushes you off the fence to buy it!   [tongue]

Because it's a sweet sweet accessory for the OF1400 and OF1010.

The videos I have planned will explain the system and give some information on the European 32mm method.  Show how to set up the LR32 system for

upper and base cabinets.  Also to show and explain how the LR32 helps install door and drawer hardware.  Here is the first video.  Please let me know what

you think.  Try not to be harsh  [wink].




                                                                          

 


                                                          This is part 2.  

                                                                        



                                                         This is part 3.

                                                                        



                                                         This is part 4.
                                
                                                                      

                                                          

                                                     This is part 5.
                
                                                                    



                                                     This is part 6.

                                                                  




                                                  The last part of the series, part 7

                                                                   



Thanks!

Eric
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Offline Dave Reinhold

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2013, 05:28 PM »
Nice video Eric

I've still never learned the true 32mm system and I'm looking forward to seeing your upcoming videos.

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Offline builderbob

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 07:04 PM »
Eric, I just watched the video...great job. I hadn't considered dry erase markers, but I do write in pencil all over my rails!  I'll have to try that trick.

Bob
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Offline Sal LiVecchi

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 07:35 PM »
Eric    Great Video, looking forward for the follow up video's for the LR 32 system,

Thanks for this

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 09:14 PM »
Good tips on using the LR32 system.  Can't wait to see your follow up videos.
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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 09:52 PM »
Very good video Eric, Thanks

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 11:53 PM »
Thanks guys!

Dave,  The true 32 method with the LR32 makes cabinet making wicked easy.   Everything goes together like a champ. 


Bob, the dry eraser maker was one of those ideas that came to me while laying in bed thinking about the system......sad I know.   [embarassed]


 
I'm working on editing the next video.    If all goes well, I should have it up and running sometime tomorrow.


Thanks,

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 12:57 AM »
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing  [smile]
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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2013, 01:19 AM »
Great info, Hopefully some day I will pull the trigger and buy the LR32 kit.
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2013, 12:21 PM »


   I finished part two of this series and added it to the first post.

Thanks for watching guys!



Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2013, 01:13 PM »
Nice video!
While watching the 2nd video,you were showing how to register the stops on a "unbalanced"panel,you said to register from the top of the panels.
When i build cabinets/bookshelves,and don't use the 32mm system,i allways register from the bottom of my panels.
I don't know if it really makes any difference,but no matter witch way anyone wants to do it,allways register from the same ends.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Dave Reinhold

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2013, 01:26 PM »
Eric
Nice 2nd video, now hurry and get the third on done  [tongue].

I never built any cabinets or built-ins using the 32mm system. But I do as you suggested and reference off the top of my side panels. The reason I do that is sometimes I cut my panels different lengths so they touch the floor but the top is level. If I referenced off the bottoms the shelves would be Parallel to the floor but not level. So I got into the habit of always referencing off the top.

The beauty of the lr32 system is you can use it to make 32mm cabinets the way it was intended or you can just wing it like I've done and got amazing results.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2013, 01:35 PM »


I never built any cabinets or built-ins using the 32mm system. But I do as you suggested and reference off the top of my side panels. The reason I do that is sometimes I cut my panels different lengths so they touch the floor but the top is level. If I referenced off the bottoms the shelves would be Parallel to the floor but not level. So I got into the habit of always referencing off the top.


Dave
Interesting!  I guess we do things a little different. ;)
I am used to build cabinets and do built-ins that usualy sits on top of a counter top,so i allways make sure that everything is level from ground up.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2013, 02:22 PM »
This is one of those things that one guy can register off the top and another can register off the bottom, yet get the same results.

Since you're using the LR32 for shelving and doors it doesn't matter which end you choose.  As long as you maintain the same end.

AND as long as you do the same end when drilling with the 35mm cup hinge bit.   

I use the top of the panels.  And so I wouldn't confuse any body, I just mentioned that in the video so guys wouldn't get all messed up.



Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2013, 02:55 PM »
Hey Eric, 2nd video was pretty goood. Ya know I never thought of marking the tops of the cab sides to be able to use the system when I mess up and cut a side less or more then 32mm.

In fact I got to go out and try that in a few minutes.

Edited to add: I tried it and it worked me. Thanks for sharing.


Keep'em coming
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 04:17 PM »
Nice videos...looking forward to Part 3.

I've had my eye on the OF 1400 router for awhile now and in your video you show the LR32 set in the systainer.  Do you think it's worthwhile to spend the extra to get this?  I was thinking of just going with the LR32 drilling set and then buy a SYS-1 and the necessary bits.  I don't see myself really needing the through bit (spear) and I also have the quick clamps so using the screw clamps seems like a step back to me.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 05:31 PM »
Nice videos...looking forward to Part 3.

I've had my eye on the OF 1400 router for awhile now and in your video you show the LR32 set in the systainer.  Do you think it's worthwhile to spend the extra to get this?  I was thinking of just going with the LR32 drilling set and then buy a SYS-1 and the necessary bits.  I don't see myself really needing the through bit (spear) and I also have the quick clamps so using the screw clamps seems like a step back to me.



That's your call.   But let me give you something to think about.

the set in the sys1 is $480.  If you wanted to buy a empty sys 1 you would have to buy the insert unless  you don't mind the parts being loose in the sys.

the set by itself                                        $232
the 35mm bit                                              $75
the 5mm bit                                                $30
LR32 end stop (need two) $27 a piece      $54
empty sys 1 (with no insert)                       $63
that all adds up to                                    $454   so you could be saving about $26.   

even if you have two quick clamps, you will want to clamp the work piece to the a table.   The clamps that come with the kit are just as quick to set up

as the quick clamps.   So if you only have one set of quick clamps I would consider getting the LR32 set in the sys.  because it will keep everything

organized in one sys.   Personally, I'm a neat freak, so I like having everything in on place all neat and tidy. 

I think Festool makes the set worth buying.  But that's my opinion.  To each their own.

As for the OF1400,  it's a fantastic router for the LR32.  I'm sure you will love the OF1400.  Plenty of power for just about any task.  At lease for every

thing I have thrown at it.



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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 09:55 PM »


That's your call.   But let me give you something to think about.

the set in the sys1 is $480.  If you wanted to buy a empty sys 1 you would have to buy the insert unless  you don't mind the parts being loose in the sys.

the set by itself                                        $232
the 35mm bit                                              $75
the 5mm bit                                                $30
LR32 end stop (need two) $27 a piece      $54
empty sys 1 (with no insert)                       $63
that all adds up to                                    $454   so you could be saving about $26.   

even if you have two quick clamps, you will want to clamp the work piece to the a table.   The clamps that come with the kit are just as quick to set up

as the quick clamps.   So if you only have one set of quick clamps I would consider getting the LR32 set in the sys.  because it will keep everything

organized in one sys.   Personally, I'm a neat freak, so I like having everything in on place all neat and tidy. 

I think Festool makes the set worth buying.  But that's my opinion.  To each their own.

As for the OF1400,  it's a fantastic router for the LR32.  I'm sure you will love the OF1400.  Plenty of power for just about any task.  At lease for every

thing I have thrown at it.



Eric

I'm pretty sure the set for $232 comes with the base plate, centering mandrel, side (linear) stops and end stops.  All you need to add to that set is the router, rail, clamps and bits. 

I decided to save some money and forgo the set in the Systainer.  I had a Sys one and clamps already.  I used the diced foam to make my own insert.  I think this was a far better value for me.   
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 07:53 AM »


  Brice,  Thanks for correcting me.   I guess I should stop using the Festool catalog as a reference.  Seems like

every time I do, I end up giving out bad information.   [embarassed]

When you look at the picture of just the LR32 set in the catalog it looks like the end stops are not included.

And the discription does not mention them.  So to me it seemed like you would have to buy them in addition to the

set.  Thanks for catching that buddy.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 12:04 AM »


Just wanted to let you guys know I finished part 3 of the series I'm doing.   I added the link to the first post.   Check it out!

I still have a video or two planned for the LR32, so stay tuned.


Thanks,

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 08:33 AM »
Excellent video! The entire series so far has been brilliant and your explanations have been very detailed! I can't wait for the next video

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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2013, 09:30 AM »
Great videos! Really shows the system well.

I have built some cabinets for electronics and find the 32mm spacing to be too far apart ~1 1/4" spaced holes. I find 1" spacing works better and gives less wasted cabinet space. Wish they had an Imperial holey rail with the 1" spacing. Last one I did was using a self centering drill bit and a Woodhaven guide but got way too much tear out on the holes. The router works so much better. Guess I will just have to accept the 32mm spacing.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2013, 09:52 AM »
thanks for taking the time to do this series. I just got into festool and I made the Lr32 a high priority. so far I have done 3 small cabinet jobs and I love this thing and the 32mm system. I wish I learned it years ago. I really like the marker  Idea because I was watching other videos of people using stickers and having 4 or 5 stickers on certain holes and that just confuses me and is a set up for me to make a mistake. some times I go on autopilot and could easily drill holes I didn't intend to. but a wipe away marker is sweet cause I can lay out whatever project is on the table like the uppers and then erase those and relayout for the base cabs. that's something that I count on for me to make the least amount of mistakes.

i do have a question for you though, and hopefully I'm not jumping the gun on part 4. when laying out for drawer slides and using the 5mm euro screws how are you laying out the back hole. is there a certain number for for each size slide that's easy to figure out or do you just measure center of first hole(37mm from front edge) to center of the last hole and lay that out on your panel and reset the parallel guides to that? so far that's what Ive been doing and it has worked out great. my only issue with it is that I generally like to grab a panel and do all the work to it then grab the next panel and so on.  thanks again -John
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2013, 04:16 PM »
thanks for taking the time to do this series. I just got into festool and I made the Lr32 a high priority. so far I have done 3 small cabinet jobs and I love this thing and the 32mm system. I wish I learned it years ago. I really like the marker  Idea because I was watching other videos of people using stickers and having 4 or 5 stickers on certain holes and that just confuses me and is a set up for me to make a mistake. some times I go on autopilot and could easily drill holes I didn't intend to. but a wipe away marker is sweet cause I can lay out whatever project is on the table like the uppers and then erase those and relayout for the base cabs. that's something that I count on for me to make the least amount of mistakes.

i do have a question for you though, and hopefully I'm not jumping the gun on part 4. when laying out for drawer slides and using the 5mm euro screws how are you laying out the back hole. is there a certain number for for each size slide that's easy to figure out or do you just measure center of first hole(37mm from front edge) to center of the last hole and lay that out on your panel and reset the parallel guides to that? so far that's what Ive been doing and it has worked out great. my only issue with it is that I generally like to grab a panel and do all the work to it then grab the next panel and so on.  thanks again -John



   It depends on the style of drawer slides and the length that I'm using.    The Blum under mount don't reach to back of the cabinets and the holes are closer

to the front so I would just pull a measurement off the slide for my hole locations, write it down for future reference.  I have a couple different style of slides

laying around that I plan on figuring out the hole locations for future use.  I should have saved the instructions, because they tell you the hole locations

( if I recall correctly?)   I think what I will do is keep a cheat sheet with the LR32 systainer. 

