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Offline erock

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A LR32 video. The last video of the series. Video 7
« on: March 16, 2013, 04:42 PM »
Hello FOG members.

   When I first started buying Festool tools I used Youtube for a lot of my research (before I found the FOG).  I have been wanting the LR32 system for a

very long time, but never pulled the trigger on it because of the lack of knowledge on my end of the European 32mm frame less cabinet building method .  

So for the longest time (about 2 years) I searched the web for all the information I could read about the 32mm method.  

I built my kitchen cabinets using the 32mm  method and have a fairly good understanding of how it works.   Since there is a limited amount of information on

the LR32 system in the form of a video,  I decided to attempt   to bring more information available to guys in a video.  

  So this is the first video I produced for a series I have planned.  I wish I had the LR32 available to me when I built my kitchen cabinets.  It would have

saved me a lot of time!  I hope that after some of you guys watch the series, it sheds some light on how the system works and how great the system is.

And for the guys that are on the fence about buying the LR32, I hope the series of videos pushes you off the fence to buy it!   [tongue]

Because it's a sweet sweet accessory for the OF1400 and OF1010.

The videos I have planned will explain the system and give some information on the European 32mm method.  Show how to set up the LR32 system for

upper and base cabinets.  Also to show and explain how the LR32 helps install door and drawer hardware.  Here is the first video.  Please let me know what

you think.  Try not to be harsh  [wink].




                                                                          

 


                                                          This is part 2.  

                                                                        



                                                         This is part 3.

                                                                        



                                                         This is part 4.
                                
                                                                      

                                                          

                                                     This is part 5.
                
                                                                    



                                                     This is part 6.

                                                                  




                                                  The last part of the series, part 7

                                                                   



Thanks!

Eric
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Offline Dave Reinhold

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2013, 05:28 PM »
Nice video Eric

I've still never learned the true 32mm system and I'm looking forward to seeing your upcoming videos.

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Offline builderbob

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 07:04 PM »
Eric, I just watched the video...great job. I hadn't considered dry erase markers, but I do write in pencil all over my rails!  I'll have to try that trick.

Bob
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Offline Sal LiVecchi

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 07:35 PM »
Eric    Great Video, looking forward for the follow up video's for the LR 32 system,

Thanks for this

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Offline cvn72

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 09:14 PM »
Good tips on using the LR32 system.  Can't wait to see your follow up videos.
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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 09:52 PM »
Very good video Eric, Thanks

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 11:53 PM »
Thanks guys!

Dave,  The true 32 method with the LR32 makes cabinet making wicked easy.   Everything goes together like a champ. 


Bob, the dry eraser maker was one of those ideas that came to me while laying in bed thinking about the system......sad I know.   [embarassed]


 
I'm working on editing the next video.    If all goes well, I should have it up and running sometime tomorrow.


Thanks,

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 12:57 AM »
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing  [smile]
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Re: A LR32 video
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2013, 01:19 AM »
Great info, Hopefully some day I will pull the trigger and buy the LR32 kit.
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2013, 12:21 PM »


   I finished part two of this series and added it to the first post.

Thanks for watching guys!



Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2013, 01:13 PM »
Nice video!
While watching the 2nd video,you were showing how to register the stops on a "unbalanced"panel,you said to register from the top of the panels.
When i build cabinets/bookshelves,and don't use the 32mm system,i allways register from the bottom of my panels.
I don't know if it really makes any difference,but no matter witch way anyone wants to do it,allways register from the same ends.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Dave Reinhold

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2013, 01:26 PM »
Eric
Nice 2nd video, now hurry and get the third on done  [tongue].

I never built any cabinets or built-ins using the 32mm system. But I do as you suggested and reference off the top of my side panels. The reason I do that is sometimes I cut my panels different lengths so they touch the floor but the top is level. If I referenced off the bottoms the shelves would be Parallel to the floor but not level. So I got into the habit of always referencing off the top.

The beauty of the lr32 system is you can use it to make 32mm cabinets the way it was intended or you can just wing it like I've done and got amazing results.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2013, 01:35 PM »


I never built any cabinets or built-ins using the 32mm system. But I do as you suggested and reference off the top of my side panels. The reason I do that is sometimes I cut my panels different lengths so they touch the floor but the top is level. If I referenced off the bottoms the shelves would be Parallel to the floor but not level. So I got into the habit of always referencing off the top.


Dave
Interesting!  I guess we do things a little different. ;)
I am used to build cabinets and do built-ins that usualy sits on top of a counter top,so i allways make sure that everything is level from ground up.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline erock

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2013, 02:22 PM »
This is one of those things that one guy can register off the top and another can register off the bottom, yet get the same results.

Since you're using the LR32 for shelving and doors it doesn't matter which end you choose.  As long as you maintain the same end.

