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Offline Inner10

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Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« on: November 30, 2017, 11:45 PM »
I'm using a generic brass guide bushing with the chintzy festool plastic adapter that goes into the baseplate of the router.  There doesn't appear to be any centering adjustment, I've tried loosening the screws that hold the adapter into the base but it's just not perfectly centered, and there isn't any wiggle room for the brass bushing.  In addition I can't seem to get the brass lock ring to stay tight.  The darn thing keeps loosening, then the bushing spins, then the slightest pressure causes the bit to devour the bushing.

Any suggestions?  Aftermarket baseplate?

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Offline Roseland

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 03:30 AM »
Leigh make an aluminium guide bush holder, which I've never had any trouble with:

https://www.leighjigs.com/download/gb_and_adaptor_chart.pdf

I'm not sure it will be any better for centring though.

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Offline Rob-GB

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 03:35 AM »
Do you have a centering device like those supplied by Dewalt or Trend to centre the ring on fitting?
That may be the best way forward. Dewalts is a truncated cone shape while Trends tend to be a shaft with a thick washer type of fitting to snug into the base or ring.

If the screw in rings are getting loose then maybe the threads are a bit off tolerance, some plumbers PTFE tape might well take up the slack and help keep it tight. Two or three wraps should do the trick.

Hope that is of help, Rob.
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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2017, 04:53 AM »
I have covered it in one of my two OF 1010 videos...

Part 1:


Part 2:


You will need the centring mandrel.

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2017, 07:05 AM »
As outlined in Petter Parfitt's video (pt. 2, 1:30 in), the Leigh insert + a centering mandrel is the way to go, as it has enough slack to allow centering, whereas the Festool adapter is a tight fit.  Pretty annoying though that a $450 router is only fully functional with an extra $40-$50 of aftermarket accessories (well, the centering mandrel is technically not aftermarket I guess, since you can get a Festool branded one, but the Leigh certainly is), and I'm surprised Festool hasn't addressed this by replicating or licensing the Leigh insert, as their own template guide insert is basically useless for any kind of precision work. 

Here's the order page for the Leigh btw: https://www.leighjigs.com/ugs.php

Leigh make an aluminium guide bush holder, which I've never had any trouble with:

https://www.leighjigs.com/download/gb_and_adaptor_chart.pdf

I'm not sure it will be any better for centring though.

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Offline magellan

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 07:52 AM »
Hi guys
I’ve been following your thread here because I’ve been wanting to buy an OF 1010.   I started a thread yesterday about a few concerns of my own about the fence and dust collection.  As someone stated for $450.00 you get an inferior guide bushing setup, a fence system that is an extra piece that you have to purchase and from most Owners is inadequate as a fence and dust collection.   

How can it be that the 1400 is so well thought out with regards to all aspects of dust collection and guide fence and how the bushings attach from the same company.   I would love to buy one but I don’t know if I’ll be disappointed after owning the 1400.   I like the smaller size if the 1010 and would find uses for it but it seems I would have to spend $350.00 or so on a MicroFence that does not have dust collection. 

I’m falling out of love with this router as I write this post

Thank you all for the info in this thread. 

Offline Roseland

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 08:31 AM »
The OF 1010 is a lovely router for hand-held work.  It is my go-to router when using bearing guided bits.

I think I have the fence somewhere, but I've never used it; if I need a fence I use the OF 1400.

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Offline Inner10

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2017, 03:55 PM »
Leigh make an aluminium guide bush holder, which I've never had any trouble with:

https://www.leighjigs.com/download/gb_and_adaptor_chart.pdf

I'm not sure it will be any better for centring though.

Andrew

Thanks!  Too bad I don't see a 5/16" guide bushing.

Offline Inner10

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2017, 03:58 PM »
Do you have a centering device like those supplied by Dewalt or Trend to centre the ring on fitting?
That may be the best way forward. Dewalts is a truncated cone shape while Trends tend to be a shaft with a thick washer type of fitting to snug into the base or ring.

If the screw in rings are getting loose then maybe the threads are a bit off tolerance, some plumbers PTFE tape might well take up the slack and help keep it tight. Two or three wraps should do the trick.

Hope that is of help, Rob.

I don't I should get one, I just don't see much wiggle room for it to keep the bushing centered. 

I wish I could find something more skookem, if the router bucks and hits the template the plastic defects enough to ram the bushing into the side of the bit.

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2017, 04:02 PM »
I have covered it in one of my two OF 1010 videos...

Part 1:


Part 2:


You will need the centring mandrel.

Peter

Thanks Peter, Looks like that's the consensus!