You are jumping the gun a bit   [wink].    I'm planning on doing a video on base cabinets in the future. 

Thanks for watching!


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2013, 08:22 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?
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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2013, 08:32 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2013, 08:40 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

Ahh yes, that makes sense..I need that MFT table to take this hobby of mine to the next level.  [wink]
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2013, 08:48 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

Ahh yes, that makes sense..I need that MFT table to take this hobby of mine to the next level.  [wink]




  Honestly, the MFT800 is a great work table.   I use it for everything.  I didn't think I would use it a lot when I first bought it.  I had my Kapex on it

for the longest time.  But since I rearranged my shop, the MFT800 has been my most used MFT.   It looks small but can handle all my task. 

If you get the chance check out the Kapex MFT.   I would love to add one too my MFT collection.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2013, 08:51 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

Ahh yes, that makes sense..I need that MFT table to take this hobby of mine to the next level.  [wink]




  Honestly, the MFT800 is a great work table.   I use it for everything.  I didn't think I would use it a lot when I first bought it.  I had my Kapex on it

for the longest time.  But since I rearranged my shop, the MFT800 has been my most used MFT.   It looks small but can handle all my task. 

If you get the chance check out the Kapex MFT.   I would love to add one too my MFT collection.


Eric

I think I need the full blown table for what I plan on getting into. I am wrestling with whether I get my router first of just get the table first. Both would be best, but thats not going to happen right now. It's a sickness I have since I discovered Festool
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2013, 11:36 PM »
Great vids, thanks Eric.

Making my sysports this week, will adjust the height to multiple of 32 now!

Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2013, 03:07 AM »
Great videos and thanks for explaining how to use it in a easy to follow manner.  Getting the lr32 tomorrow

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2013, 10:25 AM »
I have a 1010 on it's way, guess I need to get the LR32 set next [blink]

Thanks for the great, easy to follow videos!
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2013, 11:03 AM »
I have a 1010 on it's way, guess I need to get the LR32 set next [blink]

Thanks for the great, easy to follow videos!

Nice..I want one. Let me know how you like it.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2013, 06:43 PM »
nice job. [smile]
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2013, 10:18 PM »
Good job eric,

Thanks for going through the trouble and spending the time for filming and posting these videos.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2013, 08:55 AM »
   Hey guys....here is part 4 of the series.  It talks about the 35mm cup hinge for the doors.  Enjoy!


 Thanks for all the positive feed back !   [cool]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2gQVWADWq4&feature=youtu.be




Eric

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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2013, 10:39 AM »
What brand hinges/plates do you recommend?  Where do you get yours from?


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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2013, 11:34 AM »
What brand hinges/plates do you recommend?  Where do you get yours from?


Thanks


Michael,

     In the video I used GRASS hinges.  I think the  model is 231.M    it's what is stamped on the back of the hinge. 

My local woodworker store sell them for a couple bucks.  They are just like the Blum hinges.  I'm sure you can find them just about any

brick an mortar store and online. 


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2013, 11:50 AM »
That works fine but for overhead clearances, don't you want your door 1/4 shy of the height of your cabinets?  What  then?

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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2013, 01:20 PM »
That works fine but for overhead clearances, don't you want your door 1/4 shy of the height of your cabinets?  What  then?


Jim,

  Good question !

   I'm not a professional cabinet installer.  So maybe one of those guys can chime in and answer that a little better then me.

But my guess would be if I was to install my cabinets up against the ceiling I would want to use a half overlay hinge or of the like. I wouldn't use

a full overlay hinge if I was installing the cabinets up against the ceiling because I know the drywall/plaster is not going to be perfectly flat and level

with the wall the cabinet is being hung on.  So if you want to hang a cabinet flush with the ceiling then I would suggest using a different overhang with

the hinge. 

  Also, If I wanted to, I could drill the holes for the 35mm cut hinge with the door still in a increment of 32mm and then take a couple mm's off the top and/or 

bottom to achieve some type of clearance or reveal.  But the sides of the cabinets would still have a full overlay. 

  I never planned on mounting the cabinets up to the ceiling, I have 10 foot ceilings in my garage   [tongue]  [big grin].


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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2013, 03:22 PM »
That works fine but for overhead clearances, don't you want your door 1/4 shy of the height of your cabinets?  What  then?


Jim,

  Good question !

   I'm not a professional cabinet installer.  So maybe one of those guys can chime in and answer that a little better then me.

But my guess would be if I was to install my cabinets up against the ceiling I would want to use a half overlay hinge or of the like. I wouldn't use

a full overlay hinge if I was installing the cabinets up against the ceiling because I know the drywall/plaster is not going to be perfectly flat and level

with the wall the cabinet is being hung on.  So if you want to hang a cabinet flush with the ceiling then I would suggest using a different overhang with

the hinge. 

  Also, If I wanted to, I could drill the holes for the 35mm cut hinge with the door still in a increment of 32mm and then take a couple mm's off the top and/or 

bottom to achieve some type of clearance or reveal.  But the sides of the cabinets would still have a full overlay. 

  I never planned on mounting the cabinets up to the ceiling, I have 10 foot ceilings in my garage   [tongue]  [big grin].


Ericveal
Most framless cabinets have a 3mm reveal(top,bottom and sides)So you would need to make the doors 6mm smaller than the box.I have installed cabinets that had doors same height as the box.I had a real problem with some of the bases cabinets because after adjusting the doors some would hang up on the edge of the counter top.
Leaving a 3mm reveal gap allowes for adjustment and looks.
Just another reason why i did not go with the full 32mm kit.I have the BLUM ecodrill jig and finds it much faster to use for drilling the hinges holes.The jig not only drills the 35mm cup hole but also drills the 8mm holes for the plastic insert for the screws.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2013, 08:56 PM »
Thanks Mastercabman,

In the research I have done on the True32 system I remember the 3mm reveal.  That gives you the true zero  reveal.   And honestly that slipped my mind.

I know that with the true 32 method, the doors and drawers should be in increments of 32 +/- the reveal.  But since I planned on installing my cabinets

the way I did, I didn't bother cutting the 3mm for the reveal.  



Eric

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2013, 10:55 PM »
Eric - THANKS for the videos-- :)

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2013, 10:54 AM »
Is the centering mandrel only used with the OF 1010?
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2013, 10:59 AM »
Is the centering mandrel only used with the OF 1010?


I'd recommend you use the centering mandrel with both the 1010 and 1400 router.
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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2013, 12:59 PM »
Reason I ask was that the 1400 is screwed to the base.  Shouldn"t that automatically center it and is there enough play when screwing to plate to allow manual centering?
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2013, 01:35 PM »
Reason I ask was that the 1400 is screwed to the base.  Shouldn"t that automatically center it and is there enough play when screwing to plate to allow manual centering?

Well, there is a very small amount of slop.  It only takes a few extra seconds to to use the mandrel so it's worth it just to be sure none of your holes get out of line.  
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2013, 01:42 PM »
Does the same rule apply when mounting in cms?
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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2013, 04:50 PM »
Does the same rule apply when mounting in cms?

There is no centering mandrel for the CMS, there are mounting rings included to center the routers. 
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2013, 10:05 AM »
Excellent job.  Please continue adding segments.  At a retail level, I have taken this LR32 system back and refunded the money to the customer as they just could not figure it out.   These videos would have met his needs.  Your instructional style is great.

I have done some videos in the past (parallel guides and extensions) and just could not get excited about doing a series on LR32 as I have 3 other technologies to do this including a Delta 13-drill machine, a Blum 5 or 7 hole machine, and off course the plastic guides sold by several retailers.  All have pluses and minuses.

Keep up the good work.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2013, 05:13 PM »
That works fine but for overhead clearances, don't you want your door 1/4 shy of the height of your cabinets?  What  then?


Jim,

  Good question !

   I'm not a professional cabinet installer.  So maybe one of those guys can chime in and answer that a little better then me.

But my guess would be if I was to install my cabinets up against the ceiling I would want to use a half overlay hinge or of the like. I wouldn't use

a full overlay hinge if I was installing the cabinets up against the ceiling because I know the drywall/plaster is not going to be perfectly flat and level

with the wall the cabinet is being hung on.  So if you want to hang a cabinet flush with the ceiling then I would suggest using a different overhang with

the hinge. 

  Also, If I wanted to, I could drill the holes for the 35mm cut hinge with the door still in a increment of 32mm and then take a couple mm's off the top and/or 

bottom to achieve some type of clearance or reveal.  But the sides of the cabinets would still have a full overlay. 

  I never planned on mounting the cabinets up to the ceiling, I have 10 foot ceilings in my garage   [tongue]  [big grin].


Ericveal
Most framless cabinets have a 3mm reveal(top,bottom and sides)So you would need to make the doors 6mm smaller than the box.I have installed cabinets that had doors same height as the box.I had a real problem with some of the bases cabinets because after adjusting the doors some would hang up on the edge of the counter top.
Leaving a 3mm reveal gap allowes for adjustment and looks.
Just another reason why i did not go with the full 32mm kit.I have the BLUM ecodrill jig and finds it much faster to use for drilling the hinges holes.The jig not only drills the 35mm cup hole but also drills the 8mm holes for the plastic insert for the screws.

I have also had this same problem with countertops usually, our upper cabinets many times are held shy of the ceiling to correct for level anyway and we scribe moulding to cover the gap.

I really appreciate this video series and timely too considering I am probably going to purchase the system for my next job. I would appreciate a video on face frame applications as well since they are more common for me.

-Ian

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2013, 08:37 PM »
I am a hobbyist woodworker and spend evenings when wife and I are watching TV, especially in winter, reading posts on FOG.

I have always used my drill press to drill hinge mounting holes and a Rockler jig for shelf pins.  Just picked up the LR 32 and a OF 1010 router and have enjoyed watching your videos on the use of the LR 32.  # 4 video put it all together and I wanted to drop a line or two and say, great job and thanks.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2013, 10:03 PM »
I am a hobbyist woodworker and spend evenings when wife and I are watching TV, especially in winter, reading posts on FOG.

I have always used my drill press to drill hinge mounting holes and a Rockler jig for shelf pins.  Just picked up the LR 32 and a OF 1010 router and have enjoyed watching your videos on the use of the LR 32.  # 4 video put it all together and I wanted to drop a line or two and say, great job and thanks.

John Stevens


Hey John,  [welcome]  and  [thanks]

I hope you get time to  learn the LR32 system and keep us updated on some project you use it on.



And to all the other guys, Thanks for the kind words.  I'm glad you have enjoyed the videos.   I'm brainstorming on the next video that will talk a little about
a base cabinet. 


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2013, 10:29 PM »
Eric

Great videos, nice beanie!  After this series, you should do a video of the drawers you did using the domino and domiplate.  I saved this article, but a video would be a bonus.



