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Hi i have been thinking of making my own mirror wardrobes as i regularly get asked to alter frames and put new regular sized ones in. i was talking to a guy that used to make metal framed ones he said that you have to order in bulk to buy frame profiles (like 5k worth) and you need a special crimper for running gear, so i was thing about doing timber ones made of hard wood or mdf vineered and using cheap style sliding door gear from ironmonger. the problem with wood ones i think would be wood movement so not to crack the mirror  |
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 05:47 PM » |
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The metal frame stuff can be had from hafele, EN16 i think its called and you cut it to size and the brackets in the corner that hod it together are the running gear, it is soft close aswell
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 06:20 PM » |
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The metal frame stuff can be had from hafele, EN16 i think its called and you cut it to size and the brackets in the corner that hod it together are the running gear, it is soft close aswell
cheers, opened a account with them as you need to to see price list, have you ever used them or no anybody to ho has |
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 06:25 PM » |
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a kitchen firm recomended them to me. Phone them and they send you a sheet to fill it to give you a price for the stuff you want. I havent used them yet but hope to soon, just waiting for a customer to save some £
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 10:22 PM » |
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Hi i have been thinking of making my own mirror wardrobes as i regularly get asked to alter frames and put new regular sized ones in. i was talking to a guy that used to make metal framed ones he said that you have to order in bulk to buy frame profiles (like 5k worth) and you need a special crimper for running gear, so i was thing about doing timber ones made of hard wood or mdf vineered and using cheap style sliding door gear from ironmonger. the problem with wood ones i think would be wood movement so not to crack the mirror Never have had any issues with attaching mirrors to MDF sheets with adhesive then setting the assembly into a wooden frames as with any door panel. As for the Hafele question, I'm not sure if you are asking if anyone has used Hafele or the specific metal frame mentioned by Deansocial - so, no to the metal frames but a big yes +1 with dealing with Hafele. Great company, state of the art product that never fails to impress clients. You need to read all the specs on each product however (especially systems like cabinet storage units) because they offer many parts options that aren't obvious with a casual read. You don't want to order only 3 of the 4 essential items for your particular set up. Often screws aren't included. They say it it because they offer so many options for so many client preferences. Just be aware... |
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kev carpenter
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 04:02 AM » |
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Hi i have been thinking of making my own mirror wardrobes as i regularly get asked to alter frames and put new regular sized ones in. i was talking to a guy that used to make metal framed ones he said that you have to order in bulk to buy frame profiles (like 5k worth) and you need a special crimper for running gear, so i was thing about doing timber ones made of hard wood or mdf vineered and using cheap style sliding door gear from ironmonger. the problem with wood ones i think would be wood movement so not to crack the mirror Never have had any issues with attaching mirrors to MDF sheets with adhesive then setting the assembly into a wooden frames as with any door panel. As for the Hafele question, I'm not sure if you are asking if anyone has used Hafele or the specific metal frame mentioned by Deansocial - so, no to the metal frames but a big yes +1 with dealing with Hafele. Great company, state of the art product that never fails to impress clients. You need to read all the specs on each product however (especially systems like cabinet storage units) because they offer many parts options that aren't obvious with a casual read. You don't want to order only 3 of the 4 essential items for your particular set up. Often screws aren't included. They say it it because they offer so many options for so many client preferences. Just be aware... Thanks for the advise probably need to do in my house to to get the setup right |
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 11:55 AM » |
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Account set up 5k min order for 100 units about 50GBP  |
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 01:33 PM » |
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you sure about the minimum order because i setup an account andthey quoted me for the gear to do 4 doors and it was £(see pm)
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 01:42 PM » |
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you sure about the minimum order because i setup an account andthey quoted me for the gear to do 4 doors and it was £(see pm)
Yes, this doesn't sound right. Here in Maine I can buy one drawer slide at a time from Hafele or 100 little screws. Never heard of such min. order requirements. |
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 02:20 PM » |
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no your right iam wrong the way it was set out on the web page gave a price per 100 sets to get them cheaper per unit,
any body know the price that mirror retails at from glazier or merchants, i heard places like pilkington wont deal with you unless you are a glazier (meaning that small customers are to much hassle
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 03:30 PM » |
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I know you going towards the Metal frame Idea but using Wood is completely fine also.
For some wardrobe doors I used a large MDF Sheet got some sticks like or Fix all something similar and gave the back of the mirror a super super light sand with some fine sand paper so to make sure you dont scratch through! this was to give a better pond. You properly can just stick the mirror straight on but I decided to give it a light sand to create little fine scratches I thought it would guarantee a better hold.
Also I stuck 2 large mirrors on Two interior Oak doors both bathrooms doors. The client wanted full size mirrors on the doors. The door where already hung and handles fitted so I just took the door off laid it on the floor got some mirror glass cut to size made to fit in side the large single raised panel.
Here is a picture of a door with a ''similar'' design. As you can see it has a raised panel soooo to give the glass support around the edge I stuck some Gripp fill around let it go of first so it formed a skin but was still soft as I was afraid it would eat through the mirror and show through. The rest I just put loads of fix all/sticks like left it for a few hours came back hung the door I even SLAMMED the Door a few times nothing happend!
JMB
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 03:42 PM » |
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no your right iam wrong the way it was set out on the web page gave a price per 100 sets to get them cheaper per unit,
any body know the price that mirror retails at from glazier or merchants, i heard places like pilkington wont deal with you unless you are a glazier (meaning that small customers are to much hassle
i priced 2 up at 1700x900, £200 the pair |
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kev carpenter
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 04:12 PM » |
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I know you going towards the Metal frame Idea but using Wood is completely fine also.
For some wardrobe doors I used a large MDF Sheet got some sticks like or Fix all something similar and gave the back of the mirror a super super light sand with some fine sand paper so to make sure you dont scratch through! this was to give a better pond. You properly can just stick the mirror straight on but I decided to give it a light sand to create little fine scratches I thought it would guarantee a better hold.
Also I stuck 2 large mirrors on Two interior Oak doors both bathrooms doors. The client wanted full size mirrors on the doors. The door where already hung and handles fitted so I just took the door off laid it on the floor got some mirror glass cut to size made to fit in side the large single raised panel.
Here is a picture of a door with a ''similar'' design. As you can see it has a raised panel soooo to give the glass support around the edge I stuck some Gripp fill around let it go of first so it formed a skin but was still soft as I was afraid it would eat through the mirror and show through. The rest I just put loads of fix all/sticks like left it for a few hours came back hung the door I even SLAMMED the Door a few times nothing happend!
JMB
I am all for wood just trying to see whats the best method while being competitve. I think you can get ones made to any size for about 150 GBP from places like sliderobes, might be wrong but a think i would need to make a budget set for about 150 GBP per door to be in with a shout. |
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