Offline Inner10

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2017, 04:06 PM »
Hi guys
I’ve been following your thread here because I’ve been wanting to buy an OF 1010.   I started a thread yesterday about a few concerns of my own about the fence and dust collection.  As someone stated for $450.00 you get an inferior guide bushing setup, a fence system that is an extra piece that you have to purchase and from most Owners is inadequate as a fence and dust collection.   

How can it be that the 1400 is so well thought out with regards to all aspects of dust collection and guide fence and how the bushings attach from the same company.   I would love to buy one but I don’t know if I’ll be disappointed after owning the 1400.   I like the smaller size if the 1010 and would find uses for it but it seems I would have to spend $350.00 or so on a MicroFence that does not have dust collection. 

I’m falling out of love with this router as I write this post

Thank you all for the info in this thread.

Kind of how I feel about it.  I only ever use it for one task, commercial aluminum doors, it will likely only ever use a 5/16 bushing and a 1/4" bit.  I like variable speed, pistol grip, on off switch that the pistol grip hand can reach.  So I dropped 600 samolians on this little sucker because it had all the features I look for in a router...but then I'm faced with the janky plastic insert that can't be centered...

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2017, 04:59 PM »
Leigh make an aluminium guide bush holder, which I've never had any trouble with:

https://www.leighjigs.com/download/gb_and_adaptor_chart.pdf

I'm not sure it will be any better for centring though.

Andrew

The Leigh product number for the OF 1010 is 704R.  It does have just enough slack to allow for proper centering. 
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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2017, 07:38 PM »
I'm using a generic brass guide bushing with the chintzy festool plastic adapter that goes into the baseplate of the router.  There doesn't appear to be any centering adjustment, I've tried loosening the screws that hold the adapter into the base but it's just not perfectly centered, and there isn't any wiggle room for the brass bushing.  In addition I can't seem to get the brass lock ring to stay tight.  The darn thing keeps loosening, then the bushing spins, then the slightest pressure causes the bit to devour the bushing.

Any suggestions?  Aftermarket baseplate?

When I got my portercable dovetail jig, they provided rubber o-rings to go under the locking ring for the router guide bushings. I’ve never noticed them ever coming loose with the o-ring installed. Might be an idea to try one under your brass lock ring to see if that will prevent it from loosening in use.
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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2017, 08:24 PM »
With regard to centering bushings in the Festool ring , I've found on two expamples that the culprit is the clear dust shroud above it.

Removing it has allowed me to center all my guide bushings in the Festool ring. Which is chintzy and overpriced.

And I shouldn't have to remove the shroud in the first place on a tool that comes from a maker who says they make better stuff.

Maybe refining or updating your current offerings would be better than developing yet another LED light or sander.

Offline Inner10

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2017, 11:27 PM »
With regard to centering bushings in the Festool ring , I've found on two expamples that the culprit is the clear dust shroud above it.

Removing it has allowed me to center all my guide bushings in the Festool ring. Which is chintzy and overpriced.

And I shouldn't have to remove the shroud in the first place on a tool that comes from a maker who says they make better stuff.

Maybe refining or updating your current offerings would be better than developing yet another LED light or sander.

It would be nice if they could have put a light on this router...I'm so use to tools having built in LEDs...but with this router I have to shove a flashlight in my mouth while I run it.

Offline Inner10

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 10:42 PM »
I got a centering mandrel but it has an 8MM shaft that won't fit through the 5/16 guide bushing...

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2017, 08:29 AM »
@Inner10   You only need the mandrel to center the template adapter itself.  Once that's in, then you can just screw on the bushings and they will be automatically centered.

I got a centering mandrel but it has an 8MM shaft that won't fit through the 5/16 guide bushing...
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Offline Inner10

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2017, 07:16 PM »
@Inner10   You only need the mandrel to center the template adapter itself.  Once that's in, then you can just screw on the bushings and they will be automatically centered.

I got a centering mandrel but it has an 8MM shaft that won't fit through the 5/16 guide bushing...

Thanks Ear, I put it in without the bushing but it didn't reach the adapter plate at fulll extension....then a light bulb came on and I popped in the  8MM collet and it worked.

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 10:40 AM »
For anyone interested in the centring mandrel used with the OF1010 I have covered it in my recent Workshop Notes video from about 6 minutes 45 seconds:



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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 01:14 PM »
I must be an idiot, I bought the Leigh insert, but when I center it the flat head screws that comes with the Festool router pull it off center when I tighten them.  I need some sort of small low profile pan head screw with a really narrow flat head to keep it centered.

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 01:38 PM »
Called Festool and they said I either have to machine the plate to allow it to be centered or ship everything in for service.

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 01:43 PM »
Called Festool and they said I either have to machine the plate to allow it to be centered or ship everything in for service.