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« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2013, 07:51 AM »
Eric

Great videos, nice beanie!  After this series, you should do a video of the drawers you did using the domino and domiplate.  I saved this article, but a video would be a bonus.






Bryan,  I believe BuilderBob did a video on making a drawer with the Domino.  He didn't use the Domiplate.
I think I remember seeing the video on Youtube about 6 months ago. 

If their is enough interest I would do a video making a drawer with the Domiplate. 

And let me publicly say  [thanks]  for the beanie cap!   It's a great community we are part of. The way  guys  reach out and help each other is just fantactic!

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2013, 08:59 AM »
Eric

Great videos, nice beanie!  After this series, you should do a video of the drawers you did using the domino and domiplate.  I saved this article, but a video would be a bonus.






Bryan,  I believe BuilderBob did a video on making a drawer with the Domino.  He didn't use the Domiplate.
I think I remember seeing the video on Youtube about 6 months ago. 

If their is enough interest I would do a video making a drawer with the Domiplate.  And let me publicly say  [thanks]  for the beanie cap!   It's a great community we are part of. The way  guys  reach out and help each other is just fantactic!

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added. Part 4 added.
« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2013, 04:58 PM »


Well, I finally got some free time to record and edit part 5 of my LR32 series.   This video talks a little about a base cabinet.

Grab your cutie with a glass of white wine and cuddle up too the computer with her and watch this one.   [eek]



                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofnq3pQmZgA&             feature=youtu.be


Let me know what you crazy cats think. 



Thanks,
Eric

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I think these videos have been great and really helpful.  What I'd like to see is a real start to finish video how you make a wall/base cabinet - when do you allow for the dimensions of and apply edge banding to the sheet goods?  I wonder if you cut one edge, apply the edge banding, then use that as a reference to cut the other edge?  Is it the same when making your cross cuts?  So are the edges already finished by the time you're making the LR32 holes?  Are you using Domino's for the joinery?  How are you allowing for mounting the cabinets to the wall - french cleat or something else?

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I think these videos have been great and really helpful.  What I'd like to see is a real start to finish video how you make a wall/base cabinet - when do you allow for the dimensions of and apply edge banding to the sheet goods?  I wonder if you cut one edge, apply the edge banding, then use that as a reference to cut the other edge?  Is it the same when making your cross cuts?  So are the edges already finished by the time you're making the LR32 holes?  Are you using Domino's for the joinery?  How are you allowing for mounting the cabinets to the wall - french cleat or something else?


Thanks for the positive feed back.  

I cut all my cabinet parts to size first.  Then I edge band them.  Following the edge banding I use the LR32 system.  The edge banding I use is iron on.

It adds about 1mm.  I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference if I edge banded after using the LR32 system.  

I do use a combo of 6mm domino's with pocket holes.  In fact, in one of the upcoming videos I had plan on showing how the domino helps with assembly.

So stay tuned buddy  [wink].

I mount my upper cabinets and base cabinets the same way.  I recess the backs of my cabinets 18mm, the thickness of the plywood I'm using to build

the cabinet.  That allows me to use a cleat (not a french cleat, because I don't cut a 45 on it).  The cleat attaches to the top and sides of my cabinets

and for me, it's a very strong method to hang a upper cabinet.  I used GRK 3-1/8" cabinet screws to hang the cabinets.

By me using a 5mm back panel for my cabinets it save on 18mm plywood, reduces the cost of the cabinet and reduces the weight of the cabinet.

I thought about making a video showing how to make a cabinet from start to finish, but I didn't think that many guys would be interested in it because

if you search Youtube for cabinets their is a few videos already out.  I'm trying my best to bring new material available to guys.   But, If I get enough

interest from people willing to see a video from start to finish of me using all my Festool tools, I may consider it.  


Thanks,
Eric
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+1 on start to finish. What size euro screws do you use?
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+1 on start to finish. What size euro screws do you use?



Michael,

  I use 6.3 x 13 euro screws.

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Is your source McFeeley's?  I have 5 sets of those adjustable feet, so your next install video will be great.  Thanks Eric.
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Is your source McFeeley's?  I have 5 sets of those adjustable feet, so your next install video will be great.  Thanks Eric.


No Michael,  I go to my local mom and pop woodworking store for my screws and door hinges. 


Eric

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Wow! Good stuff mang!! Music Montages, credits..Loving the progress! And the content is great, I would have no idea what to do with that LR32 thingy, but thanks to you I am interested and following these.
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There are lots of videos of individual procedures and a few of complete cabinet construction.  What makes the complete videos so useful is that nobody builds cabinets exactly the same way so if I watch a complete build video and then your individual procedure video I end up reconciling the little differences between te techniques and I might miss the important aspects of your workflow like the fact that you do the edge banding before you make the LR32 holes.  So while your current videos really have been fantastic I see great value in seeing a start to finish video series of your particular workflow.

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Wow! Good stuff mang!! Music Montages, credits..Loving the progress! And the content is great, I would have no idea what to do with that LR32 thingy, but thanks to you I am interested and following these.


Thanks dude!   All in good time my friend, you will find a reason to pick up the LR32 "thingy" LOL

Just like the rest of the Festool line, just when you think you have what you need, you find a reason too buy more!   [tongue]

And the music comes from the  engineer I work with.  He's working on more music for me too use. 


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There are lots of videos of individual procedures and a few of complete cabinet construction.  What makes the complete videos so useful is that nobody builds cabinets exactly the same way so if I watch a complete build video and then your individual procedure video I end up reconciling the little differences between te techniques and I might miss the important aspects of your workflow like the fact that you do the edge banding before you make the LR32 holes.  So while your current videos really have been fantastic I see great value in seeing a start to finish video series of your particular workflow.



Well, I did buy a sheet of plywood from Lowe's yesterday.   A sheet of 18mm maple originally  priced at $51 I picked up for $25 because it had a couple

deep scratches on it......so, maybe I could use that for a complete build video.  I bought it because it was cheaper then a sheet of 3/4" MDF which I use

for jigs.  Let me talk to my talent agent and check my schedule,   [scared]  [tongue]

I have a couple more videos in mind for the LR32 I want to finish first,  so after that let me think about it.

Thanks,
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G'day Eric,
I'd like to see you do a video on a complete cabinet... For a couple of reasons...

Firstly, as you've no doubt gathered by now, there are many ways to 'skin the cat'... Point being that you've already given us a fair slab of your work-flow. A complete cabinet would help greatly to 'fill in the gaps'. I personally enjoy watching others work-flow as invariably I pick up little tweaks and quirks and whatnot.

Secondly, because you have a very pleasant and natural manner, your videos are enjoyable to watch.

All the best and thanks for your time and effort, it is appreciated.

Andrew
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Eric

These videos are really well done.  Great content and production quality.  Thanks for sharing them.  I'm sure they take a lot of your time.

neil

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Eric

These videos are really well done.  Great content and production quality.  Thanks for sharing them.  I'm sure they take a lot of your time.

neil



Neil,
  Thanks for the feedback.  It does take a while to produce a 10 minute video.  Especially  with my vintage laptop purchased in 2010. 

I'm thinking about upgrading my system.


Eric


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fantastic video series!  you have done a really nice job explaining the 32 mm system. its a great companion to the various books and articles about the system.

I'm waiting for an excuse to pick up the LR32 myself.
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Hi Eric,

Thanks for some great vids on using the LR32. I've got some cabinets to do soon, I think you twisted my arm to invest in the system, it looks great.

I hope you do some other videos using other festool systems, I found these very informative.

Cheers
David
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Offline erock

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Hi Eric,

Thanks for some great vids on using the LR32. I've got some cabinets to do soon, I think you twisted my arm to invest in the system, it looks great.

I hope you do some other videos using other festool systems, I found these very informative.

Cheers
David

Dave
 [thumbs up]      just a little twist!   Once you pick it up and practice with it, please share what you make with it.

Thanks,
Eric

Offline erock

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fantastic video series!  you have done a really nice job explaining the 32 mm system. its a great companion to the various books and articles about the system.

I'm waiting for an excuse to pick up the LR32 myself.


The excuse is you can use it for more then line boring.  You can use it to make a MFT  top or other creative things.  I've used it to make a jig or two !  [wink]

Thanks,
Eric

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Eric,

We need another Video!  I grabbed my Cutie and poured her some Chardonnay.  We cuddled up and I put on your last Video.  She got all bored and wanted to watch Castle!

What's up with that?

I have some Orville Redenbacher all ready to go.   [popcorn]

Sam

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Eric,

We need another Video!  I grabbed my Cutie and poured her some Chardonnay.  We cuddled up and I put on your last Video.  She got all bored and wanted to watch Castle!

What's up with that?

I have some Orville Redenbacher all ready to go.   [popcorn]

Sam

I bet Castle could get into Festool.  And he would love these videos and Beckett would be bored.
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I am really enjoying the videos !

Thanks for doing it.

But have to say...  do you like spinach. LOL
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Offline erock

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Eric,

We need another Video!  I grabbed my Cutie and poured her some Chardonnay.  We cuddled up and I put on your last Video.  She got all bored and wanted to watch Castle!

What's up with that?

I have some Orville Redenbacher all ready to go.   [popcorn]

Sam



[thumbs up]   [big grin]  Good one Sam


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I am really enjoying the videos !

Thanks for doing it.

But have to say...  do you like spinach. LOL


Spinach?  Um....I do in my juice drinks and salads.

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Spinach?  Um....I do in my juice drinks and salads.

LOL, you have arms like Popeye.

I hope I never make you angry :)
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Spinach?  Um....I do in my juice drinks and salads.

LOL, you have arms like Popeye.

I hope I never make you angry :)


OH!   LOL     My other hobby was bodybuilding.  The arms are needed when benching 415 pounds   [tongue]
But those days are over.  I lost the need to push my body to extremes with the dieting and lifting. 


Eric

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The excuse is you can use it for more then line boring.  You can use it to make a MFT  top or other creative things.  I've used it to make a jig or two !  [wink]

Thanks,
Eric

I have a very nice traditional work bench, and  lack of space shop for another table/work surface . I dont know about you, but any flatish spots tends to collect clutter in my shop.
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  Part 6 guys.    This video covers the adjustable legs I use for base cabinets, so it's not going to be for everyone.  But it shows how you can use the

LR32 system for more then just line boring holes in the sides of the cabinets.   I'm still looking for other ways to use the LR32 system and this is

just one example of what I have come up with.   Check it out and as always comments welcome!



Sam buddy, I hope you still have some popcorn available   [wink]






                             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeZaTE34_uQ&feature=youtu.be







Thanks,

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. part 6 added.
« Reply #83 on: May 11, 2013, 09:29 PM »


And just a little FYI.....it was suggested to me that I make a playlist for this series of videos.  So I've done that in case anyone wanted to watch all

the videos in series.    The playlist is on my youtube channel.


Sorry, but I forget who the member was that made that wise suggestion, but you know who you are  [embarassed].


