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Offline online421

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how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« on: October 28, 2018, 04:58 PM »
I have some cabinets to make from time to time, I dont want to spend $$$$ on a Lamello Zeta P2 given I have Festool Domino already  and use the connector set frequently.

I know they are different tool but has anyone successfully used their Festool (Domino) in a way like Lamello Zeta P2?
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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 06:28 PM »
What aspect of the P2 are you hoping to emulate that you haven't been able to achieve with the domino connector set that you have? 


Offline James Biddle

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 09:04 PM »
I've been looking at the Lamello as well.  What's different, to me, is the Lamello Tenso P-14 will allow me to attach a face frame to a box in those areas that domino's/biscuits won't work without being clamped.  I want to finish my face frames off of my pre-finished plywood boxes.  Clamping finished face frames to boxes has proven difficult with clamping marring the finished face frames.  Pocket screws can work but not in all areas and may alter the alignment.  Domino's or biscuits will work for alignment but not add any clamping force.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 11:40 PM »
Dominos for alignment, pocket screws for clamping/pulling, make a good team. Just put the pocket screws close to the Dominos to minimize bending of the ff.

Online lwoirhaye

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 11:32 AM »
Mod-Eez makes invisible fasteners that can substitute in some cases.    More time to install than the slick Lamello system though. Perhaps the required mortises can partially be cut with a Domino.

Offline James Biddle

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 11:46 AM »
Dominos for alignment, pocket screws for clamping/pulling, make a good team. Just put the pocket screws close to the Dominos to minimize bending of the ff.

I like this combination for general assembly, but there are times when a pocket screw would show like the bottom of an upper cabinet or a fixed center divider.  Those are the applications I'm looking for a different solution.

Online lwoirhaye

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 12:49 PM »
http://www.mod-eez.com/Dowels.htm

They sent me a sample pack some years ago.  They may still do that.

Offline abates

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2018, 09:13 PM »
I have the lamello zeta and can definitely say it is an incredible machine that has offered some very excellent and unique solutions. I can also say, there is no way to replicate what the lamello does with a domino.  Even the KO fasteners that Festool has put out require more fiddling than the Zeta.  I use the tenso and the clamex frequently for just the applications you are speaking about; partitions in cabinets where a screw is unsightly, and a clamp can't reach.  Part of the beauty of the lamello is you only need 10-12mm depth of cut. I can't see how the Festool KO fasteners can even come close to those tolerances.

Unfortunately the Zeta is expensive, but I honestly feel that once you buy it, the possibilities continue to present themselves.

Offline online421

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2018, 11:15 PM »
What aspect of the P2 are you hoping to emulate that you haven't been able to achieve with the domino connector set that you have?

Domino connectors requires you to be at least 30mm thick material. most of the shelve arnt 30mm thick...
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Offline online421

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2018, 11:18 PM »
I have the lamello zeta and can definitely say it is an incredible machine that has offered some very excellent and unique solutions. I can also say, there is no way to replicate what the lamello does with a domino.  Even the KO fasteners that Festool has put out require more fiddling than the Zeta.  I use the tenso and the clamex frequently for just the applications you are speaking about; partitions in cabinets where a screw is unsightly, and a clamp can't reach.  Part of the beauty of the lamello is you only need 10-12mm depth of cut. I can't see how the Festool KO fasteners can even come close to those tolerances.

Unfortunately the Zeta is expensive, but I honestly feel that once you buy it, the possibilities continue to present themselves.

I think you are absolutely right. they are different tools, this will be my next purchase when I can justify the number of sales.

Festool connectors are also about 6-8 times the cost of the Lamello connectors...
Griggio Unica400
Felder AD951
Masterwood OMB1V
SCM 5 RCS1100
Casadei FV110
Chicago Pneumatics CPRS10500
Ceccato CDX 12
Holytek DC006
Festool DF700XL, CT36, LEX3
JLT 190BM2, JLT 79K10
Danfoss VLT 2880
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Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 05:56 AM »
What aspect of the P2 are you hoping to emulate that you haven't been able to achieve with the domino connector set that you have?

Domino connectors requires you to be at least 30mm thick material. most of the shelve arnt 30mm thick...

Are you talking about the connectors for the df 700? Festool says about the connectors for the df 500 that they can be used for material from 18 to 28 mm thick.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 04:12 PM »
I have some cabinets to make from time to time, I dont want to spend $$$$ on a Lamello Zeta P2 given I have Festool Domino already  and use the connector set frequently.

I know they are different tool but has anyone successfully used their Festool (Domino) in a way like Lamello Zeta P2?

I have looked into the Festool connectors but have not used them.
You can however use your biscuit joiner (if you have one to cut grooves to accept RTA (ready to assemble as @Steve Rowe

You can also use a biscuit joiner and the strong, completely invisible joint without clamps. for a
Tim
« Last Edit: November 02, 2018, 04:21 PM by Tim Raleigh »

Online lwoirhaye

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2018, 04:38 PM »
Knapp makes some RTA fittings for biscuit slots. 

https://www.knapp-verbinder.com/en/produkt/fast-knock-in-plug-in-connector-plastic/

Lee Valley sells at least one model in N. America. 

I've never tried them.     

It's hard to argue with the gee-whiz awesomeness of the Zeta if you've got the money burning a hole in your pocket tho.

« Last Edit: November 02, 2018, 04:40 PM by lwoirhaye »

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 11:20 AM »
 
It's hard to argue with the gee-whiz awesomeness of the Zeta if you've got the money burning a hole in your pocket tho.
The time saved spent with other fittings pays for the Zeta. The tool definitely streamlines production. Yes it's expensive but worth it.
Tim

Offline James Biddle

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Re: how to do a Lamello Zeta P2 joint with Festool?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2018, 07:50 PM »
I just ordered a Lamello Zeta.  I'm hoping it will speed up the face frame to carcass assembly time while maintaining accuracy.  I'm also looking forward to using it for assembling a mitered face frame to end panel as well as boxed columns.  Add to that the ability to have the knock down capabilities and I think this tool will be the perfect complement to the Domino.

Although I didn't have money burning a hole in my pocket, posting that comment on the Festool site does seem a bit ironic.  My Festool Domino DF500 (which I absolutely LOVE and will not give up, by the way) with Trim and Cross Stops cost me $720 back in Jan of 2007 is now listed at $1,040.  The Zeta is $1,695.

I think both of these tools are game changers. You may or may not.