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Perhaps you could file a small amount off the plate as it's outer edge has no keying requirement with the router. Or, you could drill the countersink a little deeper or enlarge the screw hole by 1 mm in order to give a bit more wiggle room.

If you have the engineering capability you could drill new holes in the plate but that might be tricky.

Peter

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 04:22 PM »
I must be an idiot, I bought the Leigh insert, but when I center it the flat head screws that comes with the Festool router pull it off center when I tighten them.  I need some sort of small low profile pan head screw with a really narrow flat head to keep it centered.

I use the panhead screws that came with the Leigh 704R adapter and they work fine.  The screws that come with the Festool adapter are flat-headed and have conical seats, and WILL make the 704R misalign. 
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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 07:44 PM »
Called Festool and they said I either have to machine the plate to allow it to be centered or ship everything in for service.

Perhaps you could file a small amount off the plate as it's outer edge has no keying requirement with the router. Or, you could drill the countersink a little deeper or enlarge the screw hole by 1 mm in order to give a bit more wiggle room.

If you have the engineering capability you could drill new holes in the plate but that might be tricky.

Peter

This might be a good solution for the Festool adapter ring, since it sits too tight within the router base to allow for any adjustment for centering. The Festool adapter ring (at least the one I have on my old OF1010) has two (2) sets of mounting screw holes -- one set of holes is countersunk, while the other set of holes has been counterbored (flat bottomed) -- so, you would need some pan-headed mounting screws in the counterbored holes  in order to center the adapter ring.

Wouldn't/Shouldn't this work?
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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2018, 09:55 AM »
I must be an idiot, I bought the Leigh insert, but when I center it the flat head screws that comes with the Festool router pull it off center when I tighten them.  I need some sort of small low profile pan head screw with a really narrow flat head to keep it centered.

I use the panhead screws that came with the Leigh 704R adapter and they work fine.  The screws that come with the Festool adapter are flat-headed and have conical seats, and WILL make the 704R misalign.

Mine didn't come with screws....

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2018, 09:58 AM »
Called Festool and they said I either have to machine the plate to allow it to be centered or ship everything in for service.

Perhaps you could file a small amount off the plate as it's outer edge has no keying requirement with the router. Or, you could drill the countersink a little deeper or enlarge the screw hole by 1 mm in order to give a bit more wiggle room.

If you have the engineering capability you could drill new holes in the plate but that might be tricky.

Peter

This might be a good solution for the Festool adapter ring, since it sits too tight within the router base to allow for any adjustment for centering. The Festool adapter ring (at least the one I have on my old OF1010) has two (2) sets of mounting screw holes -- one set of holes is countersunk, while the other set of holes has been counterbored (flat bottomed) -- so, you would need some pan-headed mounting screws in the counterbored holes  in order to center the adapter ring.

Wouldn't/Shouldn't this work?

I altered it a little with a needle file.

This all seems like too much effort and aftermarket parts just to center a darn bushing.  Festool's answer was really disappointing "Yeah there is no way to center the adapter ring without modifying the plate"  Thanks, I'm glad I bought this crooked- 600 dollar router.

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2018, 10:47 AM »
In my Workshop Notes video it should be clear that the Leigh Guide bush plate (704R) has room for adjustment and that is easy to do. The Festool copying rings are the same fit and Festool sell the centring mandrel for this task. Perhaps the guy at Festool (Canada I assume) got it wrong.

Peter

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2018, 11:16 AM »
Maybe I'm not understanding the problem correctly, however the Lee Valley 704R adapter has counterbored mounting holes so it needs to use pan head screws for it to work correctly.

In a similar fashion, the Festool 1010 copy rings/templates also have counterbored mounting holes so they also need pan head screws for proper adjustment.


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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2018, 01:51 PM »
I altered it a little with a needle file.

This all seems like too much effort and aftermarket parts just to center a darn bushing.  Festool's answer was really disappointing "Yeah there is no way to center the adapter ring without modifying the plate"  Thanks, I'm glad I bought this crooked- 600 dollar router.

So, did you alter it enough to properly center the adapter ring? And, isn't the only additional items you need to purchase is the Festool centering mandrel and a couple of pan-head screws?
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: Router Guide Bushings on OF1010
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2018, 11:47 AM »
In my Workshop Notes video it should be clear that the Leigh Guide bush plate (704R) has room for adjustment and that is easy to do. The Festool copying rings are the same fit and Festool sell the centring mandrel for this task. Perhaps the guy at Festool (Canada I assume) got it wrong.

Peter

I bought the Festool mandrel, I could really use a very low profile pan head screw to help mount the Leigh guide bushing adapter.