Thanks,
Eric

Offline Michael Garrett

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Re: A LR32 video. part 6 added.
« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2013, 11:03 PM »
Where did you get your guide bushings and router bits.  I have the same legs and wanted to do the same, was waiting on your video.  Good job.  Thanks.
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Re: A LR32 video. part 6 added.
« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2013, 11:11 PM »
Where did you get your guide bushings and router bits.  I have the same legs and wanted to do the same, was waiting on your video.  Good job.  Thanks.

Hey Michael,   You can use guide bushings for Porter Cable routers with the OF1400.

But I bought mine from Woodcraft.

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2004855/7678/1-od-x-78-id-bushing.aspx

And...

http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2004855/7679/bushing-lock-nut.aspx


Router bits from Woodcraft as well. 

Thanks,
Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. part 6 added.
« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2013, 11:17 PM »
Thanks, I'm going to order the 10-pc bushing set from them.
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Re: A LR32 video. part 6 added. part 7 added
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2013, 08:59 PM »

Hello guys/girls.

   This is the last video  for the series of videos I did for the LR32 system.

Please note that this video does not show the LR32 in use, but I wanted to show how using the LR32 a long with the rest of the Festool system

can make building a cabinet Faster, Easier and Smarter.  Plus I'm showing how I install drawer front for European style cabinets.

If you watched the other videos then you know it's a top secret that I may get in trouble for sharing, something the pro's don't want you to know.   [tongue]


I hope I helped some of you guys with understanding the LR32 system a little better.  I got to be honest with you, it feels going doing the

videos if it helps just one guy.  I'm glad I could make them available as a way to contribute to this great community we have on the FOG.







                                                       



Thanks for all the positive feed back guys.   [big grin]


Eric

Offline Michael Garrett

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2013, 09:18 PM »
Yet another great video.  Thanks for the tips.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2013, 10:39 PM »
Eric,

Thanks for this whole great series.

-Dick

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2013, 11:07 PM »
Eric,

Thanks for this whole great series.

-Dick

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[big grin]   [thumbs up]


 I was thinking about trying my luck at adding something like this to the video.  But thought it would be too much trouble for me to go thru.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2013, 06:06 AM »
Eric,

Great set of videos.

Just one thing on the drawerfront connectors - I've found that the Blum ones (295.1000) aren't that great. The metal plate is very thin, and though it's supposed to move in 2 directions, it only really moves well in one.

The Hafele version (part no. 430.90.320) is in my opinion far, far superior. It's bigger (fits a 25mm hole), and has a cast zinc alloy boss inside the plastic that has a much greater surface area and deeper thread. The adjustment is a good 5mm or so in any direction. Because they're bigger and stronger, you don't need to add any extra screws to fix the drawerfront to the box (assuming you use 4 per drawer) therefore making it easier to adjust in the future when the drawer is loaded and has sunk slightly, which they have a tendency to do.



I'd suggest you try one - if you do, I'd bet you won't be using the Blum ones again!

Edit: just had a look on Hafele's US site, and it appears that part is NAINA! In the US they just sell the same one as Blum...
« Last Edit: May 20, 2013, 06:20 AM by jonny round boy »
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2013, 08:05 AM »
Eric,

Thanks for the great series.. tons of useful information and tips

John
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2013, 08:39 AM »
fantastic! Several years ago I've read most of the stuff about the 32mm around then. I never had a chance to really used it in the shop so many aspects I never  really grokked.


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Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2013, 09:13 AM »
Eric,

Great set of videos.

Just one thing on the drawerfront connectors - I've found that the Blum ones (295.1000) aren't that great. The metal plate is very thin, and though it's supposed to move in 2 directions, it only really moves well in one.

The Hafele version (part no. 430.90.320) is in my opinion far, far superior. It's bigger (fits a 25mm hole), and has a cast zinc alloy boss inside the plastic that has a much greater surface area and deeper thread. The adjustment is a good 5mm or so in any direction. Because they're bigger and stronger, you don't need to add any extra screws to fix the drawerfront to the box (assuming you use 4 per drawer) therefore making it easier to adjust in the future when the drawer is loaded and has sunk slightly, which they have a tendency to do.



I'd suggest you try one - if you do, I'd bet you won't be using the Blum ones again!

Edit: just had a look on Hafele's US site, and it appears that part is NAINA! In the US they just sell the same one as Blum...



Jonny you tease !   [tongue]

I was reading your post got all excited then you hit me with the bad news at the end.   Thanks buddy.   



Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2013, 12:29 PM »
Eric.

I genuinely didn't know it was NAINA until after I posted! [embarassed]

Sorry buddy!  [tongue]
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Offline T.Tom

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #97 on: May 22, 2013, 06:48 PM »
I really like your videos and your explaining what and why you are doing different things.  Your videos are much better than some I've seen and those people should put their cameras on a tripod when making a video.  I got sea sick watching and turned their videos off.  I went to the IWF show in Atlanta in 2000 and saw Festool for the first time.  Wish I had become a "Festolic" at that time, but I have yet to purchase.  Hope to change and try Festool soon.  You and others of the FOG are offering good information and I want to build lots of cabinets for my garage.  Made about six cabinets for tractor/auto, lawn/garden, electrical, paint, hardware and may redo them if I become a Festool owner as I see more and more advantages.  Have always purchased the best tools I could afford for any job and I have a VERY understanding wife.  Also have a 40 plus year old daughter who wants a entertainment center to go along with the kitchen table we built for her last year.   You would have been amused watching the daughter routing the table and then combing the chips out of her hair.  A router with dust collection would have saved a lot of clean up of the garage and chips not in her hair, but she loves her table! 

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2013, 09:46 PM »
I really like your videos and your explaining what and why you are doing different things.  Your videos are much better than some I've seen and those people should put their cameras on a tripod when making a video.  I got sea sick watching and turned their videos off.  I went to the IWF show in Atlanta in 2000 and saw Festool for the first time.  Wish I had become a "Festolic" at that time, but I have yet to purchase.  Hope to change and try Festool soon.  You and others of the FOG are offering good information and I want to build lots of cabinets for my garage.  Made about six cabinets for tractor/auto, lawn/garden, electrical, paint, hardware and may redo them if I become a Festool owner as I see more and more advantages.  Have always purchased the best tools I could afford for any job and I have a VERY understanding wife.  Also have a 40 plus year old daughter who wants a entertainment center to go along with the kitchen table we built for her last year.   You would have been amused watching the daughter routing the table and then combing the chips out of her hair.  A router with dust collection would have saved a lot of clean up of the garage and chips not in her hair, but she loves her table! 


T.Tom   first     [welcome]

           second   [thanks]  for the kind words.    If and when you make your first Festool purchase please report back and let us know what you get

and how well you're getting on with it!   May I suggest a OF1010 or 1400 router  with a Ct vac     [wink]   [tongue]


Eric


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Offline fshanno

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #100 on: May 23, 2013, 07:23 PM »
I've used the 25mm Rockler version of the adjustable drawer fittings.  I like them.  If you're hand drilling the holes just make sure they are deep enough before you press in the gizmo because it's almost impossible to get it out if you are proud.  Course that's not the end of the world either cause you can always counter bore with a bigger Forstner bit to get the front to snug up.

On a five piece drawer front with narrow styles you can come close to running out of drawer box.


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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #101 on: May 23, 2013, 07:51 PM »
I've used the 25mm Rockler version of the adjustable drawer fittings.  I like them.  If you're hand drilling the holes just make sure they are deep enough before you press in the gizmo because it's almost impossible to get it out if you are proud.  Course that's not the end of the world either cause you can always counter bore with a bigger Forstner bit to get the front to snug up.

On a five piece drawer front with narrow styles you can come close to running out of drawer box.





  Yeah,  The first time I used them I used a 20mm bit in the cordless drill.  I went to deep!  I had to place tape in the hole for them to fit properly.

Which is why I made up a template so I could use the OF1400 and get perfect depth.   [wink]


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2013, 09:22 AM »
Thanks for the series. It has reenforced my decisions.

The first was getting the LR 32. It is a really useful system.

The second was to buy the OF1400 not the OF1010.

And the third was not to get an MFT but build a workbench with an MFT top.  I'm sure that mobile the MFT is a good choice but in a workshop it just isn't as stable as I want.
Jerome
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Offline markorjack

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #103 on: May 26, 2013, 09:03 PM »
Excellent videos, thanks very much :)

I had already ordered an LR32 set up but now I will know how to use it better when it arrives.

Well done!


Offline sprior

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #104 on: May 28, 2013, 01:10 AM »
erock,

What setup do you use to make the dado for the back of the cabinet (router table, edge guide, guide rail adapter, or something else)?

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2013, 07:14 AM »
erock,

What setup do you use to make the dado for the back of the cabinet (router table, edge guide, guide rail adapter, or something else)?


Sprior,
 
    I like using the edge guide with the OF1400. 

Say for example I'm breaking down a new sheet of plywood.  I will cut 5mm off first to remove the factory edge of the plywood.  Then set up my

parallel guides at 610mm (the standard depth of a base cabinet).  After I cut all the pieces that I need at 610mm I will break out the almighty OF1400

slap on the edge stop and set it up for the dado.  I route out the 5mm dado the full length of the plywood.

After I route out the dado I will take the piece over to the MFT/3, cut off the factory edge on one side.

Flip the piece so I can register off the fresh cut side.  Set the flag stop on the MFT/3 at the needed length and make my first cut.  Check for square by

measuring the diagonals of the board.  If all is well, proceed to cut the rest of the pieces needed.   

I like too route the dado first before I cut the cabinet parts to size.  This way I'm sure the dado's will line up on all four sides.  Having the OF1400

and edge guide for this task makes it very easy to route a dado in a 8 foot long piece of plywood.  I would never try to do that on a router table.  [scared]


Hope that helps.

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #106 on: May 28, 2013, 08:35 AM »
I believe you're in the US, is 5mm plywood easy to get?

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #107 on: May 28, 2013, 08:57 AM »
I believe you're in the US, is 5mm plywood easy to get?


Sprior,


  My local Home Depot has 5mm plywood.  It's called "Tri-Ply" (I believe) it's basically 1/4" nominal plywood underlayment.   I use a Whiteside 1/4" plywood

dado bit to route the dado for the 5mm plywood and it's a perfect fit because it's undersized for 1/4" plywood. 


Eric 

Offline sprior

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #108 on: May 28, 2013, 10:51 PM »
Tonight I bought the OF1400 and LR32 kit and ran home and played with a scrap piece of melamine.  Based on the Festool setup video and having viewed your videos a few times I was able to calibrate the LR32 and drill a sample cabinet side panel and then 35mm door hinge holes all perfect on the first try.  The only thing I fumbled was I centered the router on the base before I calibrated the guide stops so I had to take the router off the base and do it again after - good practice.

Your videos made a complicated system pretty clear, thanks.

Offline sprior

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #109 on: May 29, 2013, 12:43 AM »
If you're willing, I could suggest a topic for part 8 of the series - how does the 32mm system come into play for the drawers?  You showed how you mounted the drawer hardware on the sides of the cabinet, but are the drawer heights also a multiple of 32mm?  How did you work out where to mount the drawer slide on the drawer itself?