AND as long as you do the same end when drilling with the 35mm cup hinge bit.   

I use the top of the panels.  And so I wouldn't confuse any body, I just mentioned that in the video so guys wouldn't get all messed up.



Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2013, 02:55 PM »
Hey Eric, 2nd video was pretty goood. Ya know I never thought of marking the tops of the cab sides to be able to use the system when I mess up and cut a side less or more then 32mm.

In fact I got to go out and try that in a few minutes.

Edited to add: I tried it and it worked me. Thanks for sharing.


Keep'em coming
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 04:17 PM »
Nice videos...looking forward to Part 3.

I've had my eye on the OF 1400 router for awhile now and in your video you show the LR32 set in the systainer.  Do you think it's worthwhile to spend the extra to get this?  I was thinking of just going with the LR32 drilling set and then buy a SYS-1 and the necessary bits.  I don't see myself really needing the through bit (spear) and I also have the quick clamps so using the screw clamps seems like a step back to me.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 05:31 PM »
Nice videos...looking forward to Part 3.

I've had my eye on the OF 1400 router for awhile now and in your video you show the LR32 set in the systainer.  Do you think it's worthwhile to spend the extra to get this?  I was thinking of just going with the LR32 drilling set and then buy a SYS-1 and the necessary bits.  I don't see myself really needing the through bit (spear) and I also have the quick clamps so using the screw clamps seems like a step back to me.



That's your call.   But let me give you something to think about.

the set in the sys1 is $480.  If you wanted to buy a empty sys 1 you would have to buy the insert unless  you don't mind the parts being loose in the sys.

the set by itself                                        $232
the 35mm bit                                              $75
the 5mm bit                                                $30
LR32 end stop (need two) $27 a piece      $54
empty sys 1 (with no insert)                       $63
that all adds up to                                    $454   so you could be saving about $26.   

even if you have two quick clamps, you will want to clamp the work piece to the a table.   The clamps that come with the kit are just as quick to set up

as the quick clamps.   So if you only have one set of quick clamps I would consider getting the LR32 set in the sys.  because it will keep everything

organized in one sys.   Personally, I'm a neat freak, so I like having everything in on place all neat and tidy. 

I think Festool makes the set worth buying.  But that's my opinion.  To each their own.

As for the OF1400,  it's a fantastic router for the LR32.  I'm sure you will love the OF1400.  Plenty of power for just about any task.  At lease for every

thing I have thrown at it.



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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 09:55 PM »


That's your call.   But let me give you something to think about.

the set in the sys1 is $480.  If you wanted to buy a empty sys 1 you would have to buy the insert unless  you don't mind the parts being loose in the sys.

the set by itself                                        $232
the 35mm bit                                              $75
the 5mm bit                                                $30
LR32 end stop (need two) $27 a piece      $54
empty sys 1 (with no insert)                       $63
that all adds up to                                    $454   so you could be saving about $26.   

even if you have two quick clamps, you will want to clamp the work piece to the a table.   The clamps that come with the kit are just as quick to set up

as the quick clamps.   So if you only have one set of quick clamps I would consider getting the LR32 set in the sys.  because it will keep everything

organized in one sys.   Personally, I'm a neat freak, so I like having everything in on place all neat and tidy. 

I think Festool makes the set worth buying.  But that's my opinion.  To each their own.

As for the OF1400,  it's a fantastic router for the LR32.  I'm sure you will love the OF1400.  Plenty of power for just about any task.  At lease for every

thing I have thrown at it.



Eric

I'm pretty sure the set for $232 comes with the base plate, centering mandrel, side (linear) stops and end stops.  All you need to add to that set is the router, rail, clamps and bits. 

I decided to save some money and forgo the set in the Systainer.  I had a Sys one and clamps already.  I used the diced foam to make my own insert.  I think this was a far better value for me.   
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added.
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 07:53 AM »


  Brice,  Thanks for correcting me.   I guess I should stop using the Festool catalog as a reference.  Seems like

every time I do, I end up giving out bad information.   [embarassed]

When you look at the picture of just the LR32 set in the catalog it looks like the end stops are not included.

And the discription does not mention them.  So to me it seemed like you would have to buy them in addition to the

set.  Thanks for catching that buddy.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 12:04 AM »


Just wanted to let you guys know I finished part 3 of the series I'm doing.   I added the link to the first post.   Check it out!

I still have a video or two planned for the LR32, so stay tuned.


Thanks,

Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 08:33 AM »
Excellent video! The entire series so far has been brilliant and your explanations have been very detailed! I can't wait for the next video

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2013, 09:30 AM »
Great videos! Really shows the system well.

I have built some cabinets for electronics and find the 32mm spacing to be too far apart ~1 1/4" spaced holes. I find 1" spacing works better and gives less wasted cabinet space. Wish they had an Imperial holey rail with the 1" spacing. Last one I did was using a self centering drill bit and a Woodhaven guide but got way too much tear out on the holes. The router works so much better. Guess I will just have to accept the 32mm spacing.

