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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2011, 01:17 PM »
Definitely was thinking about supporting the piece on its side so I could work in a flat, horizontal orientation.

Would I get an eighth of an inch with not too much work via the hand plane?  The router is fast once you've set it up and clamped everything in place, but the setup and changing locations/re-clamping takes time and you can't really finesse the cutting.

Yes, you should - well er,  it depends on what you call "too much work". Try a couple and see how it goes.
If the dadoes are 3/4" wide I would use the smaller (1/2") shoulder plane or chisel plane.
I would cut some small kerfs on each side of the dadoes with a dove tail or back saw to the depth you want to plane to. I would also score the back or deep end of the dado with a knife so you don't get a lot of tear out and splintering on the back side.
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2011, 02:39 PM »
AW, you could have built dozens of these in the time you've talked about them......... [tongue]
Check out my new blog, The Green and Dark Blue Blog.

Offline awdriven

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2011, 03:45 PM »
Wish I had more shop time to dedicate to it, but I have to work on it as other things permit. Reasoning it out beforehand helps. I am really appreciative of the advice people have been giving.

I'll be happy to share information so others can build one of their own. I'm now pretty convinced that only the dedicated would follow through with this. If you just want a planter and not a project, you'd pay Bruce for one ;)

If you're willing to skip the dadoes and secure the shelves with screws, it would save considerable time.

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Re: Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2011, 09:33 PM »
Still kicking! After a few days hiatus, I spent some time deepening the dadoes after work.

I just scored with a pull saw and used a hand plane. I got through four courses of shelves and also flush cut my dominoes and sander a little. I also marked out the depth of cut for the other shelves, so we'll see how far I can get in the coming day or two.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #94 on: June 09, 2011, 01:24 PM »
Time has been pretty limited this week but I think I have just a dozen or so dadoes left to deepen. I should be able to finish that tonight. It just takes a couple strokes of the pull saw and a couple minutes with the hand plane. I'm taking them all down to ~3/8th inch deep.

For some satisfaction, I'll probably then cut and attach the base pieces.

Then it's on to shelves -

I'll make up another test shelf and fine-tune the miter angle so the back-side of the shelf wedges the shelf in place in the dado.

I mapped out my cutlist on sketchup the other night. I needed to slightly nest the shelf pieces so I wouldn't run out of lumber. The most efficient way to do this is probably to set up two miter saws. Otherwise I'd have to re-set the miter and bevel for every shelf.

During all this time, the baby Strawberry plants have been growing in my back garden. It looks like slugs have been nibbling some of the leaves, so I picked up some thin copper ribbon to ring the garden bed. Apparently slugs won't cross it. (Creates an uncomfortable electric charge.)

The copper got me thinking. I picked up some 16 mil copper sheet that I'd like to use to clad the cap piece. If I can waterproof it with the copper, that may open up some options for gluing something up to form the pyramid structure of the cap.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #95 on: June 09, 2011, 01:33 PM »
Sounds good, but when was the last time your family's seen you and how are your hands feeling after all that planing?

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #96 on: June 09, 2011, 01:37 PM »
It just takes a couple strokes of the pull saw and a couple minutes with the hand plane. I'm taking them all down to ~3/8th inch deep.

Can't wait to see it. BTW, what kind of plane are you using for the dadoes?

I mapped out my cutlist on sketchup the other night. I needed to slightly nest the shelf pieces so I wouldn't run out of lumber. The most efficient way to do this is probably to set up two miter saws. Otherwise I'd have to re-set the miter and bevel for every shelf.
...ya, lots of cutting there.
Tim

Sounds good, but when was the last time your family's seen you and how are your hands feeling after all that planing?

...ya and all that plane-ing

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #97 on: June 09, 2011, 02:45 PM »
The dado cleanup hasn't been bad at all, actually. It just makes you go a little stir crazy because its 88 dadoes and they're all alike.

The key is just finding the most efficient way to do it. It went a lot faster when I just took the pull saw and made all of those cuts for every dado, rather than changing back and forth between cutting and planeing(?) Changing tools and changing position takes time.

I took your advice on the Veritas medium shoulder plane, Tim. It's a very nice piece and I am sure over the years I'll have plenty of uses for it. The hole through the body makes it very easy to hold the plane and move around the assembled workpiece.  It's cedar, so it's very prone to tear-out, but its not a hard wood.