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #110 on: May 29, 2013, 06:07 AM »
If you're willing, I could suggest a topic for part 8 of the series - how does the 32mm system come into play for the drawers?  You showed how you mounted the drawer hardware on the sides of the cabinet, but are the drawer heights also a multiple of 32mm?  How did you work out where to mount the drawer slide on the drawer itself?


Sprior,

    First, congrats on the new purchase!  The OF1400 is a great router, I'm sure you're gonna get along with it  nicely. 

As for the drawers, I didn't go over how to make a drawer box because of the amount of different drawer slides on the market.  The style I used in the video require a cut out on the bottom of the drawer for the slides to fit and work properly. 

The drawer box does not need to be a multiple of 32.  But the drawer front does, but minus the reveal you want. I keep my doors in multiples of 32, that way I can use the LR32 to drill out the cup hinges.  But since the drawer fronts don't receive functional hardware I subtract 6mm from my measurement for the drawer front.  Using the base cabinet template that I used in the video ( I believe video 5) I figure out how big my door and drawers will be and where I want to place the center rails.  Usually with the drawer slides they come with instructions so to tell you how much spacing you need for the slides to work properly.  The ones I used in the video stated that I needed to subtract 25mm from my opening on the sides and at lease 25mm from the top.  So doing that gave me the width and height of my drawer box.  Usually, 12mm is subtracted from each side of the drawer width for the drawer slide to work, but it depends on the style of drawer slide you are using.

Please keep in mind that I did not subtract a 3mm reveal for the sides of the doors and drawer.  If I was to install this cabinet next to another cabinet the drawer fronts would hit one another and the doors would also hit each other when I opened them.  So if you plan on having a run of base cabinets remember to account for the reveal for the sides of the cabinets.  Just another reason to play around with the LR32 and get figure out where you need your cup hinges.  My cup hinges were drilled out with the stop rods set at 23mm to put my cup hinge 5mm from the edge of the door using a full overlay cup hinge.  But if I set up the stop rods at 20mm, it will give me a 3mm reveal needed for proper function of the door if it was next to another door.

If you have scrap plywood, I would suggest making a base cabinet side panel template.  This will give  you a good visual on the size of drawer you need.
Also, it will help you locate your multiples of 32 and locate your center rails, if you use them. 

I hope this helps you out.   


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #111 on: June 27, 2013, 12:12 AM »
Awesome, thanks for taking the time and videoing and explaining the LR32 device and system. Sure makes it alot easier to understand.
A couple of questions, does the depth of any cabinet have to be a multiple of 32 or only the height? And why is the back in 37mm and not say an even 40mm? Why such a large inset anyway? Is it so the back side edge doesn't break if it was closer?
thanks

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #112 on: June 27, 2013, 02:26 AM »
Hi the backset is for the hinges,I allow for the back so the holes are equidistant front and rear, purely aesthetics
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #113 on: August 01, 2013, 06:29 PM »
Eric, this is such a great series of videos, you've made the penny drop for me. +1 for a vid from start to finish. Basically because of your videos, I went and got the set so am looking forward to testing it out shortly. Gotta stop looking on here, it breaks my wallet wide open nearly every time!

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #114 on: August 01, 2013, 08:39 PM »
Eric, this is such a great series of videos, you've made the penny drop for me. +1 for a vid from start to finish. Basically because of your videos, I went and got the set so am looking forward to testing it out shortly. Gotta stop looking on here, it breaks my wallet wide open nearly every time!




Acrobat,

    Sorry for helping you pull out the wallet.   [tongue]

At for your first question,  the height is in multiples of 32.  The depth can be what ever you want.  But I know some guys on the FOG use the LR32
not in multiples in 32 with great accuracy.  Just remember to reference off the top or bottom of you work piece.

As for the back row of holes placed at 37mm not 40 is as Festoolfootstool mentioned, for aesthetics.  For a balance look on the panel.

As you will see, the LR32 gives you the flexibility to place the back row of holes where you feel fit.  But the front row should be centered at 37mm from the front edge of the cabinet for most euro hinges.

As for the large inset, I use a 18mm cleat or nailer to install my cabinets.  So I have some meat for the screw to hold on to. 

Keep us updated on the projects you build with your new tools.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #115 on: August 02, 2013, 11:10 AM »
Eric, may thanks for the excellent videos which have shed a lot of light on the LR32 system. One question - when using the LR32 system with inset doors is it customary to use shims between the door panel and end stops to give the required inset?
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2013, 01:11 PM »
Well done video series, Eric!  The videos are just what I needed to get a better understanding of the LR 32 system.  Those feet that you used, are they the Akurum from Ikea?  These are the only feet I have found that resemble the ones you used. 

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2013, 02:53 PM »
Eric,
Thanks for taking the time to put together these videos!  I've reviewed them once as an introduction which was enough to push me into ordering a 1400 and LR32 kit.  I'm going back through them a second and third time as I try to formulate a plan and design.  If all goes well I'll have new custom cabinets in the basement and garage.  Hopefully eventually the master bedroom closet will get something as well.  If all doesn't go well, I might need to build a fireplace, but that may need to happen either way, depending on how many cabinets I have to built before I understand the nuances.  :)  Thanks again!
-Raj

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2013, 05:28 PM »
Eric, may thanks for the excellent videos which have shed a lot of light on the LR32 system. One question - when using the LR32 system with inset doors is it customary to use shims between the door panel and end stops to give the required inset?

Cliff,  To be honest with you I never used inset hinges.   With inset hinges you must be perfectly square with your cabinet boxes and doors.  The clearance between the door and cabinet should be at lease 2mm with a inset hinge.  I much prefer overlay hinges to give me a little more tolerance for adjusting the doors. They are a little more forgiving. Even though I'm using some fine Festool machines, I know I can produce a square box.  I'm just not a fan of the inset doors. 

If I was to use a inset hinge I would  just make sure I always reference the end stop off the top or bottom of my door.   I personally always reference my end stops off the top of the cabinet.  Therefore, I should always reference my end stop off the top of the doors.  But, just like anything else, there are many ways to end up with the same outcome.  Some guys like to reference off the bottom of the cabinet, if you do, just remember to reference the end stop off the bottom of the door. 
I think either way will produce good results.  Putting shims between the end stops and work piece could be a bit time consuming, but that's just a guess, I've never tried it. 


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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #119 on: August 02, 2013, 05:31 PM »
Well done video series, Eric!  The videos are just what I needed to get a better understanding of the LR 32 system.  Those feet that you used, are they the Akurum from Ikea?  These are the only feet I have found that resemble the ones you used. 




Willy,  Yes those are the Ikea  Akurum legs.  You can't beat the price! 

If you buy them and build something.....post pictures of what you built!


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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #120 on: August 02, 2013, 05:38 PM »
Eric,
Thanks for taking the time to put together these videos!  I've reviewed them once as an introduction which was enough to push me into ordering a 1400 and LR32 kit.  I'm going back through them a second and third time as I try to formulate a plan and design.  If all goes well I'll have new custom cabinets in the basement and garage.  Hopefully eventually the master bedroom closet will get something as well.  If all doesn't go well, I might need to build a fireplace, but that may need to happen either way, depending on how many cabinets I have to built before I understand the nuances.  :)  Thanks again!


RKA  You only watched them 3 times?  [tongue]

   So if you're gonna build a fireplace, does that mean your a better brick layer then a woodworker?   [tongue]   [poke]

Have fun with the OF1400 router and LR32 system.  And if you can, post pics of what you build!  I love see what guys make, even if it's a simple cabinet.

Now lock yourself in your house and watch the videos all weekend.  Just make sure you have plenty of pizza, beer and chips before you lock the doors!


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #121 on: August 02, 2013, 06:18 PM »
Eric, sittin on my butt after surgery and finally got a chance to watch your videos.  Not only is the content excellent but your manner of explaining the material is superb.  Nice job.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #122 on: August 02, 2013, 09:28 PM »
Eric, sittin on my butt after surgery and finally got a chance to watch your videos.  Not only is the content excellent but your manner of explaining the material is superb.  Nice job.


Russell, 

   Thanks for the kind words.  Hope you have a speedy recovery.  What kind of surgery are you talking about?  If you're sitting on you butt, I'm guessing it's not the old snip snip down below.   [crying]    Unless you're sitting on a bag of ice  [eek]

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #123 on: August 02, 2013, 11:10 PM »
I had my right hip replaced.  At the ripe young age of...almost 38...I have two artificial hips.  I had my left hip resurfaced six years ago and my right hip replaced on Monday.  Pretty humbling to say the least.  I meant to ask, do you ever actually use your tools?!?  They all look, including your hoses, like they're in top shape.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #124 on: August 03, 2013, 08:12 AM »
I had my right hip replaced.  At the ripe young age of...almost 38...I have two artificial hips.  I had my left hip resurfaced six years ago and my right hip replaced on Monday.  Pretty humbling to say the least.  I meant to ask, do you ever actually use your tools?!?  They all look, including your hoses, like they're in top shape.


Hip replacement at 38  [eek]   [scared]  How long do you have to lay around the house catching up on reruns of  sex in the city and  friends episodes?
Although I did come across some old episodes of New Yankee workshop on Youtube a couple days ago.  It's always fun watching Norm even with the old tools he uses. 

Dare I ask how you came about needing new hips? 

As for using my tools.  Yes, I use them.  I'm only a hobbyist so I don't get too use them as much as I would like.  Plus, I try to keep them clean.  I'm a bit of a neat freak and I hate having dust on things.  So Festool is a perfect fit for my mild case of OCD.   [embarassed]
The hose you can see i the video is a fairly newer hose.  It's been hanging from my ceiling since I got it so it doesn't see much ground contact.
The original hose that came with the CT Midi is a little beat up, which is why I wanted a longer hose so I could get it off the ground.


Get some rest buddy.  I hope you have a speedy recovery and the new hips improve your golf game.   [wink]

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #125 on: August 03, 2013, 08:21 AM »
Eric, thanks for your reply about inset doors. The design I was going to copy:

http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-henry-3-door-3-drawer-sideboard/p231432427?kpid=231432427&s_kenid=65821c18-bdbf-9509-9b85-00000b9bb58b&s_kwcid=ppc_pla&tmad=c&tmcampid=73

wouldn't work (unless I am missing something) so I might have a go and just be careful.

Thanks to your videos, I am going to buy the LR32 set. I hope Festool will give you some other tools to review!
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #126 on: August 03, 2013, 08:31 AM »
Cliff,

  They want 800 for that piece  [scared]

When you zoom in on the pic you can see the gaps are not even and the right door is not cut square.  The right drawer gap is different then the rest.

I can see why you want to make your own.  I'm sure the one you build will have much better results.

Good luck with your build. Have fun and please share the experience with post and pics!

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #127 on: August 03, 2013, 08:36 AM »
Cliff,

  They want 800 for that piece  [scared]

When you zoom in on the pic you can see the gaps are not even and the right door is not cut square.  The right drawer gap is different then the rest.