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2013, 09:52 AM »
thanks for taking the time to do this series. I just got into festool and I made the Lr32 a high priority. so far I have done 3 small cabinet jobs and I love this thing and the 32mm system. I wish I learned it years ago. I really like the marker  Idea because I was watching other videos of people using stickers and having 4 or 5 stickers on certain holes and that just confuses me and is a set up for me to make a mistake. some times I go on autopilot and could easily drill holes I didn't intend to. but a wipe away marker is sweet cause I can lay out whatever project is on the table like the uppers and then erase those and relayout for the base cabs. that's something that I count on for me to make the least amount of mistakes.

i do have a question for you though, and hopefully I'm not jumping the gun on part 4. when laying out for drawer slides and using the 5mm euro screws how are you laying out the back hole. is there a certain number for for each size slide that's easy to figure out or do you just measure center of first hole(37mm from front edge) to center of the last hole and lay that out on your panel and reset the parallel guides to that? so far that's what Ive been doing and it has worked out great. my only issue with it is that I generally like to grab a panel and do all the work to it then grab the next panel and so on.  thanks again -John
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2013, 04:16 PM »
thanks for taking the time to do this series. I just got into festool and I made the Lr32 a high priority. so far I have done 3 small cabinet jobs and I love this thing and the 32mm system. I wish I learned it years ago. I really like the marker  Idea because I was watching other videos of people using stickers and having 4 or 5 stickers on certain holes and that just confuses me and is a set up for me to make a mistake. some times I go on autopilot and could easily drill holes I didn't intend to. but a wipe away marker is sweet cause I can lay out whatever project is on the table like the uppers and then erase those and relayout for the base cabs. that's something that I count on for me to make the least amount of mistakes.

i do have a question for you though, and hopefully I'm not jumping the gun on part 4. when laying out for drawer slides and using the 5mm euro screws how are you laying out the back hole. is there a certain number for for each size slide that's easy to figure out or do you just measure center of first hole(37mm from front edge) to center of the last hole and lay that out on your panel and reset the parallel guides to that? so far that's what Ive been doing and it has worked out great. my only issue with it is that I generally like to grab a panel and do all the work to it then grab the next panel and so on.  thanks again -John



   It depends on the style of drawer slides and the length that I'm using.    The Blum under mount don't reach to back of the cabinets and the holes are closer

to the front so I would just pull a measurement off the slide for my hole locations, write it down for future reference.  I have a couple different style of slides

laying around that I plan on figuring out the hole locations for future use.  I should have saved the instructions, because they tell you the hole locations

( if I recall correctly?)   I think what I will do is keep a cheat sheet with the LR32 systainer. 

You are jumping the gun a bit   [wink].    I'm planning on doing a video on base cabinets in the future. 

Thanks for watching!


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2013, 08:22 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?
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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2013, 08:32 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2013, 08:40 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

Ahh yes, that makes sense..I need that MFT table to take this hobby of mine to the next level.  [wink]
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2013, 08:48 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

Ahh yes, that makes sense..I need that MFT table to take this hobby of mine to the next level.  [wink]




  Honestly, the MFT800 is a great work table.   I use it for everything.  I didn't think I would use it a lot when I first bought it.  I had my Kapex on it

for the longest time.  But since I rearranged my shop, the MFT800 has been my most used MFT.   It looks small but can handle all my task. 

If you get the chance check out the Kapex MFT.   I would love to add one too my MFT collection.


Eric

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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2013, 08:51 PM »
Good vid mang! Question..Did you do the third video on the Kapex MFT?


No sir....It's  the MFT 800.   I have a MFT 800, 1080 and MFT/3.   The 800 and 1080 are older model MFT's and shorter then the MFT/3.

I'm not sure what the height is on the Kapex MFT, it may or may not be the same as the MFT800.


Eric

Ahh yes, that makes sense..I need that MFT table to take this hobby of mine to the next level.  [wink]




  Honestly, the MFT800 is a great work table.   I use it for everything.  I didn't think I would use it a lot when I first bought it.  I had my Kapex on it

for the longest time.  But since I rearranged my shop, the MFT800 has been my most used MFT.   It looks small but can handle all my task. 

If you get the chance check out the Kapex MFT.   I would love to add one too my MFT collection.


Eric

I think I need the full blown table for what I plan on getting into. I am wrestling with whether I get my router first of just get the table first. Both would be best, but thats not going to happen right now. It's a sickness I have since I discovered Festool
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Re: A LR32 video. Part two added. Part 3 added.
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2013, 11:36 PM »
Great vids, thanks Eric.

Making my sysports this week, will adjust the height to multiple of 32 now!