I think making up a new jig and moving around the OF1400 would have taken longer and been more tiring. The results may have looked more uniform and perfect that way, but I suspect as I cut and install shelves, I'll probably need to plane a little here and there anyway for a good fit.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2011, 10:34 AM »
I glued and screwed the base cross-braces yesterday and the dadoes are done, wahoo! I'm planning on cutting shelves and/or working on the cap depending on weather.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2011, 09:54 PM »
Got 75% of the shelves cut and fit today! I'm including a progress shot from earlier in the day. Hopefully I can finish shelves tomorrow and possibly make headway on the cap piece, but I'll have limited to to work on this tomorrow.

After I got the miter saw set up I realized, duh, just flip the stock over and I wouldn't have to be changing miter and bevel angles.



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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2011, 09:58 PM »
Looks really good!

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2011, 10:08 PM »
That looks great!
Congratulations, too good for strawberry's or what ever you're gonna put in it.
Tim

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #102 on: June 12, 2011, 11:34 PM »
Thanks so much for the compliments and the advice! I finished the shelves today, did a bit of sanding to break the edges of the shelves slightly, clean up some pencil marks, etc. I need to make the top and I think then it's all over except for the dirt and greenery!

The dadoes could be a little more refined - with some more improvements to the jig, this could have been done a lot faster. I'd like them to be held back a bit further from the edge of the 2x4 too (concealed) but it looks OK. My cedar shelves were a little thicker than my pine test pieces and since I lack a thickness planer, I just relieved the edges of the shelves slightly with the RO90 as I installed them.

Here are a couple more poor quality pictures from my phone. I promise better quality ones before I fill it up.





Now I have to figure out how to execute the cap.

P.S. - My house isn't falling down - camera phone has some crazy lens distortion sometimes.  [eek]
« Last Edit: June 12, 2011, 11:37 PM by awdriven »

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #103 on: June 12, 2011, 11:42 PM »
Cut a square the size you want for the top.  Place it on the top of the tower in the exact position and trace the intersection of the uprights on the bottom side of the top piece.  Route them out, take the piece and give it to me so I can cut your 4 bevels on the top of the top piece on my table saw.


EDIT:  Just make sure the square piece is thick enough to have plenty of meat between the deepest areas that are routed out and the thinnest parts of the top bevels.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2011, 12:07 AM by Ken Nagrod »

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #104 on: June 13, 2011, 12:08 AM »
Check my edit above.

It looks like the tower is propping up the garage header.  [big grin]

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #105 on: June 13, 2011, 09:21 AM »
Wow it came together nicely.
I am almost sorry this thread is coming to an end. I am happy that you persevered.
It's been fun to watch.
Tim

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #106 on: June 13, 2011, 03:16 PM »
That would be awesome, thanks Ken!

The cap as I have it drawn is a 3/4 x 8" x 8" square with an 8" x 8" by 1 inch tall pyramid on top.

My thought was that I'd route out the square base piece and drive a couple screws down through the top of the square into the tops of the uprights to lock them in place. Then place the pyramid on top and use a pair of screws to attach that. That leaves open the option to either copper-clad or not.


Now, down to practical considerations -

I don't have any 8 inch wide stock, so unless I source some, this would be a glue-up.

Do you need this to be one piece in order to make it safe to cut? Any issue with a glue-up? I could probably just drop the height of the pyramid section to 3/4 inch and it could be made up from stock on hand if that works.

I have some 2x4 and 4x4 cedar on hand as well. I may be able to do something with those, but they have radiused edges.

Thanks again, the thread will keep going until some strawberries have been taste tested  [tongue]

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Re: Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #107 on: June 13, 2011, 09:48 PM »
I ripped the radius edges off some leftover cedar 2x4 and glued it up into an approximately 8.5x8.5x1.5 slab. We'll see how it sands up tomorrow.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #108 on: June 13, 2011, 10:03 PM »
Looking great! I won't be satisfied until I see it in place and full of plants!!! Seriously, I'm glad you have been sharing this project. The design, problem solving and build have been great to follow and read.

When you first showed this planter I was dead certain I would want to build one. I still do. It might not be as large though.

Brad

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #109 on: June 13, 2011, 10:15 PM »
Seems ashame to fill it with dirt and plants [sad] And cover up all the hard work.
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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #110 on: June 14, 2011, 01:25 AM »
Not a bad idea having a 2-piece top.  You're going to have to decide the size of the pyramid for what you consider visually pleasing.  For a copper cover, you could either get a thin sheet and form it over the pyramid piece using things like a large dowel (wooden closet rod), the most difficult areas being the corners at the edges, then trim the excess.  Or get a thick sheet of copper and pound the pyramid top into it using sacrificial wood as the beater block and something like a thick canvas tarp folded up as the cushion for the copper like metal forming with a sandbag.  The easy, quick way out would be cutting the copper to fit and solder the seam(s) but I don't like the idea of the soldered joint out in the weather as it will at some point become brittle and fail plus it won't look as good, in my opinion.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #111 on: June 14, 2011, 11:25 AM »
The glue up looks pretty decent after drying over night. I'll sand it up and cut it to size/shape tonight.