I can see why you want to make your own.  I'm sure the one you build will have much better results.

Good luck with your build. Have fun and please share the experience with post and pics!

Eric


Eric, that 799 is Pounds Sterling - or $1221.35 in US Bucks.   [jawdrop]   For that kind of money, the gaps should be consistent and the drawer fronts and door panels bookmatched. 

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #128 on: August 03, 2013, 08:50 AM »
This thread reminds me, thanks for the LR 32 series of videos, they were excellent and I made my first set of upper cabinets for my garage.

Thanks again,

Chris

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #129 on: August 03, 2013, 10:42 AM »
RKA  You only watched them 3 times?  [tongue]

   So if you're gonna build a fireplace, does that mean your a better brick layer then a woodworker?   [tongue]   [poke]

Have fun with the OF1400 router and LR32 system.  And if you can, post pics of what you build!  I love see what guys make, even if it's a simple cabinet.

Now lock yourself in your house and watch the videos all weekend.  Just make sure you have plenty of pizza, beer and chips before you lock the doors!


Eric

That reminds me, I think you are obligated to produce a brick laying video...please let me know when it's done! :)

Quick question, if I'm building two wall mounted cabinets that will sit adjacent to one another and both have full overlay doors, how much gap should I leave between the edge of the cabinet side and the edge of the door?  Do the hinges require a certain amount of clearance behind the door panel or am I just ensuring the same gap uniformity between all door and drawer panels?
-Raj

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #130 on: August 03, 2013, 02:43 PM »
Quick question, if I'm building two wall mounted cabinets that will sit adjacent to one another and both have full overlay doors, how much gap should I leave between the edge of the cabinet side and the edge of the door?  Do the hinges require a certain amount of clearance behind the door panel or am I just ensuring the same gap uniformity between all door and drawer panels?

The most common standard is a 1.5mm reveal on each side of the door/drawer front which compensates for potential interference between doors and drawer faces, not to mention eliminating the need for a 3-4° bevel on the non-hinged door edge.  The hinges are designed to pull the door backs against the cabinet sides when the doors are closed.   

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #131 on: August 03, 2013, 10:36 PM »
Perfect, thanks!
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #132 on: August 09, 2013, 06:55 PM »
First Thanks Eric for the great videos! I am hoping to build by following the video soon.

Second, Does anyone know if they pulled the LR 32 calibration video on YouTube? I know that Steve Bace made one, but it looks like it was taken down.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #133 on: August 12, 2013, 10:45 AM »
First of all Eric, thanks for the videos, they were very helpful and explained a lot. I got the LR32 to build my cabinets and wanted to warm up with my garage cabinets first and then move onto my kitchen in a few weeks.

A couple of questions. As I do more and more research on this it becomes more confusing as the 32mm "standard" seems to have a few interpretations. I've found True32 and KISS II and others and they all seem to have a slightly different take on reveals and such. Is there one that is most aligned with the LR32? Since I'm using that I'd like to find the best system to use that works with that.

When you're using the rail on cabinet parts the end stops both touch the panel - but for doors there's the reveal of 3mm (or 6mm depending on what system) so how do you account for that? I'm a little confused since the panel will be smaller but using the end stop would seem to indicate from a "true" edge and not the smaller size.

Anyway, if you or anyone could elaborate and perhaps point me to a source of more info that would be helpful. The charts from the KISS system are nice as they give the 32mm divisions with equivalent standard sizes so I can get my head around it. I'm sure once I start cutting and making the first cabinet it would all make sense but it's that first step that is intimidating.

Lastly, I'd like to add my vote to a video where you build an entire cabinet. It would be nice to see the process with all Festool. Especially the drawers.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #134 on: August 12, 2013, 01:45 PM »
When you're using the rail on cabinet parts the end stops both touch the panel - but for doors there's the reveal of 3mm (or 6mm depending on what system) so how do you account for that? I'm a little confused since the panel will be smaller but using the end stop would seem to indicate from a "true" edge and not the smaller size.

I made some 1.5mm-thick shims from UHMW plastic specifically for use when working with doors that are cut 3mm shorter than the cabinet length.  I use one as a spacer at each end of the door when working with the LR 32 to bore hinge cup holes. 

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #135 on: August 19, 2013, 07:52 PM »
Okay guys,

 I have received more request then I would expect for a complete build.   I guess I want to gauge the level of interest for the  videos.

I'm willing to make more videos but I don't want to repeat material that is already available.

I would be more then happy to build a base kitchen cabinet and record my process.  The Festools that would be used would consist of the following.

TS55 saw, P-guides, OF1400 router, MFK700 router, MFT/3, Baby domino (DF500), CXS drill, C15 drill, maybe a sander or 3, LR32 system, Kapex and

one or two Festool tools I may be forgetting.

Honestly, I don't know what you guys want to see that is not already available.   So I would want to try to focus on something that may not be

available on video, or maybe something that is not clear to maybe help you better understand. 

I personally have no use for a base cabinet.  But I'm willing  to produce some  videos of a full build if it helps guys out.

I'm sure  the pros have no use for my  videos, so this would probably be  more for the hobbyist like myself.  But if a pro cabinet maker could give

some direction of what I should try to cover, that would be great!



So if you want to PM me or respond to this post and try to fill me in on what you want to see then maybe I can work something out.

Just please remember that I work at lease 50 hours a week and it would take some time between videos to produce a series of videos.

So let the ideas flow.......lets see if we can come up with some good video content.


Eric

 

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2013, 08:08 PM »
you cover the 32mm basics pretty well.

 I don't need to see a plywood carcase being built, but others are at a different places than I am. 

things that have always overwhelmed me at times are hardware options. slides, hinges etc. Not so much what brand, but why choose a particular hinge opening over another (95, 110, 130 degrees ) when to add a third hinge etc
reveals,
full overlay, half overlay, etc
balanced vs unbalanced panels
2 door cabinets (sinks)

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2013, 09:46 PM »
you cover the 32mm basics pretty well.

I don't need to see a plywood carcase being built, but others are at a different places than I am. 

things that have always overwhelmed me at times are hardware options. slides, hinges etc. Not so much what brand, but why choose a particular hinge opening over another (95, 110, 130 degrees ) when to add a third hinge etc
reveals,
full overlay, half overlay, etc
balanced vs unbalanced panels
2 door cabinets (sinks)








See this is what I don't want to repeat IF I don't have to. But willing to if it helps guys out.    Maybe I take building a carcase as an easy task.  But, the next guy may be confused as to how to start with the carcase using the Festool system. And I want to focus on the Festool system for building a base cabinet. 

 Because their are many ways to build a cabinet carcase.  I would be showing my preferred  method  which may  conflict with the next guys method. 

Now for the hinges and slides....this gets my thought process going.    I could buy a couple different degree of hinges and show how it changes the
openings and how they function.  I have a couple different style of drawer slides that I could talk about and use in a video. 

Plus my preferred reveal may differ from the next guys as well.     Cabinet building is such a vast topic it would be darn near impossible to cover all bases.

But, as a community I feel we can come up with something........

Eric

The video I have in mind would be a base cabinet with one drawer and one door.   The drawer would be what is known as a "domi-drawer".   
Using a thru domino as the joinery method.
 

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2013, 10:31 PM »
Eric, if I may suggest...

Just go ahead and do your thing... Whatever that may be.... You won't please everyone and frankly you shouldn't try to...

Let me give you a different slant and see if this makes sense...

I pay a kings ransom to be a 'member' of a high end business marketing group...

Now, even though I attend in person, I also buy the recordings and replay them from time to time. I may have heard the same recording maybe 5-6 times over a few years... Yet, I can guarantee you I get something 'new' each time I listen to the recording...
The information is the same... The thing that changes is me... I'm in a different place and so 'the penny drops' or the 'lightbulb' goes off... And something else makes sense... That's just how it is...

Same as your vids and people watching them... The audience is always going to be in their own place and time...

Don't give a hoot whether what you're doing has been done before-or not- that's not a concern whatsoever. Making sure your 'story' is complete and congruent is far more important. I like watching tradesmen do what I do... Not to pick fault, but it's surprising the little tips and tricks you pick up...

Don't 'over think it'.... Just do it and enjoy....

Enjoy...

PS. You've already seen how very experienced Tradesman have watched and enjoyed your vids... The positive comments are real... More than a few times someone has said how watching you do something has made the LR32 system seem far less daunting... Just because we own the good gear doesn't always mean we know how best to 'use' the good gear... I say, "Just Do It!"
It's all in the fits!

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #139 on: August 20, 2013, 06:25 AM »
Your videos are excellent quality and content and I would love to see a complete build as described. 

Anything you could add regarding hardware choices would be a bonus.

As previously mentioned you can't cover everything or please everyone but please don't let that hold you back.  I suspect that even people who have been using these tools to build things for a while are learning things from your videos.

Jeff

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #140 on: August 20, 2013, 07:06 AM »
Eric,

I'll echo the comments above.  If you want to make a video and share, then do what you want to do.  Don't worry if it has been done before or will be done again.  Sharing information is sharing information.  I have watched Brian or Steve or any one of several other Festool guys demonstrate the same thing several times.  Each time I get something different out of it.  That is the beauty of it.  Viewers have the opportunity to watch at their own pace and compare different ways of approaching the same task from different viewpoints.

Peter

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #141 on: August 20, 2013, 10:11 AM »
I like farms' suggestions.  I'm essentially coming in at the ground floor, so your videos were the first introduction to the LR32 system for me.  After watching them several times over, I think you covered the carcass construction of a base cabinet pretty well.  Hinges, drawer slides, door and drawer construction would be a nice follow up!  On the later two, I'm sure there are videos out there, I just haven't gotten that far (really want to attend one of the festool instructional shows).
-Raj

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #142 on: August 20, 2013, 10:18 AM »
Eric

I agree with the others, you always can pick up something new, I watched the first series a couple of times and picked up different things, guess some of that depends on what your eyes and ears are looking for.  Maybe expanding the hardware part and the "domi" drawer would be good for more in depth videos. 

RKA,

I noticed you are also from NJ, there are 2 Festool Road School events in NJ coming up.  I believe they are September 17 (Hamilton Building Supply) and 19 (Morristown Lumber).
Bryan

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #143 on: August 20, 2013, 12:49 PM »
Yes thank you!  I've been keenly watching those annoucements.  Unfortunately burning a vacation day to attend won't work for me right now, and the one in Long Island City falls on a weekend I have to work.  If this day job didn't provide the funds for the green addiction, I'd give it up in a heartbeat!  It just seems to get in the way!  :)  BTW, I'm a few miles down the road from you in Monroe!
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #144 on: August 21, 2013, 03:17 PM »
good points about doing what you want interests you.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #145 on: August 22, 2013, 12:40 PM »
Is there a reason you use 16 up and out when Festool says 32 up and out - at least on the lid of LR32 box. Does it matter? As long as you switch when you do the doors this there a difference?

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #146 on: September 09, 2013, 11:00 AM »
Okay, so I'm a little stuck here, and perhaps this may be good material for Eric's next video?  I'm contemplating design of a base cabinet that would have a stack of shallow drawers and the layout has me a bit puzzled.  It's not hard, just that I haven't done this before, so I need a little hand holding.  This would be used for storage of layout and cutting tools so the inside height of each probably needs to be 3" tops (maybe less if the router bits go in horizontally).  Overall width should be 24-30".  I'm leaning toward the later to accommodate some of the longer layout tools I have.  with an outside dimension of 30", I figure I'll have an inside dimension in the drawers of 26" which is what I'm aiming for).  Ultimately, I would build other base cabinets with larger drawers, shelves and drawers and a continuous countertop over all of them, but I haven't figured out the grand plan yet.  That requires more thinking/planning.

So as I understand it, everything should be multiples of 32mm.  So I would start my pins at 96 mm from the top and bottom edge of the side panels.  Then somehow I need to figure out how many of these drawers might squeeze into the cabinet.  I assume side mounted slides would give me maximum usable space in the cabinet?  Then I need to dimension out the drawers.  How much clearance should I leave between each drawer?  Does it matter where I mount the slides on the drawer box (should they be center mounted or referenced off the top/bottom edge in multiples of 32mm)?  Given the width of the cabinet and # of drawers, should I plan on putting additional horizontal braces inside the cabinet (front and back)?  The sides would be 3/4" ply.  Or should I just use 1/2" ply for the back panel to give it some more rigidity?

Finally, a slightly off-topic question is building drawer boxes.  If I want to use this exercise to practice dovetails (using a router+jig), what size dovetails/router bits should I consider using?  I suspect I'd use 1/2" ply for the drawer boxes, not sure if the bottoms would be 1/4" or 1/2"?  I think I would prefer 1/2" (in case that's relevant).  If I screw up the dovetails, it won't be the end of the world, I'm just using this to store my tools in the basement. 
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #147 on: September 09, 2013, 12:03 PM »
RKA,

  I'm not trying to be a smart guy here so please don't take it that way.  But that's the beauty of custom cabinets.

You can customize them for your needs.  You're building shop cabinets so any thing goes in my eyes.  Build them

to fit your needs.

You can drill all the holes you need to make your cabinet work for you.  If you're building a base cabinet that calls for all

drawers, then drill all the holes from top to bottom, bottom to top, how ever you want to view it.  This will give

you the most holes to locate the drawers any place you want with in the base cabinet.   

Only the side panels of the cabinet, doors and drawer fronts should be measured by 32mm.   The drawer box can be

as deep as you need it for a shop cabinet.    The 96mm location is for hinges.  If you're planning for doors then that's

where the 96mm comes into play.

Hope this helps.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #148 on: September 09, 2013, 12:17 PM »
+1 on start to finish.

Shoot me a pm with your Paypal as well. I am willing to help support the endeavor.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #149 on: September 09, 2013, 04:26 PM »
I absolutely am building this to my needs, but having never built a cabinet or drawer slides, I'm overthinking it.  It's hard to put everything to paper before I make the first cut.  I guess I can build the carcass first, order 6-7 drawer slides and play with them to figure out how many drawers I want to sandwich in there and how to evenly space them out so my drawer faces are all uniform in size and placement.  And the instructions for the slides will tell me how wide I can dimension the drawers?  How about the length of the slides?  Am I ordering slides that are equal to the interior cabinet depth or some increment less than that?  Use 1/2" ply for the back panel for extra rigidity or 1/4" is fine?  (figure 150-200 lbs in drawers and contents inside this cabinet).

Forgive me...I paint inside the lines, measure 5x's, cut once and look at a map before I start the car.  My brain is happier that way, but yes, sometimes that means I'm asking too many questions rather than making dust.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #150 on: September 09, 2013, 05:52 PM »
RKA

Here is how I would build a base cabinet with multiple drawers.

The true 32 base cabinet height is 878mm.  That's from the ground to the top of the cabinet box.  That does not include the counter top.

Subtract 78mm from 878mm to get your 800mm side panel (a increment of 32).  The 78mm is for your toe kick.  78mm is close enough for me

for a 3" toe kick.

So now that I have given myself a 800mm panel I can use that number to decide how many drawers I can get.

One example I will give you is this.

800mm divided by 5 (number of drawers) is 160mm.   160mm is an increment of 32.  So I would make 5 drawer fronts 160mm MINUS a

3mm reveal for the top and bottoms of the drawer fronts.  Making my drawer fronts 154mm for the height. 

Then lets say my cabinet is 400mm wide, finished.  I would also subtract 3mm for each side for the reveal.  Making my finish cut for the drawer front

154mm in height x 394mm wide.

Now for the drawer box,  normally the drawer slides need around 12mm per side for movement.   I subtract 25mm for the drawer slides that I have

used in the past.  So if my finish box is 400mm wide using 18mm plywood the inside of my box is 364mm.  I would subtract 25mm from 364mm

giving me 339mm.  Now I know that I have 339mm to work with for the width of my drawer box.  The depth of the drawer box depends on the slides

I use.  Say I make my cabinet 610mm (24")deep.  The standard depth of a base cabinet.  I would use a 510mm (20") drawer slide, because of the

way I build my cabinets.  I recess the back panel of the cabinet 19mm for a nailer to go behind my back.  I usually use 5mm (1/4") plywood

for the backs of the cabinets.  The nailers (or some guys call them cleats)  keeps my boxes square.

So now the finished drawer box would be 339mm wide by 510mm deep.  The height of the drawer box I would make at most 135mm for this cabinet. 

I like to subtract 25mm from the height of my drawer fronts to give me the height of my drawer box.  This give me plenty of room for multiple drawers

to work together.  BUT, you could make the a little bigger if you want. 


Personally, 1/4" ply for the backs are fine.  You're gonna screw the cabinets to the wall.  Heck, you don't even need full backs if you don't want to

waste the plywood.  Just put a couple nailers (cleats) across the top and bottom to keep the box square and to give you some meat to screw the

cabinet to the wall and your good.  Because the cabinet is all drawers you will never see the back of the cabinet anyways.   [wink]

Eric







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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #151 on: September 09, 2013, 06:44 PM »
Wouldn't the KISS II system work for this?
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #152 on: September 09, 2013, 09:11 PM »
I also have learned much from your videos and watched them several times.  As was stated above, we learn from what others are doing or have done and modify to fit our needs and/or variation that fits our needs.  (I have  thought about ways to incororate face frame methods in to the Euro style and vice vesa).  I don't think anyone doubts you present a good video and you explain why and how in your presentation MUCH BETTER than some others.  You may view this as your hobby, however, you obviously have a passion for your hobby.  To me, the FOG is a place where the exchange of ideas is GREAT for like minded people.  If you find the time Eric, please show your methods and comments  in cabinet building the euro way.  Some of the things that I would like to see are the types of wood, plywood, (oak, cherry, etc..), finish, (brand and/or way you apply them), types/brands of hardware and why you selected them like price or quality of brand or  like we see in the background of your shop.

There are pros on this site, but everyone goes about their jobs or hobbies in different ways.  I like to exchange ideas!!  Harry Reasoner, (commentator on 60 Minutes), was quoted as saying  "I try to stay surpised enough at life to learn something new each day".

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #153 on: September 10, 2013, 12:21 AM »
That's awesome!  You filled in all the little details that have been tripping me up and a few I didn't think about.  Thank you!!!
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #154 on: September 15, 2013, 07:59 PM »
Although the LR32 looks great, wouldn't be a whole lot easier if you had one of these?

Easier way to bullt a cabinet

it would be whole lot cooler...   [eek] [eek]

this one too!

Felder machine
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #155 on: September 15, 2013, 08:39 PM »
Although the LR32 looks great, wouldn't be a whole lot easier if you had one of these?

Easier way to bullt a cabinet

it would be whole lot cooler...   [eek] [eek]


 [eek]   [eek]

Howard,  When do you get this machine delivered to your shop?    [tongue]


What size systainer would this fit in?   [big grin]


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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #156 on: September 15, 2013, 08:51 PM »
well uh... er... um....   [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]  Think I'll stick to my tried and true Green! 
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #157 on: September 16, 2013, 04:36 PM »
Howard and Everyone,

Applied to appropriate tasks in a production situation, line drilling machines can be very effective. However, the stress is on Production Situation!

Back in 1946 when I started making Euro-style cabinets with adjustable shelves, there were no factory-made drill jigs with holes on 32mm centers. I was still working in a machine shop so I used a jig-boring machine to make a 1m long gig from 6mm thick aluminum. That did have replaceable drill jig inserts of I could drill 5mm or 1/4" holes. That served me well until I could purchase a slightly-used line drilling machine circa 1952.

My cabinet shops have always specialized in custom jobs, not production in quantity. Therefore in my us all line drilling machines have proven less than ideal. They were designed for factories. In the Original System 32 standards, no holes were skipped. So nearly always the 25 drills on such a machines were enough. Sometimes the outer drill bits were removed if all you needed were 23 holes. Remember, on a line drilling machine alternate drills rotate in opposite directions, so some are painted orange and others black, so the left-hand bits are put in the correct chuck.

What I found early on was that in custom work hardly ever are all the holes drilled. Most of my customers buying custom cabinets prefer there be few unnecessary holes. That means with a line drilling machine you need to manually remove the unneeded drill bits. Then, and this is very important, after the parts are made using removed bits, those must be put back on the machine. Otherwise what happens is a hole you need will be missing. Trust me, I have made that mistake many times.

Still, I used a then state-of-the-art line drilling machine in my custom cabinet shop from 1960 to 1996. It could drill two rows of up to 25 holes, with the second row adjustable from the fixed row. With that it still was necessary to remove unwanted drill bits, and then put them back correctly.

The time involved in removing bits was not an issue when you made many parts, as in production. But, in custom jobs it is rare to be making more than a handful of identical parts at a time. It is frustrating to remove and then re-install all those drill bits.

So in 2006 when I decided to start another custom cabinet business I felt the Festool LR32 approach made a lot of sense. All I needed to do was make a pencil mark so I could skip holes I did not need. Using  Festool Holy rails, an OF1010 and LR32 system I could make accurately 6 identical custom parts as fast as using a line drill after removing bits.

When I build my current shop I bought two CNC routers. I do use those for adjustable hole drilling when other CNC tasks are being done on a particular part. If the only holes are for shelf pins, I can do that as fast with a Holy rail, OF1010 and the LR32 system.

Sure, if you do decide to buy a Line Drill, those made by Felder are very good and fairly priced. But you should also talk to Stiles, a firm that makes many kinds of line drills. But for such a factory you would need pressure beam saws and similar factory-style machines.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #158 on: September 16, 2013, 05:02 PM »
Actually, I was trying to be very tongue and cheek about it...  ;D ;D
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #159 on: September 16, 2013, 06:00 PM »
Actually, I was trying to be very tongue and cheek about it...  ;D ;D

Howard, actually I assumed you were being tongue-in-cheek, but The FOG being global it is entirely possible some might think owning a sophisticated line drilling machine would solve their problems.