If I can, I'll also glue up a matching 8x8x3/4 base piece.

I should have the copper in hand this evening. It's 26 gauge material, so pretty readily formed. (I say that, but have never done this before.) I understand that normal copper roofing material is 24 gauge.

Ken, just shoot me a PM or e-mail and let me know when it would be convenient to pick up the pyramid stock. I'll check out height options. The glue-up leaves the option to go up to appx 1.5 inches, but that 1 inch rise seems to look pretty good in Sketchup. I don't want the cap to compete with the rest of the piece.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #112 on: June 14, 2011, 05:00 PM »
BTDT, if you are interested, I'd be glad to share information to help with a build. I think a 3 or 4 footer would have a lot of the fun but take quite a bit less time.

I'd love to see what people are able to do in terms of improving the design and making the build process Faster, Simpler, Better or all of the above.

I'm glad people have been enjoying the updates and wish I could have given you some more interesting pictures or videos along the way.

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Re: Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #113 on: June 18, 2011, 02:26 PM »
The pyramid glue-up is in Ken's hands for cutting and this morning I glued up the 3/4 x 8 x 8 base. Hopefully I can route the recess in that base piece later today. I made it slightly oversized so I can trim it to match the pyramid.

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #114 on: June 18, 2011, 02:29 PM »
I knew there was something I was supposed to be doing instead of hanging out on here!

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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #115 on: June 20, 2011, 08:33 PM »
Many of us are aware of the long time debate as to whether having a table saw is necessary or needed at all after owning the Festool TS saws and guide rails.  I've said it before that I don't think they can totally replace a table saw, so having one would be beneficial for many woodworkers/carpenters, I think.  This just goes to prove that point.  

This is the top cap that AWDRIVEN asked me to make from his cedar glue up.  I made a vertical fixture that entrapped the the 8x8x1.5" block (dimensions after thickness planing it and squaring it up) and clamped it to ride the rip fence on my table saw.  Cut the four sides at a 15 degree bevel.  Final dimensions as it stands are 7 13/16" x 7 13/16" x 1 1/4" height at center and 5/16" thick around the edge after fine tuning it.  The square in the middle of the block is the result of my blade only able to cut 3 9/16" deep per pass.  We are having a discussion about whether to keep the raised square or I can just hand saw and finish sand it to a full pyramid.  If anyone has opinions on which way to go, I'm open to hearing stuff.

I don't see how either of the Festool TS saws would have been able to do this.

There is barrel distortion from the lens of my camera.
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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2011, 09:16 PM »
Looks beautiful! A compelling argument for the table saw. A TS75 in CMS wouldn't have had the reach either, I don't think.

The little button on top looks cool - nice when a little detail just reveals itself to you as you work.   I was hoping the endgrain would make a cool pattern and it did :)

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« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2011, 09:29 PM »
Looks beautiful! A compelling argument for the table saw. A TS75 in CMS wouldn't have had the reach either, I don't think.

The little button on top looks cool - nice when a little detail just reveals itself to you as you work.   I was hoping the endgrain would make a cool pattern and it did :)


You could look at it that way  [big grin].  I forgot to mention to you how deep of a cut per side I could get with the dimensions of the block, when we first discussed this.  I decided to wait until it was done to offer you the option of keeping it or not.  I figured yesterdays phone pics wouldn't do it justice and you might get some helpful opinions here.

The TS75 mounted in a CMS or the CS70 can't cut anywhere near the depth my table saw can.  I'm pretty sure they're limited to 70mm and my saw cuts to 90.5mm.

By the way, for any of our proficient hand tool users out there, yes this could have been done with a raised panel cutting hand plane, but they're pretty hard to come by and this was a freebie so power tools it is.
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Re: Festool this - Strawberry Tower project
« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2011, 11:51 PM »
Just trimming the raised part off flush is an option too and might look good.

I took the dimensions and plugged them into Sketchup, here are the two side by side. I think it would look better mated up with a half inch thick piece instead of three quarter?



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« Reply #119 on: June 21, 2011, 12:12 AM »
Keep in mind, if I trim off the square button, you can't go back to the pyramid shape without cutting down the size of the block.