My intention in responding is to explain the limitations as well as benefits of line drilling machines. Used appropriately in a factory they do a marvelous job, but they are labor-intensive in tasks when holes must be skipped. In a custom shop one constraint is that you prefer to assemble cases as soon as possible once the parts are prepared. In a factory it is possible to make a month's worth of parts at a time for assembly as needed. so if it takes several minutes changing a set-up on a line drill, it is not a big deal. In custom work repeat that set-up time a few times an hour is hardly reasonable.

Probably in a factory it would be hard to afford the labor to use the Festool LR32 system. yet in a home or professional custom cabinet shop the LR32 system can be a real money-maker, along-side CNC machines.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #160 on: September 18, 2013, 11:02 PM »
Not to mention it would take a long time to amortize a $100,000+ machine unless one had a high production shop big enough to make a big Format 4 payout.  Of course, some folks who have an unlimited budget like that doctor I saw I believe on SMC who had six figures in Felder, etc. equipment and it looked like it had never been used.  Maybe I saw it originally in Fine Woodworking but wherever it was, it was top shelf.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #161 on: September 28, 2013, 05:14 PM »
Excellent and very well presented, Eric.  I learned a lot.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #162 on: September 28, 2013, 08:36 PM »
Eric,

Great video, keep making them!
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2013, 06:51 PM »
Thank you for making and posting these video's. I'm a "newer" woodworker, and really learnt allot from them. I have a question to the reference of video#4 where the of1400 dust collector wouldn't work with the 35mm cutter, unless a modified? does anyone know if the of1010 dust collector works with the 35mm bit "stock" configuration? or what needs to be done to make it work???
thanks

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2013, 11:43 PM »
Thank you for making and posting these video's. I'm a "newer" woodworker, and really learnt allot from them. I have a question to the reference of video#4 where the of1400 dust collector wouldn't work with the 35mm cutter, unless a modified? does anyone know if the of1010 dust collector works with the 35mm bit "stock" configuration? or what needs to be done to make it work???
thanks

my 1010 works with the 35mm bit just fine without mods, mine is an older unit so im not sure if they have changed the shroud.   the 1400 shroud extends up vertically from the base then returns in horizontally towards the router bit,    the shroud on mine is like a cylinder with no top or bottom

to be sure, just make sure that there is at least a 35mm hole through your dust shroud

hope that helps

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #165 on: October 25, 2013, 08:11 AM »
thanks john, i appreciate the input. it helps allot. where i live, has no festool dealer, and the closest is 1.5 hours away. thats not so bad, but when there, no one knows much about the festool system. the store owner said they will never stock a lr32 system, because there is no demand for it; they had 1 request 2 years ago, in 5 years of business. i wanted to see an of2200, "we dont stock it because our market doesn't need or use it". ct48, same thing. being new to the festool system, it would be nice to actually see the product, and talk to rep's have working knowledge of the system. thanks to some great input from a traveling festool rep(danny) i did manage to get my first order placed for of2200, mft/3, ct vac, and cms. I wonder if I have to buy "blind", and get questions answered only by festool employees, if i'm better off finding a good online dealer? save the sales tax, and free shipping? just thinking about it, $3800 first order, 2 trips x 3hours r.t., gas and over $200 sales tax.

thank you again,
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #166 on: November 24, 2013, 10:08 AM »
Great Videos Eric, I have owned the system for quite sometime but have not had the time to put into the learning curve of using it , the information will certainly save a lot of time if not materials experimenting . Thanks again well done!

Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #167 on: December 28, 2013, 08:23 PM »
The main reason I bought the LR-32 System was due to Eric's videos!

Great stuff Eric.

New to the FOG, trying to get 5 post so I can add a link in my post for the video contest.

Lance.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #168 on: January 25, 2014, 06:48 PM »
Slight thread necromancy but I wanted to say great videos, thanks for making them!  I definitely recommend them to anyone learning LR32!

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #169 on: July 14, 2014, 08:53 PM »
I am somewhat of a newbie to the festool world and was trying to decide between the Festool, Veritas and other systems for a series of cabinets and mobile tool storage carts.  The videos have sold me!  I have wanted the 1010 for edge trimming and everyday use, just another reason to get the order in.  Thanks for putting together such a great series!

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #170 on: July 23, 2014, 01:42 PM »
Great videos Eric, thanks a lot for putting in the effort to make them.

I am slowly converting all my power tools over to Festool and your videos are making the transition easier. The true 32 system was a mystery to me but now i'll be attempting it on my next cabinet build.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #171 on: January 21, 2016, 06:38 PM »
Eric,

I realize that I am resurrecting an old thread, but I just wanted to say thank you for these videos. They have been incredible. I can only imagine how many LR32 systems have been sold because of your work.

Thanks again,
Mark
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #172 on: January 24, 2016, 05:12 AM »
Hear hear! I managed to start using my LR32 the minute I got it without glancing at a manual for even a second thanks to these video's! 16 up and out!  ;D ;D

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #173 on: February 24, 2016, 08:41 AM »
I downloaded and watched ALL the videos BEFORE I decided to buy the LR32 system. The videos were great and if you offered a small LR32 workbook, I would definitely buy it.  Thanks for helping me understand the system!

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #174 on: February 24, 2016, 09:59 AM »
I downloaded and watched ALL the videos BEFORE I decided to buy the LR32 system. The videos were great and if you offered a small LR32 workbook, I would definitely buy it.  Thanks for helping me understand the system!

Erock's videos have been a great learning resource. I was kind of lost on the LR32 until I watched his videos. (Thanks Eric!) You might like to look at LR32 End Stop for Blum Hardware and Blum Process32 about the blum process 32. There is a PDF in the thread about how to standardize cabinets using the 32mm system. It has all the dimensions for layout of cabinets. The start and stops are a little different than the stops created by Festool, but it's a good starting point and the stop created by Matt at the tread is great if you want to completely adopt the blum 32mm process to standardize your cabinets. I like having a resource to go to and works well.
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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #175 on: November 23, 2017, 07:40 PM »

800mm divided by 5 (number of drawers) is 160mm.   160mm is an increment of 32.  So I would make 5 drawer fronts 160mm MINUS a

3mm reveal for the top and bottoms of the drawer fronts.  Making my drawer fronts 154mm for the height. 

Then lets say my cabinet is 400mm wide, finished.  I would also subtract 3mm for each side for the reveal.  Making my finish cut for the drawer front

154mm in height x 394mm wide.

Eric,

A little late but...

Something i cant wrap my head around is the reveal/gap: wanting a 3mm gap between the drawer faces, if you took 3mm off the tops AND bottoms of each face, wouldn't that leave you with a 6mm gap between each face?

I'm sure there is a simple answer and it's right in front of my face but I just can't seem to get it. Driving me crazy!

Thanks for the videos. I've watched them a few times and I'm starting to get the hang of it. Just can't get past this one part.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #176 on: November 23, 2017, 07:55 PM »
@mwbrewster

Agree. The draw front should be 157mm x 394mm to get a 3mm gap between the drawers.

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #177 on: December 18, 2017, 03:50 PM »
I'm still in the figuring out how to design this thing stage, so no big mistakes have been made. (Give me time)

If I want a 3cm silestone counter top to be at 36" that is 914.4mm. Let's call it 914mm.

Subtract the 30mm for the countertop and I'm at 884mm, then I can do 25x32 to get a 800mm tall carcass. I then add a 84mm toe kick and I've got a metric cabinet that's very close to the expected 36" height in the US.

Am I leaving out any layers in this stack?

Thanks!



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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #178 on: December 18, 2017, 06:02 PM »
I'm still in the figuring out how to design this thing stage, so no big mistakes have been made. (Give me time)

If I want a 3cm silestone counter top to be at 36" that is 914.4mm. Let's call it 914mm.

Subtract the 30mm for the countertop and I'm at 884mm, then I can do 25x32 to get a 800mm tall carcass. I then add a 84mm toe kick and I've got a metric cabinet that's very close to the expected 36" height in the US.

Am I leaving out any layers in this stack?

Thanks!

I'm going to suggest that you make the casework a multiple of 32mm + 19mm so that you can use the LR 32 to line-bore the casework sides.  You can then size the toekick such that it sets the top at the desired overall height.  In your case, the closest increment would be 883mm which would allow for 27 32mm pattern sets (vertically).  I've attached my spreadsheet that might be helpful for you. 
- Willy -

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #179 on: November 30, 2018, 08:26 AM »
I downloaded and watched ALL the videos BEFORE I decided to buy the LR32 system. The videos were great and if you offered a small LR32 workbook, I would definitely buy it.  Thanks for helping me understand the system!

Erock's videos have been a great learning resource. I was kind of lost on the LR32 until I watched his videos. (Thanks Eric!) You might like to look at LR32 End Stop for Blum Hardware and Blum Process32 about the blum process 32. There is a PDF in the thread about how to standardize cabinets using the 32mm system. It has all the dimensions for layout of cabinets. The start and stops are a little different than the stops created by Festool, but it's a good starting point and the stop created by Matt at the tread is great if you want to completely adopt the blum 32mm process to standardize your cabinets. I like having a resource to go to and works well.

Hi was looking for the PDF you mentioned on how to standardize cabinets but couldn’t find it ... do you have a link?

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #180 on: November 30, 2018, 08:33 AM »
I downloaded and watched ALL the videos BEFORE I decided to buy the LR32 system. The videos were great and if you offered a small LR32 workbook, I would definitely buy it.  Thanks for helping me understand the system!

Erock's videos have been a great learning resource. I was kind of lost on the LR32 until I watched his videos. (Thanks Eric!) You might like to look at LR32 End Stop for Blum Hardware and Blum Process32 about the blum process 32. There is a PDF in the thread about how to standardize cabinets using the 32mm system. It has all the dimensions for layout of cabinets. The start and stops are a little different than the stops created by Festool, but it's a good starting point and the stop created by Matt at the tread is great if you want to completely adopt the blum 32mm process to standardize your cabinets. I like having a resource to go to and works well.

Hi was looking for the PDF you mentioned on how to standardize cabinets but couldn’t find it ... do you have a link?

Here's a copy. 
- Willy -

 "Remember, a chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of wood higher up." - Brigham Young

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #181 on: November 30, 2018, 08:34 AM »
Perhaps this is the link to the pdf you are looking for:  http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base_images/ms/Process32_041204.pdf

Peter

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Re: A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« Reply #182 on: November 30, 2018, 09:17 AM »
Thanks everyone that’s useful ... I am assuming the Blum chart was designed to make US standard cabinet sizes in inches compatible with the European metric boring pattern? As an example Page 10 of the Blum guide shows a cabinet height of 711mm whereas Eric in his video series uses a cabinet height of 704mm which is a true 32 divisible by 32mm ... what I was hoping to find is a chart of native true 32 metric sizes for standard cabinets ...